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'Merkel robbing Holocaust survivors'
Eldad Beck
Published: 22.03.13, 12:51
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1. Germany robbed Austrian Jews who owned real estate in East G
Elly ,   Vienna, Austria   (03.22.13)
Germany robbed Austrian Jews who owned real estate in East Germany by using a law as an excuse. Typical hypocrites.
2. German Compensation
Ariye ,   Mata, ISRAEL   (03.22.13)
Maggie Thatcher was correct. When the wall fell dividing Germany, she said:"We beat them twice and now they are back." Whether it is Cyprus or making what small redress that can be made for their unspeakable holocaust, THEY ARE BACK - with a vengeance!
3. The idea was stupid from the beginning
I ,   Germany   (03.22.13)
The idea to "compensate" ghetto-workers with money out of the German pension system was nuts from day one. The problem is, that the money we are talking about are "normal" pensions, meaning that they have to be the result of ordinary work done by peoples own choice: no forced labour. But how on earth can someone prove, 70 years later, that the work was voluntary. The result is, that the German pension system has rejected 90% of all applications, probably rightfully, claiming that they don't believe that the work was done by people's own choice. But wasn't that clear from the beginning? Could there be "voluntary" work in a German ghetto? The German government is able to provide (=burn) BILLIONS of Euros to save criminal banks - all within days, but here they need years and years to pay, if at all, a few hundred millions. This is really shameful. Pay the ghetto-workers, like other survivors, with tax-money, which is way easier to get and to handle - no complicated and bureaucratic pensions.
4. Compensation to holocaust survivors
Arnold ,   Canada   (03.22.13)
My mother-in-law passed away in January. She had been receiving a slave labor pension for many years. All the survivors are now in their late 80's and 90's and are dying at a quick rate. Each one that dies means less money being paid out. Within a few years there will be noone left and the money will stay in Germany. Till then do not look to screw over the remaining survivors.
5. SIMPLE LOGIC !
Patrick A. Hammel ,   zermatt,switzerland   (03.22.13)
If a factory worker who gets paid once a month dies of natural causes on the 18 th. day of the month, does the factory not pay out to the relatives of the deceased person? Germany and all other countries who helped them exterminate European Jewry need to return looted property and belongings to the rightfull heirs of the victims ! Also the term of "wiedergutmachung" ought to be banned as to this day and until the end of times no amount of money the perpetrators states will pay will compensate for the life of one single child they murdered ! Germany and Austria will need to dig deep in their pockets to deserve some respect for the horror and agravation they subjected on innocent people whether they happen to be Jewish or not !!!!!!!!!!!!!
6. To: Ariye at No. 2
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.22.13)
A unified Germany has presented the greatest threat to civilization until the fundamentalist Iranians came along. Bismarck unified Germany in 1870, and we had the Franco-Prussian War, along with the Paris Commune. Of course there was the Kaiser and World War I. Now, Germany is unified again -- remember Roosevelt's and Churchill's dire warnings to never allow that to happen -- and is the backbone of the dead broke European Union. I wonder what will happen when Germany decides it has grown tired of supporting all those bankrupt European nations. Nothing good, I'm sure.
7. To: No. 3
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.22.13)
Well, German and Swiss insurance companies -- Winterthur, for example -- have consistently refused to honor fully paid-up whole life policies taken out by desperate Jews in Europe prior to the war. The reason given is that the survivors cannot produce a certified death certificate. Well, Auschwitz, Dachau, Belsen, Mathausen, et cetera, et cetera ad nauseum simply weren't in the habit of issuing them. It's estimated that were Germany to honor these insurance policies, with interest and penalties accruing since 1945, the number would run to the trillions of dollars. And let us not forget all the artwork hanging in German museums that were the private property of Jewish families, who have documented provenance. I guess there is no end to German deceit and theft. Yours is one truly despicable country.
8. moneu
john ,   toronto   (03.22.13)
Money is not everything. This treatment makes me want to vent my anger also.When Europe has money for lots of things but lacks money to pay those from whom they have taken everything .But i hope those who deserve it get compensation.
9. #2
David   (03.22.13)
Your comments are racist, hateful, anti-non-semitic. We need laws to begin protecting non-Jews from such blood libel.
10. Germany has not changed and will never change
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.22.13)
Germany has killed 6 million Jews and stolen Jewish propterty (real estate, furnitures, factories, shops, businesses, private homes, mansions, insurances, jewelry, bank accounts etc) at a total estimated value of 300-400 BILLION US DOLLARS! And the shameful Germans just pay back a small fraction of the money and they think they have "repaid" their moral and financial debt? Too bad the USA didn't carpet bomb every square inch of Germany with nukes in 1945. A Europe and a world without 80 million Germans would be a good beginning for a better world - a world that is inherently more moral and human and less German. To the Germans: you can never pay back your debt to the Jewish people. Even if you would pay us in cash 300-400 BILLION US DOLLARS (which is your debt to us in terms of the value of the Jewish property which you have stolen) and serve the money on a silver platter, you still can't bring 6 million Jews back to life. It's a shame and a moral debt and guilt that will haunt the Germans for eternity - if you can live with that shame. Another alternative is of course for the German people to commit collective national suicide which of course would be preferable.
11. I knew them
ex oleh chadash. ,   ברזיל   (03.22.13)
I knew some survivors when I was a young. Most of them were poor, most of them never recovered from that big trauma; some people even committed suicide. My family never got a penny from Germany. All ancestors in Poland perished in the Shoah.
12. #9
Ariye ,   Mata   (03.22.13)
"History is philosophy from examples." Dionysius of Halicarnassus. (30 -7 BCE). He was right then and he is right now. Not so Angela?
13. #7 #10 Unfortunately "justice" is impossible
I ,   Germany   (03.22.13)
It is impossible for Germany to pay for its crimes. But the same is true for many other countries. Did the US ever compensate the work of African slaves? What if the US would compensate their descendants? Not even Ben Bernanke could print money that fast. What if Spain would give the people of South America their gold back? If Belgium would compensate Congo? The list is endless... Germany at least is doing something, while many others only think how moral they are - but they aren't, some not even a tiny bit.
14. also, take a look
ha-ex-oleh chadash. ,   Brazil   (03.22.13)
at kilims and carpets at her office...
15. SHAME on you Merkel !
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (03.22.13)
16. just the facts
y-man ,   budapest   (03.22.13)
The German government still pays much more to my mother, who is over 90, than the Hungarian.
17. # Alexander
ex oleh chadash. ,   Brazil   (03.22.13)
I believe people killed by Germans were much more than 6 millions. Why do I suppose that? I did some genealogical research in Lublin archives. Someone helped me, I don't speak Polish. I found names of people that bear witness of births... I could see their names in some relatives births certificates - where are they? Their names and identity were erased forever. No survivors. Their names are not at Yad Vashem database as well. So, I believe it's necessary a big, a very big research in the Polish archives. It will cost money, and depends on Polish authorities goodwill. I believe, more than 6 millions perished.
18. 17 Two million victims without identity
(03.22.13)
are already included in the 6 million, because only 4m Jews were identified until now.
19. Damn
We read Ynet also ,   Slave Belt Alabama   (03.22.13)
Wish we Black Americans descendants of slaves could get paid by the Jews(no pun) who profiteered off of our ancestors slave labor, destroying, traumatizing and splitting up families. 1700's American Jews congrajulate George Washington on his presidency, a founder father and owner of hundreds of slaves. Yes Jews are blessed to get compensated for their misfortunes and escape the wrath of he who has said Genesis 15:14 "And that Nation That They Serve I will Punish",,, Jews are some lucky people Gremany has paid and paid and paid,,,,,,,,,,,paid.
20. Response to #6
Ariye ,   Mata, ISRAEL   (03.22.13)
Agree with everything you say, but would substiute "together with," instead of "until."
21. #10 - Simple queation,...
split ,   US   (03.23.13)
Who invited you there ? ,...
22. To: Ariye at No. 20
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.23.13)
I'll take that substitution. Thank you!
23. To: No. 18
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.23.13)
Actually, it is six million that have been identified through German-kept records. The true number of Jewish victims is decidedly higher, because entire families and towns fell victim to the Einsatzgruppen, who did not keep records. No one was left to list their names. Some scholars and historians estimate the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis and their willing assistants in other countries to number closer to nine, possibly even ten million. "Six million" has become the term of convenience. The true death toll among the Jewish people is much, much higher. But -- permit me something along the lines of an anecdote. There is a lovely Cambodian gentleman who cleans the windows (inside and out) of my apartment in New York City every other week. He hates using a safety harness, preferring to simply step out onto the ledge and, holding on with one hand, does his thing. My building actually prohibits that, but I don't like the job that the persons hired by the building do, so I eschew it, and hire my own. His wry comment to me once was along the lines of -- above the fourth floor, it really doesn't matter how high you are. And he really does a beautiful job, which is why I generally tip him 150 percent. So, I would say -- above six million? Does it really matter?
24. Going to some details ,...
split ,   US   (03.23.13)
Are the Judenrat members (no one forced them, they elected themselves) ghetto police (selected by Judenrat) snitches, collaborators, pimps, hookers, dope/booze peddlers all kind of shady characters profiteering of misery, are eligible too? Who will decide who gets it and how much? ,... Why do you insist on certain amount of money to be paid (to whom?) for a approx. number you have provided and strongly oppose on case by case compensation ?,.. The Germans have paid over $60 billions in compensations, where's the money and why are the survivors living in poverty, who robbed them?
25. Have any jew ever compensated an Palestian? Never!
(03.23.13)
26. To: No. 24
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.24.13)
The war ended in 1945, and reparations are payable to the survivor for life. Those reparations are not restricted to Jewish survivors. The Germans are also forced to pay reparations to Poles, Russians, French, Dutch, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukrainians and Norwegians. If anything, Jews receive the smallest of pittance. Why are Jews living in poverty while Poles have been able to purchase large homes and live quite nicely. They were slave labor -- they were treated well. In the months leading up to my mother's death, we hired a Polish (non-Jewish) person to look after her. Her name was Danuta. Danuta was inordinately proud of the fact that her father had been a laborer in a camp called Mielec and her mother had been in Ravensbruck -- each for only a few short months. They collected, respectively, upwards of 600 DM a month since 1949! That's who stole the money, pinhead.
27. #26 Complete nonsense
I ,   Germany   (03.24.13)
All German reparations to countries behind the Iron Curtain ended August 1953, after the Soviet Union declared so. Besides this, you have an idea how much money 600DM in 1949 was? Almost US$ 3000 today.
28. Sarah @ 23 ,...
split ,   US   (03.24.13)
"Actually, it is six million that have been identified through German-kept records" -,... Crap!!! This number was used and abused already during WWI by Jewish agencies and again shortly after WWII despite that Germany's holocaust archives were closed to research until April 2006. The number of Yad Vashem verified Jewish victims prior to that fact is around 3.2 million and despite of an access for last 7 years to German records the number haven't changed. The only grain of truth in your statement is than nobody knew what was their real number because no one knew their real number dwelling anywhere, because they didn't participate in censuses and don't participate today, didn't/don't share their birth and death records with an authorities and when cornered they lie (for details on this subject look in Solzhenitsyn's book '200 years together'. More crap with your window washer story, ignoring a fact that only an idiot in NYC washes his/her window outside every other week, your landlord wouldn't allow or tolerate this crap due to liability in case of an accident knowing that NY ambulance chasers (your homies by the way) are waiting for this kind of accident to happen and strip you off of what you own ,...
29. Satah @ 26
split ,   US   (03.24.13)
You're full of hot air those you listed from commie countries got one time chump change compensation in early '70's minus administrative cost deducted by government most of them got nothing like my mom in Poland or her sister in US that was working for bauer's family during the war,... Jewish forced labour workers are getting compensated as survivors, now they want more on the top of it because they were forced to work. I'm asking again where's that $60 billions the Germans paid in compensations and why are the survivors living in poverty, who robbed them? ,...
30. More to 28 ,...
split ,   US   (03.24.13)
"The number of Yad Vashem verified Jewish victims prior to that fact is around 3.2 million' - No independent research ever verified and confirmed this number due to lack of access to Yah Vashem records ,...
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