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The impasse alliance
Ariela Ringel-Hoffman
Published: 28.05.13, 20:06
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1. Israel needs to claim Judea/Samaria permanently.
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.28.13)
The author makes a good point. The stupidity of "Palestinians" has rescued Israel time and time again. Had Arafat agreed to Oslo, and had Israel allowed it to be implemented, Israel would not exist today. Luckily, Arafat torpedoes this horrid suicidal abomination. However, Israel can't forever rely on "Palestinian" stupidity. Israel must do what is right. Israel must claim Judea and Samaria. Israel must stop talking with the genocidal terrorist P.A. and totally defeat it and drive it from our land forever.
2. The Truth
nachman   (05.29.13)
Peres got us into oslo which caused hundreds of fatalities and thousands maimed. He from all people should bury his old head in the sand and shut up already
3. Please retire Peres
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.29.13)
he reminds me of your crazy Uncle you try and keep from wondering from home too far and doesn't know where he lives. KEEP BUILDING !!!!!
4. Shimon Perez : No Sense for Defense
norbus ,   Jerusalem   (05.29.13)
Shimon Perez, went head over heal a few years ago at Davos to promote Shai Agassi Better World. That concept lays in tatters , the company is bust. I wrote a few years back , in course of my interest in renewable energy, that Better World stood no chance. It speaks volumes for Perez lack of due care before he advocate and lauded an unsound idea. Unless Perez can guarantee that leopards can change its spots, Jihad and Islam and the Koran will not change. Jewish State can co exist with Islam neighbours only if strong , and has borders it can defend. Perez and Obama do not want that. Annex C, Let go A&B , is the only way to go , before we end up driving our Nation to Suiside
5. CECK DEBKA ON CONCESSIONS DEMAANDED>
B.E. ,   Whangarei, NZ   (05.29.13)
6. Armistance for twenty five years
Zechariah   (05.29.13)
An cold grudging grumpy armistance agreement ought be signed for a Demilitirized Palestinian State of Sixthousand square km for. Eventually but not yet six million Palestinian Arabs who have the capacity to live without violence with the Jews and visa versa .The settlements ought stay and Jewish Hebron be a big high tech zone no name calling Jew or Arab.The Jordan valley and surrounds ought have masses of Jewish USA Russian missiles and counter missiles as in WW2 but not Stalinist maybe Menshevic like.
7. #1 Israel must focus on defense and
On the Balcony ,   Akko/NY/Kyiv   (05.29.13)
growth and it's own social problems, not expansion. We need stability. The world needs clarity. The settlement policy has failed and their days are numbered. It's time for us to clearly stake out our borders, fortify our security and leave the Palestinians to their own devices in their own state. Learn to live with it Chaim.
8. #7. Learn to live with always being wrong.
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.29.13)
Facts: 1. Judea and Samaria make Israel viable; which is obvious to any school child who can read a map. 2. Judea and Samaria legally belong to Israel. A fact so indisputable; even the P.A. won't debate it. As MK Danny Ayalon challenged them to. 3. Judea and Samaria Jews have one of the highest birth rates in the Western World. Within 5 years, we will have more than a million Jews in Judea/Samaria. WIthin 20 years; more than 2 million. As a leftist, you have been wrong on every major issue since Israel was founded. All the intelligent people have deserted the left. Learn to live with always being wrong.
9. Two reasons why the author is wrong.
Jules   (05.30.13)
1) Abbas is illegitimate - no-one knows who and when will come after him. 2) The PLO still calls for the destruction of IsraeI. All talk about "peace" is a dangerous illusion.
10. To No. 8
Bertram ,   London, UK   (05.30.13)
Two points. 1. If 'Judea and Samaria' legally belong to Israel why have not successive Israeli governments, no matter what political colour, formally annexed these territories? 2. Only you and the minority of Israelis who agree with you consider the ownership of J & S as indisputable. The ownership is disputed! You might not like it but it is a fact.
11. Israel needs a leader with the guts to annex Judea/Samaria.
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.30.13)
Bertram, the only reason Likud leaders have not formally annexed Judea and Samaria is because they lacked the courage to do so. It has nothing to do with law. "Palestinian" claims to Judea and Samaria are indefensible. That is why the P.A. won't even debate the issue; as MK Danny Ayalon challenged them to. Their claim to Judea and Samaria is the claim of a would be thief.
12. Israel needs to live up to
elke ,   usa   (05.30.13)
its own declaration of independence: "(Israel) will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations."
13. 8.
Birdi ,   Israel   (05.31.13)
Yay, bravo, Chaim.
14. 10.
Birdi ,   Israel   (05.30.13)
It is fact is it? How would you know what is fact or fiction, living in Londonstan? Minority of Israelis? you must be dumber than I thought you were. When did you do your survey? You are totally wrong. The majority of Israelis want J & S incorporated into the greater Israel. You dont like that? then you can lump it.
15. To No.14 Birdi
Bertram ,   London, UK   (05.31.13)
I will agree with you, following a poll on behalf of Ariel College in April, that a majority of Israelis favour the annexation of the whole or parts of the West Bank. That is not quite the same as saying that ownership of these territories is indisputable. It is disputed - period. I think your problem is laziness and ignorance. Hence your reliance on the maverick Levy Report and your idiotic 'Londonistan' garbage.
16. #15 Betram: Polls are misleading
On the Balcony ,   Akko/NY/Kyiv   (06.01.13)
"Tell me what you want and I'll produce a poll showing that that's what the people want." A pre-election poll performed by the same company predicted a landslide win for the rightwing with Atid receiving only 6 seats. When a poll is that far off the mark you have to question their methodology --and objectivity. Given the wording of the questions I likely would have been counted within the 80% who "favors the annexation of all or part of the occupied territories" unilaterally or by agreement. As for arguing interntional law with SarahB, Chaim and cohort -it is a waste of time. They are either deliberate propagandists or mindless victims of that same propoganda.
17. #8 Your facts are fantasy... as usual)
On the Balcony ,   Akko/NY/Kyiv   (06.01.13)
1. Maps do not create security or viabiility. There are a few million Palestinian-Arabs who will challlenge that map. 2. According to the UN SC,SG, ICJ, ICRC, High Contracting Parties of the Geneva Convention, ICC rules, the EU and U.S., "Judea and Samaria" belong to the State of Palestine. There is no need for the PA to debate your insanity. 3. Bedouin and Palestinian Arabs have an equallly high birth rate. They are not sustainable. 4. Calling me a leftist is simply sillly. We shall have to wait and see Chaim. But i take comfort from the fact that the majority of Israelis support disengaging from the territories and a two state solution.
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