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Majority of Israelis back Women of Wall
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Published: 15.05.13, 09:47
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1. more Hyperbole with a 4.5%! margin of error
(05.15.13)
this isn't news this is hyperbole and propaganda.
2. WOMEN OF THE WALL POLL
H ROSEN ,   PA U S A   (05.15.13)
MORE TROUBLING IS THAT 38% OF ISRAELIS DO NOT BELIEVE IN RELIGIOUS FREEDOM OR ANY SORT OF JUDAISM OUTSIDE OF ULTRA ORTHORDOX. WHAT % I WONDER THINK REFORM JEWS ARE NOT JEWS AT ALL . WHAT IS ONE TO MAKE OF THIS EXCEPT THAT AT THE RATE OF REPRODUCTION IN ISRAEL BY 2030 ISRAEL WILL BE A THEOCRACY RULED BY "MULLAH" JEWS
3. Who leads prayer at sinagogue, poll?
Miron ,   USA   (05.15.13)
Sure, Torah teaches fairness. But the book never said that poll is the way to decide matters of prayer. Does Rabeinu start prayer from a vote, which brocha to read? The attempts by secular community to enforce how prayer should be conducted, using mass (dis) - information methods is a violation of basic law and an attack on religious freedoms. What is going on is immodest and breaches very important moral barriers, that should be kept intact for the good of our very own nation. Article like this one by attacking the very bearers of Judaism as religion represent tantamaunt to Anti - Semitism.
4. Every Shabbat, every holiday
(05.15.13)
there are plenty of those "news", whose only purpose's to be re-printed by world press - so they can say : - see, Jews themselves are asking for it. Ynet, who are you letting in those days ? Is it your special"chomsky squad" in charge today ?
5. Best of luck to them, freedom from other peoples religion
Haim ,   TA   (05.15.13)
6. Religion and rituals
Sagi   (05.15.13)
!) Religion is nonsense. 2) Rituals are primitive. 3) Freedom is essential. 4) The law must be respected. If people wish to practice nonsense then that is their sacred right, both the ultra ortodox and the women. If people wish to conduct rituals, again that is their right. Freedom of thought, conduct and expression are the foundation and building blocks of democracy. No one has the right to hijack an ancient site and declare it "holy" and by so doing prevent others, whoever they may be, doing and acting as they please, within the bounds of decency and the law. There is no law in Israel that gives anybody the right to declare a site "holy". There is no law in Israel that gives one person the right to banish another from a site generally regarded as a National Heitage site. If I am mistaken and there is such a law then it is ample proof that Israel is not a democracy and it should be repealed forthwith.
7. I dont like it but I support you
Sam Sweiry ,   Eastbourne - UK   (05.15.13)
dont go about beating the bush - we live in a free world - we are free to express in what we believe what is right - From me to you Girls - Go for it - Show the world who wear the trousers - I dont like it but I back you 100%
8. Freedom of Association
Sagi   (05.15.13)
is a Civil Liberty and a Human Right. If it cannot be excercised in Israel then Israel has no right to call itself a democracy. The ultra orthodox take upon themselves to dictate to others what they can do, where and when. This has got to stop. They will be respected only when they start to respect others.
9. These women are but a symbol for anti-Orthhodox movement.
Michael ,   California, USA   (05.15.13)
Women of the Wall will prevail and the anti-Orthodox movement will continue finding other, stronger and meaningful symbols. Separation of religion from State in Israel is only a matter of time. Through fanatically opposing this Women movement currently, Orthodox Jews in Israel are fighting for survival. They want to continue to dominate religious life in Israel, to continue receiving governmental handouts. As this poll illustrates, Orthodox leaders have not the slightest chance, not even among their own flock.
10. WOW is as disturbing as beggars of the Wall!
Israela ,   Israel   (05.15.13)
You know the beggars I mean...the ones who as you are about to start on the Amidah come stick their cups between you and your prayer book. The beggars don't belong at the Kotel and neither does WOW with its obnoxious tactics!
11. 10 Even more disturbing...
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (05.16.13)
Women like you are even more disturbing. Do the WOW women creep up and bind you with Tefillim and then drape you in their tallas. I think not. If you were concentrating on your prayers, you wouldn't even notice them. Comparing them to beggars says something about you. You're basically saying these women are needy and deprived. In that you are correct, they are deprived of their freedom but unlike the beggars they shouldn't have to demand it, it should be a given.
12. The moment the Wall was turned over
Sagi   (05.16.13)
to the Rabbanut and declared as "holy" and received the status of a synogogue it became a "profession" and a business, beggars included.
13. 11 what they r doing is binding & draping the Western Wall
Sarita Montiel ,   Israel   (05.16.13)
with their very own version of history as they see it and of tradition as they are sure it should be done. If it weren't so very sad I would actually be amused by the fact that on the WOW site itself these women draw a parallel between themselves and the paratroopers who actually liberated the Western Wall. If they are coming in peace then why are they being so militant about it? If they are coming in peace as Shlomo's generation claiming that they have "rights" then why are they behaving like the warrior King David? Have they 4gotten why it was that King David did not merit to build the Temple?
14. @9: I just love delusional reformist! (so not!)
(05.16.13)
15. To Sarit
(05.16.13)
It's you who are delusional. Haven't you ever heard of democracy? Freedom of thought? Everyone is entitled to interpret history as they see fit. In the modern world most people think for themselves. As for militant, they aren't the aggressors, they defend themselves when attacked. Unless I'm mistaken, turning the other cheek is not a Jewish tenet.
16. who is pro wow
amw ,   jerusalem   (05.16.13)
those in favor of wow are not the religious. theyare unreligious who want wow like themselves. but they deny the sacity of the wall
17. @15 this isn't about democracy its about religion...
(05.16.13)
Not militant? Are you sure about that? If the women of the wall aren't militant then why are they behaving the way they are? Everyone who wishes to visit the Western Wall irrespective of religious belief may do so. Thing is they need to be sure that they visit with FULL respect for the customs of the location. I am sure that is why these women are all about the wall and not about the Temple Mount...because up on the Temple Mount the Wakf would throw them out in one hot flash of a New York second. These women are aggressive and anti-religious.
18. the correct message
peter ,   lod israel   (05.16.13)
Rabbi David Bar-Hayim tells it like it is in his video interview on Women of the Wall.
19. 15
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (05.17.13)
It's so easy to throw labels. Who decides the customs of location? Why do the Orthodox and the Hareddim always dictate? Did God give them the lease on Judaism? The women are behaving like they do because their rights are being infringed upon. Why is it when a man defends himself he is brave but a woman who defends herself is militant and aggressive.
20. Seculars have no say, only religious and traditional.
Jake ,   USA   (05.17.13)
If you polled religious Israelis, the overwhelming majority would be against these provocateurs. Seculars shouldn't be polled because they have no vested interest in the outcome of this battle.
21. According to the MH Institute Poll, 90% are against WOW
(05.17.13)
(MH = my house, btw. The baby can't vote, that's why only 90%) These skewed biased polls are rediculous and in no way a reflection of Israeli Society at large AT ALL. What a hoax and a joke! "Women of The Wall" are only representative of the intrusive American Reform movement. They are using the popular cause of Feminism as a disguise to cover the agenda of their cause. This has nothing to do with personal spirituality, it has NOTHING to do with Feminism, it only has to do with gaining attention for this ill-fated American Reform movement trying to get a foothold in Israel. They have so depleted their membership in America via assimmilation (80%+ and counting) that they must move on to destroy a new Jewish populace. It is similar to the chutzpah of industrialization destroying the Earth and then seeking other planets to colonize and destroy with the same industrialization that's already been proven the destoyer. Reform destroys Judaism from the inside-out. Isolate it in America like the tumor it is and don't let it metastasize in Israel! Israelis are too honest for a lie like Reform. The keep the Torah or they don't, or they keep some as they choose...they don't call it another BRANCH of Judaism! What a sham. Using the valiant cause of Feminism like the wolf in sheep's clothing is also shameful. Reform (and your rediculous (anti-) "Religious Action Committee") with your expensive teams of lawyers and PR staff: you can't PR and lawfare your way into Israel. We're not buying what you're selling. Fake "polls" notwithstanding.
22. #20 Chutzbah!!
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (05.17.13)
Excuse me. Jake from the USA. Are you King Solomen? Do you live here. I might be secular but I am Jewish. The wall is as much of my heritage as it is of any Jew. And I live her. Who are you to dictate? Who says Secular Jews have no interest in the outcome. Mr. America, keep your opinions to yourself.
23. @19 go read 13 again then make a corrected coment
(05.17.13)
24. @22 what happened 2 ur cool non-aggression
(05.17.13)
what happened to ur ability to allow others to have their own opinion? what? we can have our own opinion as long as it agrees with yours? Really? Are you sure that is how democracy works?
25. 23 & 24
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (05.17.13)
What is there to correct. I stand by what I wrote. A written comment with exclamation marks is hardly a display of violence. Everyone is entitled to a point of view as long as their view does not impinge on others. I don't tell the orthodox what they should do, why should they tell me what to do.
26. but 25 telling someone 2 shut up is very aggressive indeed
(05.17.13)
and 25 u did tell #20 and here I quote ur comment at 22 "keep your opinions to yourself" that is called "stimat piot" (blocking another's mouth) and that is very aggressive and violent. If you have the right to express your opinion and use exclamation points why can't #20 express his opinion? After all we are all just expressing opinions. and whether you like what we have to say or not...we still have the right to express our opinions as we see fit. So Arielush, Arielush, Arielush...let us all agree that even someone with a "lush" at the end of their name doesn't have the right to tell anyone else to "keep their opinions to themselves" Shabbat Shalom and for you with your lush may G-d grant you the ability to respect others and learn the true meaning of Shalom!
27. Political theater
moriah ,   sacramento ca.   (05.20.13)
They don't keep Shabbos, they don't practice family purity, they eat treif, they want the Orthodox to relinquish power so people who don't cling to Torah but cling to every ridiculous notion known to the Left - can control the Kotel??
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