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Yiddish: Link between past, present
Anav Silverman, Tazpit
Published: 16.04.13, 07:24
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1. Yiddish is assimilation, with German no less
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   netzarim.co.il   (04.16.13)
2. The language
Sagi   (04.16.13)
and the culture which produced it should be forgotten and all steps taken to discourage its use. This culture and language brought shame and eventual destruction upon European Jewry. They were the two main factors for the hatred generated against the Jewish communities in Eastern Europe. The Jews acted, dressed, behaved, conducted their lives and spoke differently from the indigenous population, it was only natural that this would induce apprehension, animosity and eventually hatred. We have no reason to be proud of this sorry past but every reason to be proud of the present.
3. Yiddish alive & thriving
Yehuda Z ,   Ashdod, Israel   (04.16.13)
The Yiddish of the Yiddishists may be dead, but in the Charedi world, especially in the Chassidic world, Yiddish lives and thrives. Our children learn in Yiddish in their schools, our Rabbis speak publicly in Yiddish, and many of us use Yiddish in our daily conversations. This doesn't mean that we don't know and speak Hebrew, we do. However, Yiddish is important to our culture.
4. To 1 and 2
Shimon ,   Poleg   (04.16.13)
To number 1 your comment is nonsense however since you are in fact a Christian that's fine and I forgive you for the ignorance. To number 2 your comment dispalys a total ignorance of what anti-semitism is and it appears that you have been fortunate enough to not have experienced much anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is directed against all Jews whether in black hats with beards or against pork eating communists or any Jew whatever his political or religious persuasion The antisemite in fact normally holds the assimilated Jew in less regard the the obvious 'rel' Jew however the anti-semite hates them equally.
5. # 3 Response
Sagi   (04.16.13)
"important to our culture". That Sir, is the problem, your culture. You are strange misfits. I have no problem with you wishing to be relgious and your belief in God but you do not require to dress and behave outlandishly in order to do this. Also you do not have the right to force your ideas on others.
6. # 4 Response
Sagi   (04.16.13)
"total ignorance", no Sir, I have vast empirical knowlege of more countries and cultures, and in more ways, than I wish to spell out to you here. I am, in short, wise in the ways of the world. I am in no need of education as to the manifestations of antisemitism and its root causes. I simply maintain that the strange and the non normative people in society, any society, are regarded with disdain, ridicule and contempt and if, on top of that, they seclude themselves from the mainstream in self constructed ghettos, dress in different outlandish apparel and speak, in what is regarded by others, as gibberish, they will eventually engender hatred. The paradox is that the Haredi garb and cult culture was invented in 18th century Poland in an attempt to emulate the Polish nobility. It had nothing to do with Judaism and our heritge and it backfired on them and on all of us. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it without being regarded as being "totally ignorant". Have a great day Sir, and enjoy Independence Day.
7. a Lesson in Yiddish
Jerome ,   AKL   (04.16.13)
Yartzeit = Artziat in moroccan judeo-arabic. Shmate = Shmat. Note the similarities, we are obviously all from the same s88t hole. For some the journey ended in Poland for others in Galicia.
8. 7 Jerome Another lesson
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (04.16.13)
Polen had also a country named Galizie.
9. @2, read Pinsker
AY ,   Detroit   (04.16.13)
More than a hundred years ago, the author of Auto-Emancipation had described Judeophobia (his preferred term) quite well. And your accusations against Yiddish would fall right in there, along with others ideas that Jews mixed too much with the Germans, so that you could not distinguish them. It's a sad day for Israeli education when a yid in goles should point out to an Israeli what was written by one of the more important activists in the early days of Zionism. (And Pinsker was no shtetl-dweller.) As for the general idea - there's 1000 years of Jewish culture in Yiddish. You just can't throw it all out. Not because you don't want to - it's obvious you do - but because it is impossible.
10. 8 - Polen had also a country named Galizie.
split ,   US   (04.16.13)
Still have a part of it, it's called Podkarpacie. Gaizien was the German name given to a part of Poland, the Halicka Province (Ziemia Halicka) after partition located in Austro-Hungarian Empire ,...
11. Sagi @ 2 - Amen !!! Nothing to brag about ,...
split ,   US   (04.16.13)
12. # 9 Resonse
Sagi   (04.16.13)
"a yid in golus". This sums up the problem in exactly four words. Throw out the "yid" and disband the "golus" just like my great grandfather did over a hundred years ago. He threw away the funny clothes and the strange habits, rolled up his sleeves and got down to the business of realizing the dreams of the two gentlemen you mentioned, Herzl and Pinsker. He and others like him did it, not the "yids in golus".
13. go yiddish go, go yiddish go, gooo yiddish!
yiddishizer   (04.17.13)
14. sagi (2) oh my god that is the most ignorant comment ever!
simon   (04.17.13)
it's not the language that brought about their destruction but their being jewish, you mo***!
15. # 14 Simon
Sagi   (04.17.13)
First of all, I do not refer to people as "morons". Secondly, I did not say that the language was the cause. I said that the culture, the shtetl culture, the isolation, the behaviour, the total sum of what was decribed as Eastern European Jewry was the cause of animosity and hatred. Language is only a part of a culture, a large part, but still only a part.
16. Racists are the culprits,not victims..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (04.17.13)
of racism. Some may not like it,but it is the only truth.
17. Mamme Lushen,The experts are still
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (04.17.13)
debating the origin of Eastern European Jews and the origin of Yidish,the solution is very simple,since Jews name their children after their grand parents, follow the names,like,Shprintsa-Esperenta-Latin,Genendel-German,Zelig-blessed-German,Zalman-Salman-German,Shraga Feivel-Fabus-Latin,Mendel-German,Clonimus-German,From France the Jews brought Chulent,to keep warm,from Germany,the phrase,alter throtl,Yar Tzeit,yearly memorial for parents,Bach wrote music for Yar Zeit,this is not scientific,but practical.
18. 2 Sagi.You are wrong,it's not culture,
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (04.17.13)
language,dress,that caused the extermination of European Jews,but human nature was the cause for the greatest crime in human recorded history, for the last hundred years,before the extermination, German Jews,spoke,dressed,like the none Jews in Germany,and culturally, they were on a much higher level than the members of the national socialist party,still, the German government decided that German Jews should be expelled,and those who stayed,killed,in the early 40s a still functioning Jewish newspaper in Germany,published a artical : The differences between east Germans and west Germans,catholics and protestants, are much bigger than the differences between Germans and Jews,humans are very susceptible to propaganda and brain washing,the German government turned the Jews into an enemy,and given the persecution of the Jews by the church in the past,the people in Germany and the rest of the world believed this lie.Jews are the eternal new kid on the block,today,the Anti Israel demonstrations and boycotts,have nothing to do with language and dress,just Arab money and propaganda.
19. Yiddish since 1945.
Abigail Hirsch ,   Montreal, Canada   (04.17.13)
I have just completed a documentary, "Yiddish: A tale of survival" on precisely this subject - How Yiddish has been kept alive since the Holocaust in spite of the many challenges to its survival both in Israel and the diaspora via dedicated individuals in each generation since the Holocaust.
20. 19 Yiddish has a soul that kept...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (04.17.13)
the mammelushen alive
21. 19 Abigail Hirsch I am sorry, i can't share
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (04.18.13)
your optimism,in Boro park,haredi girls,students in Beth Yacov,when given a choice to study yidish or Hebrew,the majority prefer Hebrew,and this is the case in Israel too,the only places where yidish stands it's ground are williamsburg,New square,Monro,and Meah Shearim,it looks like,yidish will end up like latin,a language for scholars.
22. 19 - German Jews,spoke,dressed,like the none Jews ,...
split ,   US   (04.18.13)
You don't get it do you? Those were few and far in between peddling new order called communism conspiring against established governments and native sentiments, the remaining lion share (90% +) in Weimar Republic and East of Oder River were those black hatted species you see today in Mea Shearim a born con-artists and freaks that won't work or serve and in case of Poland over 70% couldn't communicate in native language an over 90% write a sentence in Polish after 800 yrs of living there. During partition of Poland for instance enforcing occupier's rules demanding from natives at their stores to communicate in occupier's language or hit the road ,... If this is not the case than tell us why are they the most hated part of society in Israel just as among Gentiles only after few decades of co-existence with other Jews? Same crap in other places around the world where they maneged to establish themselves ,...
23. 22.peddling communism,there were more
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (04.18.13)
Germans,relative to their numbers,pedling communism,than Jews,those red Germans became very loyal brown Germans.90% of Jews in the Weimar Republic wore black hats,are you drunk ?.German Jews were among the most assimilated Jews in Europe,and it was,what you call black hatted illiterate Jews that kept polish economy going,a British Diplomat said : Only the Jews keep Romania from going bankrupt,after the Jews received civil rights in Hungary,the standart of living has gone up in Hungary,there are no more Jews in poland,Hungary,Slovakia, Romania,who do they blame now for their misery ?.concerning the haredim in Israel,don't poke in your nose in other people's afairs,i believe if you will see a psychiatrist,we will not hear from you again,Antisemitism is a mental illness.
24. 23 - Save your breath , pal ,...
split ,   US   (04.18.13)
Your arrogance surfaces like a crap in the water every time you start bragging about your contribution to Europe's or her countries wealth and well being ignoring a fact that Europe advanced economically and socially like never before only after WWII during you absence there ,... The Germans and other nations had the right to change their political system at the ballot centers or taking to the streets if prevented, it was their country and fate you on the other hand were a squatters with no right to be there or peddle the crap you managed to impose by war, terror and gulags on Russians and others in Soviet Empire. Google "Poland Emerges as a Central European Powerhouse" (despite lack of Jews) and enjoy it ;) ,...
25. 23 - don't poke in your nose in other people's afairs,
split ,   US   (04.18.13)
Isn't it what you do around the world especially in US ,... Talking about proportions - In 1933 there were 66 million of ethnic Germans in Germany and estimated 523,000 Jews, some 130,000 illegally with an expired foreign passports, mostly Polish but the gross of commies especially the brass like everywhere were Jewish ,...
26. 24.(despite lack of Jews)Poland is doing
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (04.18.13)
better than the rest of Eastern Europe because of a Jewish economist named,Jeffery Sacks,who advised poland after the fall of communism,Germany had build its economy with Jewish money it stole from the Jews during the war,Belgium had send emissaries all over the world, to bring back the Jews,to reestablish the diamond industry,destroyed by your pals,the Germans,given the hatred in your heart,you would be very suitable to run the gulags in Russia under your uncle Joe.
27. 25.especially in US,do you deny the Jews
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (04.18.13)
the right,as American citizen to be involved in every aspect of American life ?.you must be a real commie,given your hatred to Jews and Israel.
28. 26 - ,who advised poland after the fall of communism ,...
split ,   US   (04.18.13)
Ask the Poles, Russians especially economists what they think and feel about J.Sacks and his 'transfer' to free market - Poland next to Russia was a victim of the bigest scam in human history perpetrated upon whole nations by Jewish interests.
29. 28.That's what i said ,you are against
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (04.18.13)
the free market,you are a commie.
30. solomon @ 29 ,...
split ,   US   (04.19.13)
I'm for free market not for stealing a country resources and economic base accumulated over the time by few connected ones on stealth or on non existing 'auctions' for nothing or bankrupting businesses so the connected sharks could buy whole factories in the middle of the night for few bucks on 'auctions' announced in some boonie town rag classified section on the other side of country and leave a few hundred workers with no job and income, destroying towns and communities ,... Coincidentally 11 out of 13 so called Russian oligarchs in '90's turned out to be Jews - How did they made their multiple billions each and hide abroad we all know that not the old fashined way by earning ,...
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