US cool on Turkish PM plans to visit Gaza
Published: 28.03.13, 00:00
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1. The time has come.
American ,   Los Angeles   (03.28.13)
for the civilized world to press the jihadist turks on the ocupation of Cyprus, Armenian Genocide ,the kurds et.c. For people like erDOG and ahMAD only stick works, forget the carrot.
2. establishing credentials
yaacovic   (03.28.13)
Erdogan, you agreed to establish relations with Israel. If you want to establish your credentials why not include a stop over in Jerusalem?
3. Yet another Obama intervention
Tambour ,   Eilat   (03.28.13)
To make Bibi apologise, and now Erdogan's batteries have been fully recharged , he is not sure if that is enough, wants to visit Gaza, Obama; Please do the decent thing Go please yourself. better than meddling for trouble.
4. Obama's little friend
Cipora Julianna Kohn ,   Z   (03.28.13)
sly obama's little friend way yonder in turkey is just as sly and just as manipulative as is emperor obama. of course, it is quite possible that obama does not care one bit if the little islamist does go to gaza. let's see just how much in fact obama protests and more importantly how much influence he has.
5. Turkey ought take Refugees
Zechariah   (03.28.13)
Turkey is a perfect islamic country to take in two million refugees of Palestinian origin instead of provoking with jihadi ships.AeroTurkey ought to have taken a million Gazans by now for temporary refuge .
6. Oh heck! He is organizing his own flotilla!!!!
Harry Wright ,   UK   (03.28.13)
Plus, Qatar will give him a billion to take as a gift. He can't very well go empty handed because Hamas likes its visitors to walk with cash. The zoo has to be maintained and expired medicine just will not do the job.
7. my take
muslimrevert   (03.28.13)
How about, for exchange that jews have israel, USA gives upper michigan peninsula to arabs and muslims as a separate state. Israel can have jordan, syria and more, for that exchange. I think Its a good deal.
8. Jerkodan
dony ,   canada   (03.28.13)
This Jerk never misses an opportunity to elicit the big "L" on his forehead.
9. Has Obama chastised Erdogan for reneging on reconciliation?
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (03.28.13)
I know, it's a rhetorical question. Erdogan is Obama's BFF, and lynchpin of his strategy for dealing with Syria. He won't upbraid him for making Obama look bad - brokering a deal between Israel and Turkey that Erdogan is now walking back. No one but Israel heeds Obama's entreaties, because they know they'll pay no price for telling him "No". They know they can get away with anything.
10. #1
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (03.28.13)
You are right. But you have to add Zionist thieves of land into that group.
11. The Turk coming by air or fleet?
Cameron ,   USA   (03.28.13)
12. slowly but.....
tiki ,   belgium   (03.28.13)
Erdogan is digging his own grave! This Turkish megalomaniac flip flop doesn't get a foothold in the West, but neither in the Arab world, so as a 'helper of last resort Hamas must do the trick to help him make his dream (reclaiming of the Turkish empire with him as the emperor) come true. He doesn't understand he's done and his 'role of last resort will be finding a ladder to climb down the tree.
13. To: Harry at No. 6
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.28.13)
Oh, my! He surely is organizing his own flotilla .... all together, now: "Row, row, row your boat ...."
14. Israes must recognize Gaza
Keren IL-BR   (03.28.13)
as a sovereign state. Keeping the border occupation is not good for the country standing. If we recognize Gaza as an independent State we can act and react to their aggression as any normal country and within the international law. I will never understand why it is so difficult to the Government do that. By recognizing Gaza we finish off our envolviment with the Palestinians there and create a huge problem for the Palestinians in the West Bank...
15. For once ....
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.28.13)
.... I agree with the troll at No. 14. Recognize Gaza as an independent entity -- while failing to recognize the terrorist elements that govern it. No more free electricity from Israel. No more free fresh water from Israel. No more hundreds of thousands of metric tons of free food and other free humanitarian aid trucked into Gaza on a weekly basis from Israel. No more full access to free Israeli medical care. And, as a hostile state -- guess what happens if so much as one missile is fired from Gaza at Israel? Of course, the fledgling state of Gaza cannot depend upon any country that considers Hamas to be a terrorist organization -- and that would be every country in the West. Still, won't it be fun to watch all those Arab states making the really big promises actually fork over some cash .... for once. Of course, the leadership of Gaza is not interested in building hospitals, schools, an infrastructure, power plants or anything that a genuine state would care about. They are interested exclusively in padding their own offshore bank accounts and acquiring real property in Europe through dummy and shell corporations. Won't work -- you cannot move massive amounts of money without coming up on the radar -- but that's for them to find out. Good luck moving weapons without coming up on Israel's radar. Oh, my! I can hardly wait! Please pass the macaroons.
16. You're Right!!
A Jew ,   Jerusalem   (03.28.13)
Exactly. Gaza can then be destroyed if it attacks Israel. Divide the Palestinians on the West Bank from Gazans.
17. Time Israel to support a Kurdish state?
Johnny ,   TA, Israel   (03.28.13)
And acknowledge the Armenian Holocaust too. We should have done that a long time ago
18. Does that include recognizing Hamas as legitimate?
Johnny ,   TA, Israel   (03.28.13)
Maybe you are not aware that under Hamas rule over 12,000 rockets have been fired on Israel from Gaza Time to take your head out of the sand
19. 15 Sarah B, beware
Cipora Julianna Kohn ,   Z   (03.28.13)
of greeks bearing gifts. gaza is not occupied. gaza has not asked for recognition since the gazastan wants to have a unified state declared. the situation of Israel would not change. at every war, including against a sovereign such as lebanon, there will be sqeels of outrage. the troll is just that-a troll and does not mean well.
20. Drunk with glory?
Tim ,   Brighton   (03.28.13)
Erdogan really needs to cool down and a quiet period of reflection on both sides needed The idea that this stuttering start to normalcy could have all been an Erdogan somehow try to 'get one over on Israel', to bolster Hamas still in a de facto State of War with Israel and for some macho PR for home consumption rather than serious diplomacy to try to stabilise an already destabilised regions...poses all sorts of questions about Erdogans widely suspected poor mental health and state of mind And after this initial optimism..I had been waiting for Erdogans long awaited announcement that Israelis and Jewish Tourists were now welcomed back to Turkey after announcing we were not welcome...looks as if my visit to Turkey will have to wait a little bit longer
21. #18 yes
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (03.28.13)
First, yes. Hamas is a part of the Brotherhood, a racist genocidal Islamic supremacist organization. In a just world, Hamas and the Brotherhood would be condemned. In reality, the Obama doctrine supports Brotherhood leadership in Egypt and Turkey. Israel should accept reality. No less important, is that the biggest mistake Israel made in Oslo was agreeing that the PLO/Fatah was the legitimate representative of the Arabs, despite the fact that most Arabs prefer either Hamas or local leaders to the corrupt and violent Fatah. Instead of protecting Fatah, Israel should stand aside and let Hamas eliminate Fatah.
22. #13 Sarah. Let's see how many he will get to join...
Harry Wright ,   UK   (03.28.13)
his flotilla. Hamas is up for sale to the highest bidder. A few Brinks trucks loaded to capacity will do the trick. Qatar and Turkey must be the best suitors ever for the Fakestinians' attention. Money will flow like a dose of salts through the bowels or at the very least, promises of it. Best time to make a move is now, when the other suitors are busily engaged in other matters, like a Syrian civil war.
23. To: Cipora at No. 19
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.28.13)
Oh, I know. Gaza has not asked for recognition not so much because they want a "unified state" (remember East and West Pakistan? Chuckle.) They have not asked for recognition because they would no longer be able to schnorr funds from anyone. Sovereign states actually have to enter into contracts, treaties and foreign aid agreements -- which the countries that take such agreements seriously would never do because they all have laws against terrorism and financial transactions with terrorist entities. Every country that matters considers Hamas a terrorist organization. Anything that Israel does is subject to squeals of outrage. That's why I no longer listen or care.
24. Turkey, US's only true ally in ME
USSLiberty   (03.28.13)
25. To: Harry at No. 22
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.28.13)
Qatar and Turkey enjoy a unique position -- Qatar is loaded to the gills with U.S. army and air force bases, and the Fifth Fleet is close enough to add naval protection. Turkey is a member of NATO (at least for a while). It's easy to talk big when you've got bench strength. But Erdogan is a complete lunatic, as most Turks candidly acknowledge.
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