against the Roman Empire, and cut a deal with the Romans to set up Rabbinical academy while allowing the Temple in Jerusalem to burn...these Haredim are once again refusing to serve in a Jewish army. Their blasphemous treason is made all the worse by the fact that they have the benefit of hindsight, and understand the consquences of their despicable perfidy. But HaShem is not unmindful of what they do.

and forgo all responsibly because of it being so important to spend all their time looking out for his interest. Yet your actions prove you do not know him, not yet anyways. .The Haredim know about God but do not know HIM. Will he know you when he comes? Yes but only for his name sake. Your hearts are far from him.

I read of this new group and could only feel sadness and dismay. To equate serving in the IDF with Nazism. To suggest that boys commit suicide rather than be drafted?? At this point we do not know who "Fortress" is. We do not know if they are mainstream Haredi or lunatic fringe. If mainstream then the word mainstream has lost its' use and all are lunatic. If lunatic fringe than the mainstream Haredi Rabbis MUST speak against this. It is one thing to not want to serve, to do your share, this takes it many many steps further.

Just because they are no longer being allowed to steal from other men, their work, their families--so they can study how to be good Jews? Seriously. Do they have any idea how much damage they do to the reputation of the pious? If they want to study Torah, NO ONE IS AGAINST IT. All this is about is money. And I blame the leadership, who is benefiting the most from the extortion. If they aren't fit for combat, they'll be assigned other useful roles. Right now they seem like a bunch of cult members who are freaking out because the money is drying up. They should trust Hashem and learn to be responsible human beings. Everyone is wanting to give them a chance, but they are blowing it with these fantasies based on fear mongering.

By equating conscription to a woman being raped, they are saying that one is allowed to use lethal force to resist. And "kal ve'homer" no problem in working with either the Arabs, or the international human rights groups (who don't approve of persecuting religious minorities for refusing to serve in the military). Remember that suicide is only allowed when resistance is hopeless - otherwise one should kill the attacker (do the hilonim realize that these notices are strong incitements to terrorism). If a large percentage of hareidim are going to resist (rather than evade) conscription, Israel may be seriously painting itself into a corner. Significant Jewish resistance to zionism could seriously destabilize Israel and weaken its international position (since many of Israel's remaining supporters see Israel in religious terms, and won't be amused to see the religious being persecuted)

How long will the government of Israel tolerate the Ultra Orthodox Haredi objection to the state? With view like theirs, Israeli Arabs would be investigated, secular Jews would be tried for crimes of hate, foreigners visiting Israel would not be admitted or kicked out. It's time to act likewise toward Haredim who refuse to obey Israeli law, refuse to serve the state. In addition to taking away they financial support, Israel should find a way to adjudicate them in courts of law and take away their Israeli citizenship, followed by deportation. Yes, I realize there will be an issue where to will they be deported since nobody in the world will agree to take them. Hm.........

How sickening spiritual delusion could be and come to. Arn.Sweden.

These arrogants compare themselves to innocent young girls who faced rape, torture and death by Nazi beasts. These self aggrandizing people are thereby committing Hillul Ha'Shem. The incitement to suicide, even if perchance such suicide would be permissible in rare cases, becomes a Hillul Ha'Shem when it is advocated in public. It is absolutely forbidden to incite to suicide, especially of the young. The public hatred evinced against other Jews is also a Hillul Ha'Shem. Such public display of hatred of other Jews is the worst distancing from Ha'Shem from the Jewish people. it is by essence a Hillul Ha'Shem. the hatred of Zion and the wish to destroy Zion is also by essence the worst Hillul Ha'Shem. It incites to the murder of all Jews.

Arrest the rabbis who spark this sedition. Send them to the Negev to dig ditches for the IDF. This will be the first bit of work many will have ever done in their entire lives. Those who refuse to work should be shot.

I think they should not be put into the military for obvious military and security reasons. At the same time the government should raise more taxes to fund more and more these groups that are nothing but state sanctioned cults.

All the arguments the Haredi give are nonsense and dont apply in Israels case. First off, your not a jew in a foreign country being forced to fight for a gentile nation but your own Jewish nation of Israel. In the land that Hashem himself gave too your people. Be proud that you have once again as God promised your nation back. Fight for yourselves and proudly support your own peoples nation. Again, your not enlisting in a gentile nations military but Israels military. Big difference. All the stories of foreign nations is pointless. Zero comparison.

to the IDF. My sons served in Nachal Hareidi, and my husband served as a doctor in the IDF combat division. Whoever wrote such a pamplet has mental illness issues! And just like there are nutcases in the religious world, there are ALSO nutcases in the "non observant world" as well as mafia groups, etc. keep that in mind! What's going on is that there are DIFFERENT GROUPS among Hareidim of which many are proud to serve in the Nachal Hareidi which is OVERWHELMED WITH ENROLLMENT! But what is CLEAR to me is the GREAT EFFORT to create HATRED AGAINST YOUR OWN FELLOW JEW YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!

The few that serve or the many who refuse and are takers?

should be representative of a group

Just like a broken clock is right twice a day.

that sooner or later will be followed by the majority,if they get the conditions to perform their believe.

No law against wishful thinking without basis in reality. Erodes your credibility though.