is that the lead rabbi cannot be terminated for stupidity, and his followers cannot exercise good critical judgment and common sense that G-d have them at birth. This is the most effective cult in the world, and I do not say that as a compliment.

Monroe- this criminal sect-org, and german-doing-lover will once end up like Monroe...! By the way: did someone look, if he is filled up with drugs like her, always or when speaking to public and audience ?!

In the US they are also known for tax fraud, welfare fraud, fraud on the school system, fraud on the state and federal governments, sexual molestation, covering up the acts of sexual molesters and fighting among themselves over inheritance. They are an anti-semitism creation machine. So the Satmar do not just pray. Not at all.

In reciproce: annihil.is better than draft for this multicriminal, so we should give him, what he wants for - More earlier, More better ! And before he can infiltrate more jewish spirit and youngsters and before he can covert more to "jewish" ! Don't forget !!

They have a large settlement in New York, and like many Israelis who have some problem , either with serving in the army, or economic or intellectual, these Satmarim can leave. They live in Israel and those are the terms for citizens. There is a country here, like it or not. They will be breaking the law of a country they don't recognise, so let them find a better place for them to fulfill their religious needs.

The right of the Jews to claim Israel as their country is our historical bond to the land. Without that, we're just thieves. The Satmarers have exactly the same bond. To say that they are obligated to follow the law of the land in order to live there is to say that no Jew has a right to live there without following the laws of the pre-state Arabs. There is no logical distinction.

I believe Chabad Lubavitch is the largest Chasidus. In its extreme anti-Zionism Satmar is exceptional. Their Rebbe advised his Chasidim during WW II to remain in Hungary rather than get visas for the trefa USA or the Zionist Palestine. Most major Chasidic courts accept the State of Israel as the centre of Jewish life. On the army issue, the 'real' Satmar Rebbe, Rav Yoel Teitelbaum, was asked by a Chasid who was drafted into the American army how to deal with the military rule requiring him to shave. Rav Yoelish ruled that his Chasid shave without using a straight razor; use a depilatory or other method. He worked within the framework of reality.

Haredim is a very wide group, of whom Satmar are generally in the USA rather than Israel. The Israeli parties Shas, Agudat Israel and Degel HaTorah are the main Israeli Haredim who certainly recognise Israel and play their part in increasing numbers. The main Chasidic groups in Israel are Gur, Lubavitch and Belz. Chasidim are only one group of Haredim. Other groups are Lithuanian, Ashkenazic and Sephardic Haredim.

Satmar is a Hungarian Hasidic community. Naturei Karta make Satmar look middle of the road! The original Satmar Rebbe never gave ammunition to Israel's enemies, although he had his intellectual differences with 'secular' Zionism. Naturei Karta went to Tehran to kiss Ahmidinejab while he was planning to wipe the 'Zionist entity' off the map. His office confirmed that this was a fair translation of Ahmidinejad's remarks.

In western Democracies, they would be considered conscientious objectors, and any attempt to draft them will be considered a serious human rights violation in Europe and probably America as well. Economic threats won't work since they don't accept government subsidies. If Israel tries to conscript them, Israel will be (rightly) compared to places such as North Korea as a major violator of human rights.

A fine case-example of why religion has to be eliminated (by peacefull means) at any cost. It is dangerous, just like any mind/brain washing technique would be. These individuals have long ago ceased to exist as Homo Sapiens. They're just living, breathing robots in the service of psychotic cult.

Why are the options conscription or leave? Why if some say they are not even Jewish force them to serve and not the Arabs who aren't Jews either? Why if you think is not fair don't you leave the country and see from USA how a bunch of Haredim make mosh inch come faster. At any rate seems like you don't want to keep mitzvot. You want to be secular, you don't want to be Jewish . So why are you in Israel? Come live in America and that is it problem solved. Is not really like you have any real ties to Israel or the land. Or is it? I am being sarcastic btw in case you don't get it,

I lived among an expat Satmar community (outside Williamsburg or Monroe NY). When Neturei Karta shennanigans would hit the news, they would take pains to distance themselves and state that this is not them. The truth is that the entire spectrum of Hungarian Chassidism is infected with this this agenda driven faulty and incomplete reading of a Talmudic discussion. As long as the non Jewish concept of clerical infailibiltiy is endemic in Orthodoxy in part and in Chasidut in whole, this illness will be with us.

the big lie do they pay when they get medical treatment by a doctor or in the hospital? They do not so take they do and they do take plenty also it has nothing to do with Zionism, I am sure they would not join the USA army or nay army for that matter