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Likud: Lapid's condition – no haredim
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 28.02.13, 20:21
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31. ORA
Mordechai ,   Beit Shemesh   (03.01.13)
you remind me of King Canute or those who said that Galileo was a heretic. Everyday new scientifically provable data becomes available that shows the absurdity of the ordained, One day you will pull your head out of the sand...Blind Faith is an insult to our intelligence. You write as if there is a balance, you make one point and Sagi makes another, as if both have equal validity, but the truth is they don't and it cannot be. Both cannot be right! You write as if that is so and use it as a means to be able to influence readers, fortunately they are not that stupid. But keep writing, the more you do the more people will see the truth and instead of bring them to where you want them to be, they will understand that the power is in solely in their hands and no one person or idea can impose themselves on them. i know it is hard to accept the obvious, we all would like to think we are special but simply put we are not, we are just an occurrence of nature.
32. #29 Wrong Sagi
Keren ,   IL-BR   (02.28.13)
Israel is and has been Jewish and "Democratic".Both. It is so because its People are so and will always be so. ps: I used inverted comma in Democratic because perhaps if we take that concept literally,you might be right,but for us Jews Democracy can mean what it has been meaning:a possibility of discussion between many "truths" with the goal to reach ONE Truth. For us,Democracy can be a mean not and end.
33. # 26 ORA Response
Sagi   (03.01.13)
I agree with you 100%. People must be judged by the good and the bad, the seculars have lot of bad things going for them. Unfortunately I, because of my world view, cannot find anything positive in Harediism, ergo, I emphasize that which I do find. Religion to me, in any shape or form, is abhorrent, when it takes extreme forms then it is quite simply disgusting. Religion is self inflicted slavery and its main claim to fame is poisoned minds which have caused death and suffering in humanity on a scale of magnitude incomprehensible to the mind of a normal human being. Religion is the bane of Mankind.
34. 31 Mordechai,"People will see the ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (03.01.13)
truth" Which truth? The one they sacrify to their comfort and advantage?
35. A Thougt of a Goy.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (03.01.13)
I think the Israeli PM should leave those two Parties out in the cold. Let them form and take responsibility for a new Government with thePeace-Leftists, to the Future Peril of Israel. Arn.Sweden.
36. #33 religion is the bane of mankind?
dirty shirt ,   usa   (03.01.13)
Have a look at the twentieth century, the most destructive 100 years in the history of mankind. World war 1 - close to thirty million casualties, because of religion? World war 2 - seventy million people died, all because of religion? Joseph Stalin - responsible for the deaths of 8-16 million souls - were his motives religious? Pol Pot killed 25% of Cambodians due to their religion? I would argue that the most destructive force in this world is socialist secularism.
37. 33 Sagi You are entitled to your...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (03.01.13)
opinions,but it is hard to discuss when emotions are stronger than reason. Israel s problem is not religion but ignorance,greed and love of power.
38. #20 Are you kidding?
Yaara ,   Israel   (03.01.13)
Is Arie Derri who served prison sentence the best representation Haredim have? Is Derri the keeper of Jewish values? If yes, so they are not values I have chosen and admired when I decided to convert to Judaism.
39. haredim
john ,   toronto   (03.01.13)
Haredim need not worry . I am sure those that those who study Torah will be protected by it. The rift was bound to happen and it is better to be in the opposition than be part of the ruling party.
40. #38 Yaara,so ,what are you going to do now?
Keren ,   IL-BR   (03.01.13)
Haredim´s fault in your case was to give you a conversion without you being convinced and prepared to be a convert to Judaism. *That´s* their BIG mistake! I wish you can withdraw your conversion.Please,do it quickly for your own and our sake!Do it now! RUSH!
41. # 36 Response
Sagi   (03.01.13)
You are of course correct, but even these numbers are a mere drop in the ocean compared to the death and suffereing throughout the entire course of history. There are also complete parallels between religion and non religious ideology, such as Communism, "our way is the best and the only way, we shall force it on the world". Islam, accept or die. Christianity in the Middle Ages claimed untold millions during the extended period of Reformation and counter Reformation. I could go on and on and I could go into details and numbers. I stand by my words that religion is the bane of Mankind, it is illogical, unreasonable and detrimental to sanity.
42. # 37 ORA response
Sagi   (03.01.13)
My emotions never run high, I am one of the most level headed, reasonable, logical and pragmatic persons that you could ever wish to meet. Everything I do or say is well thought out aforehand, I judge people by their words and actions only, never by their emotions.
43. #42 That´s the root of your problem!
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44. # 36 Response
Sagi   (03.01.13)
During the 14th and 15th centuries Spain, in the form of the Conquistadores, not only claimed the lives of millions, but actually exterminated whole societies and engaged in what today is termed genocide. This was all done "in the name of the cross". When a Spanish ship anchored by the shore of a new land or island the first to disembark, and place foot on the land was the priest carrying a huge wooden cross. Catholicism today rules over and controls the minds of millions and millions of poor and desperate humans who are told to pray and believe in the Trinity and a better day will come. This is a sad reflection on humanity, both the shepherd and the flock are pitifull. The Haredim are trying to emulate this, albeit in minor proportions, but the ideology is the same and the results are amazingly similar.
45. Lapid
Brod ,   USA   (03.01.13)
Lapid needs to be a team player and not discriminate against fellow Jews.
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