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Enough is enough
Rafael Castro
Published: 25.05.13, 07:51
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1. It is the mosques and the radical imams stupid.
Harry Wright ,   UK   (05.25.13)
It is the religious adults who are indoctrinating the young minds and holding up jihadists as the role models.
2. Have u noticed how quiet "moderate Muslims" are about the "
Alan ,   SA   (05.25.13)
"psychopath" ones, as the latter go about their dastardly planings of terror activities. After the deeds are executed (pardon the pun)...the " moderates" condemn the deeds and say "those perpetrators are NOT Muslims... a Muslim would never do such a deed!
3. Only one question
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (05.25.13)
Which ethical tenets respected immigrants who came to Palestine from Eastern Europe? Or was the idea of "jewish national homeland" sufficient justification for massacres and expulsion of the native population? Than, you use really double standard. Why shouldn't those guys build their "national homeland" in Britain?
4. But they do have "ethical" tenets!
Mira ,   Vienna   (05.25.13)
The problem is that they are so much different from ours. They base exclusively on feelings of hate and oppression.
5. The Woolwich killers weren't immigrants!
OyVaGoy ,   UK   (05.25.13)
6. Key question: what was he doing in Britain to begin with?
David ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (05.25.13)
The European masochism is beating new records. Many terrorists couldn't even be deported because of the 'EU human rights court'. If the EU invites these people what do the people expect? Them to behave differently than they do in their home countries? A nation deserves the fate that it chooses for itself.
7. Enough is enough ! Alas there is no
DT ,   TA Israel   (05.25.13)
leadership in the UK at least.Don't look for any changes other than more appeasement of Islam unless the people take to the streets
8. Historical Errors
Zechariah   (05.25.13)
Great Britain has taken in refugees especially London but Jewish Escape from Nazi Europe was quite restricted though about fifty thousand were saved and 10000 children in the kinder transport.So there is some humanity there the colonies Canada Australia and New Zealand were far meaner .
9. You forgot something ....
Reuven ,   Netanya   (05.25.13)
While the bais of your article is correct, you failed to make the point that all religious clerics should refrain from instigating violence. We also have our fair share, josef ovadia is also not shy of rascist remarks and regulalry calls upon god to kill the infidels ... he had to retract his words a day after but I am sure that a man who says it once, says it more ...
10. David Cameron
Sagi   (05.25.13)
spoke outside 10 Downing Street, and I quote," the people who did this have betrayed Islam". Not only have they not betrayed Islam , they have,by this very act, compounded legitimized and given life and meaning to the basic beliefs and tenets of Islam. The first British politician to stand up and declare openly that Enoch Powell was correct in his forecast that "blood will flow in the Tiber", will win my admiration for being forthright and honest instead of a whimping coward. Blood indeed has once again been seen on the streets of London and it will not be the last time. I, like Powel, am a realist, I do not hide behind comments made for the sake of PC, or that are intended to placate. I face the truth and tell it as it is. Let no one be fooled, the insidious inroads that Islamic immigration is making into Britain and Europe is well thought out and planned and has an objective. Those who think otherwise are fools.
11. The sooner we deport the 70,000
Reuven   (05.25.13)
illegal African-Muslim migrants, the safer we will be!
12. # 1 Harry
Sagi   (05.25.13)
No Sir, it is not the mosques and clergy as you say, rather it is the stupid British public who allow their incompetent and misguided leaders to allow such things as mosques and Imams to actually expound, freely and without impunity, their inflammatory vitriol.
13. # 9 Reuven
Sagi   (05.25.13)
The person you mentioned should be in jail for incitement. The problem is that our politicians, lawmakers and enforcers, have no balls.
14. rubbish
jacob ,   nahariya   (05.25.13)
What a load of rubbish Raphael Castro! Where did you grow up? I spent my childhood and went to school in the UK and we read endless stories of swordsmen on horses slaughtering everything around them. I also went to cheder where we read bible stories of equal barbarism. Moslems are no different than anybody else.
15. # 5 OVG UK. Stupid remark
Sagi   (05.25.13)
I presume you mean by your statement that they were descended from ethnic Picts or Celts or perhaps with Norman ancestry.
16. We need to be more precise.
Steve   (05.25.13)
These believers are not killing in the name of God. They are killing in the name of Allah. Devout Muslims are following the example of the prophet, Muhammad. Commandments to kill in the name of Allah - until non-Muslims convert or submit to the authority of Islam - are found in the Qur'an. Notwithstanding what apologists assert about the "Old Testament," there are no similar commandments to wage unlimited (global) war against "unbelievers" (infidels) in the name of God.
17. Sudanese, Eritraens, + rest of the illegal African rabble
Dror ,   Emeq Yizrael, Israel   (05.25.13)
The so called Liberals running our Law system have lost their legitimacy. The lunatic left supporting the illegals are to be treated as treasonous internal threats on the level of cancer. The people should start taking measures into their own hands. If the Law does not abide by the will of the majority of its' citizenry than the citizens should force the issue in every way imaginable including violence. This is not an issue of human rights or Constitutional protocols to protect minority groups from the masses, Hell Israel does not even have a Constitution. We are a Republic I assume. Parliamentary govt. and such. These are illegal immigrants which pose several threats to the JEWISH STATE. GET THEM OUT OF HERE PRONTO.
18. Is it allowed to immigrate to Gaza?
Mark ,   London, UK   (05.25.13)
even if you are a muslim? Who has permission to grant or deny immigrant status? I am not at all certain whether Saudi allows immigration to the extent of granting nationality or whether, you and all your descendents will forever be guest workers.
19. Jarda# 3
Arnold ,   Montreal-Canada   (05.25.13)
If you are to study what occurred in Palestine in 1948 it would show you the returning of the Hebrew aka Jewish people to their homeland. A homeland that was taken away from them from Christians. Then the loss of said land by war and persecution by the Moslems. So let us say we Jews have made a 360 and are home. Seems only war and persecution by you Moslems will dictate the next go around.
20. Islamic Plague
Douglass G ,   Baltimore   (05.25.13)
What you put in is what you get out!
21. British born and bred
Tomek ,   Poland   (05.25.13)
the perpetrators were. They were not immigrants. Sorry to ruin your story.
22. Born and raised in London, Michael...
Gunnar ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (05.25.13)
Adebolajo is a lot of things, but not an immigrant. Just as the bombers in London's underground in 2005 were from Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham etc etc... In other words, this is more a question of a failure of the British society, rather than "immigrants who fail to accept British values"
23. #3 no one was "expelled " They left voluntarily when their
rachel ,   usa   (05.25.13)
attacking arab brothers told them in order to exterminate all the jews then they could come back when the massacre was over....But .... it did not happen that way . They (the arabs) lost ....The jews won . The arabs who did not leave are living in Israel in all its modernity . Please don't rewrite history
24. #19 Are you sure?
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (05.25.13)
In that case, you have to be kicked out of your home because you are on historical land of the native people of America. In case you try to defend your property, you have to be killed. In case the ideology of "historical national homelands" would be valid, then, all persecution of Jews around world had to be pretty justified. Wasn't the main reason for pogroms that Jews were strangers in national homelands of Russians, Czechs, Germans etc? Say aloud holocaust was right and then, I will agree with your theory of "national homelands".
25. to #24 Jarda
MR   (05.26.13)
Either you didn't read well enough what #19 Arnold said, or English is not your forte. Your comment is way out of line.
26. TO #3&24
Alejandro ,   Santo Domingo, D>R.   (05.26.13)
The "Palestinians" are not the indigenous people of Israel. The Jews are. In any case history is replete with people being expelled from their homelands One example is the Germans being expelled from CZECHOSLOVAKIA (have you ever heard of it?} after WWII. I don't see you or anybody else clamoring to have them readmitted, In other words YOU are al lying hypocritical bigot.
27. How do you know it is true?
JMK ,   NYC   (05.26.13)
How do you really know you are not being manipulated with public theatre? How do you know?
28. 22. Born and raised in London,
simon ,   UK   (05.26.13)
You are correct that that these two were born and bred in the UK and are of East African decent. Its not British society that is at fault here. We don't see this type of dislocation in any other religious group. Only in Moslems society. Hindus, Sikes, don't have this issue only Moslems. In fact these guys are converts to Islam. You are all missing the point here. Islam is seen by Moslems as the final revelation and the profit Mohamed was brought to save the world. This narrative only works if what came before failed. So the best way of turning this in to a self fulfilling prophesy is to convince Moslems that every non Moslem is out to get them. Finally One of these guys went to Kenya he was arrested and tortured when he came back he was ideal cannon fodder for radical Moslem leaders in the UK. So this is how we got to what was a horrific act on Friday.
29. Democratic values must be protected
Avramele   (05.26.13)
Fundamentalists of all stripes and faiths must understand that the democratic west will protect liberal values, the rule of law and the peaceful adjudication of differences. Political and sexual freedom, gender equality and free speech are not open to negotiation and religious law should remain in the communities of believers not parliaments. Lastly, no western democracy, Israel included, should think they are free of reactionary religious elements.
30. Born in England and raised Christian.
Luke ,   Sydney   (05.26.13)
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