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Diaspora Report 2013: Jews of Greece versus Neo-Nazis
Tali Farkash
Published: 31.03.13, 13:14
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1. In the country of Mikis Theodorakis
tiki ,   belgium   (03.31.13)
There are many like him, the born again anti Semites crawling out of their wholes, blaming Jews again for their own failures & misfortunes and not their own stupidity & corrupt mentality.
2. Such a beautiful city in such a beautiful country with
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv/israel   (03.31.13)
so much sadness embedded .
3. If Greece is so dangerous to Jews
Eric R. ,   USA   (03.31.13)
Why are Israelis visiting it in record numbers? Besides, why isn't Ynet worried about the equally troublesome Jew-hatred on Greece's far left?
4. Jews can never trust the "Government"
k ,   US   (03.31.13)
Jews can only trust themselves I am not sure if you are able to own a gun in Greece, but if you can I would make sure you have a couple, and if things get bad, you know what to do Jews can never live in places you can never own a gun, and then Jews can never go off quietly when they decide to round you up again
5. The essence of antisemitism
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (03.31.13)
is blaming the jews for others' mistakes and errors. Greeks, like hungarians are responsible themselves for economic difficulties. They are not enough innovative, hard working and talent related to other nations. Especially in Greece I suggest the cut of siesta time 2 hours daily instead of 6.
6. Support
Joe Mevorah ,   Lincoln, U.S.A.   (04.01.13)
I admire the courage of the Greek Jews and their neighbors. However, the best solution, in my opinion, is to leave Greece and relocate to Israel, or the U.S. The Greeks will always have their Golden Dawn's attitudes today and in the future. Either way, Jews in Greece will be targets.
7. #3.Eric: Mystery of our time
Tom W ,   USA   (04.01.13)
Neo-nazi and extreme neo-fascist antisemitism afflict a minuscule segment of any given society. In fact openly nazi political parties are banned just about anywhere in the West. The leftist antisemitism is open and wide spread, - its most virulent form is emanating from the self-loathing leftist Jews - yet this mortal threat doesn't bother the Jewish establishment. Manifestation of hostility is regularity presented in the leftist media, - Israeli's included - but it's almost "welcomed" as "friendly criticism": it's overlooked, ignored and condoned by followers of Marx. There is no logical explanation to it only pathological: it's the result of moral distortion caused by 2000 years of ghetto life.
8.  "Jerusalem of the Balkans," ,...
split ,   US   (04.01.13)
You mean Mea Shearim of Balkans - Same crap everywhere, invading some one's country, imposing their lifestyle and customs and surprised that others don't like it. If someone allowed you to stay under his/her roof assimilate and blend in or get the hell out. No one invited you there to start with. By the way there were no Polish concentration camps (pinhead) those were German camps in occupied Poland. Forgot to mention Jewish conduct during Ottoman occupation, their 'contribution' in establishing the hated communist party that triggered Greek Civil War, the price the Greeks paid as a result of it, who was the founding father or the brass in central/regional committees and where they were getting their marching orders from,...
9. There is an asset
Raphael ,   Netanya   (04.01.13)
Against antisemitism instigated by the greek orthodox church: the immense properties owned in Israel (including the landspot on which the Knesset is built). It could be seized, or at least, pay arnona.
10. Greece misrepresented in media as anti-Semitic
Paul ,   New York City USA   (04.01.13)
What do you mean "the Greeks will always have their Golden Dawn's attitudes today and in the future?" Golden Dawn represents a tiny percentage of Greeks, who suffered terribly as the first country in Europe to stand up to fascism during WW2. Stop trying to portray Greece--the entire country and population-- as a pit of anti-Semitism, because it is simply not true.
11. Case in point...
Paul ,   New York City USA   (04.01.13)
...and to my point, I just found this article on the April 1 online edition of Kathimerini: "Islanders reject Golden Dawn's free food distribution" http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_01/04/2013_491215
12. 8
(04.02.13)
DOESN'T YOUR FIRST PARAGRAPH TYPICAL OF MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE THEY MIGRATE TO? they refuse to assimilate. they demand sharia courts. they are violent when not getting their way. they murder those that insult islam in any way. they marry more than one wife which is illegal in the west. they honor kill their kids. they stand on street corners yelling "death to the queen" in london. they live in restricted "no passing" zone ghettos in any major european city. they demand the locals make way for them to pray on streets un mass which inconveniences traffic and passages, not to mention taking off their shoes which stinks paris to high heaven. they demonstrate, often violently, when not getting their way and accomplish all via intimidation and fear. they do not produce anything in the societies into which they migrate. on the contrary, they syphon free aid and free medical care and food stamps from the government and are basically a supported people. they bring no education or skills with them into any western country. on the contrary, many of them are illiterates and primitive. they often bomb tunnels, city corners and subways and attempt hijacking of planes in the air. now, compare that with what jews bring to any country they live in and do cry loud and clear for your muslim brothers in europe. and you complain about jews? my god!
13. Dear Paul
Joe Mevorah ,   Lincoln, U.S.A.   (04.02.13)
I'm not impressed by your response. My parents were part of the 3 percent who survived the roundup of Salonika's Jews. Only to be turned in to the Nazis for a loaf of bread. This was not an isolated incident. It happened often. Golden Dawn is just another example of an anti-semitic country who favor all Arab causes. Never Again!!!!!
14. The tradition of beating off anti-Semitism will prevail.
Michael ,   California, USA   (04.02.13)
The Jews of Thessaloniki have nothing to fear as long as the Ultra Orthodox don't start to claim some special privileges to "chosen people." They were smart to know in the past that they have not been "chosen" and they know it now, so there is nothing for Greek Jews to worry about. This article should have pointed this out, even if Zionists don't like to hear it in Israel.
15. Dear Joe...
Paul ,   New York City, USA   (04.02.13)
Dear Joe, I'm not an apologist for the Greek people as they don't need one, nor am I defending Golden Dawn as you infer, but if you feel you must judge an entire race based on what you claim happened, then I am not impressed with your response, either.
16. 15
(04.02.13)
but here is the crunch, sir, none of the german public or french or austrian public were nazis before hitler came to power. through a small nationalist party, the nazi as they were called, it became a big party, a huge party, with its own propaganda. from something small, it became huge and its main ideology was the destruction of the jews and killing millions of innocents. slowly many germans, austrians, french, and european citizens veared towards nazism and supported hitler's ideologies. it started small, like this greek antisemitic party, and turned out huge, consumating in he murder of millions of jews and millions of non jews. you see what i mean? there is room for jews to fear because it stinks of 1938. it always starts small and turns into a huge tragedy. so, of course the jews will be concerned with this kind of neo nazi party. look what happened to europe in late 30's and early 40's and draw your own conclusion. sometimes hate starts with a small seed and develops into the worst world nightmare as it did with the nazis. so, you are wrong , and i am not impressed with your response. hameed aboughaze, iranian
17. 14
(04.02.13)
you are so full of crap, it is astounding. no hassid claims in the society in which they live to be "chosen". this world, often used by antisemites like yourself is passee!
19. 12 - Read the headline and save your breath,...
split ,   US   (04.02.13)
It''s about the Jews and Neo-Nazis if you happen to miss it or too stupid to read the article and stay on the subject ,...
20. If the anti-semitism gets bad enough..
Dave ,   Montreal, Canada   (04.02.13)
Israel should break off relations with Greece and consider rescue operations to remove the Jews from Greece. Never again.
21. 19
(04.02.13)
i am simply educating you. you seem to need lots of education from anyone and everyone. calling me names won't change the fact that you are totally ignorant and totally inane. however, if you want to continue to vent your anger here, be my guest, it is a comedy show nonetheless so we all have a chance to be entertained by your "pearls of wisdom". it takes an idiot to call another an idiot. do you know that? in psychiatry, it is called PROJECTION. next....i can't wait for your next entertaining post. the angrier you get, the more enjoyment we all get because we know how to work you and rile you up. you fall for it each and every time and this shows what a fool you are. next, if you have nothing of value to add to a topic, please spare us the pain of reading your inane comments.
22. 21 - More crap and mudding the pond - Get a life!.
split ,   US   (04.03.13)
23. 16.
Paul ,   New York City, USA   (04.05.13)
So using your logic, as an Iranian you must also be hell-bent on Israel's destruction, because all Iranians are anti-Semitic like their esteemed leaders, right? Just like ALL the "Germans, Austrians, French, and European citizens 'veared' towards Nazism..." Idiot.
24. Antihellenism
Demetri ,   Greece   (06.18.13)
The holocaust was truly terrible but the lesson to be learned from it isn't only about the injustice to Jews but to any group that faces ethnic extinction due to the hostile acts of other groups. If one want to understand the reasons why there has been an increase in xenophobia in Greece it goes far beyond economics to a sense many Greeks have that some other groups are literally trying to ethnically delete Greeks. The evidence for this: 1. Economic squeeze tactics that has left our country in shambles. Greece is admittedly to blame for overspending but other countries have committed far far worse and let off far easier. b. Framing masses of illegals flooding our country as "immigrants" is very offensive. I do not believe most Jews would appreciate foreigners that wholesale disrespect Israeli borders. (and that's with far fewer illegals per capita than Greece). Greeks are no different, c. The Macedonia name dispute. Ancient Macedonians were Greeks not Slavic. Even ancient Jewish works make clear they were Greeks not Slavic. Which begs the question why do so many people reference the former Yugoslavians as "Macedonians"? To make matters worse the former Yugoslavians have have turned into descendents of "ancient Macedonians" right before everyone's eyes and people pretend not to notice? Very real anti-Hellenism appears to be a serious problem not only among some Jews but much of the world these days thus some Greeks have responded with similar hostility back to other groups.. A wrong does not make a wrong right though. It only makes for two wrongs. Both antihellenic and antisemetic elements must be called out. For it to work though,it can't only one side crying racism while staying blind to the racism of some in its own group.
25. Dear Dimitris -- Antihellenism?
Alfredo ,   Raanana   (09.16.13)
I am a Greek Jew who survived the Holocaust in Athens. It is unfair to consider Greeks antisemitic. Yet you know that often Jews are referred to as "Ovraii". In Karagiozi which used to be popular entertainment a main character disgustingly portrayed is the Ovreos. A common name for Jews is also "Tsifouti" = Stingy. EVERY Jew in Greece has been asked more than once "Why did you kill Christ?" -- often in a hostile way. As long as such examples permeate popular Greek culture some/many people will consider Greece as antisemitic. To their credit Greeks are also hospitable and Israelis are usually welcomed as foreign visitors. Many educated Greeks admire Jewish and even Israeli achievements. All this is part of the complicated picture of two historically very important people. Greeks and Jews provided the foundation of Western civilization -- so let us respect and better understand each other.
26. Don't blame the Greeeks for antisemitism
Dave de la rond ,   La paz,Bolivia   (03.24.14)
It's in their blood,it's passed from father to son,it's passed by their priests who still live in the 15th century,it's passed by the Greek orthodox Church where their priests spew hate and deception to their members day in day out.
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