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Rabbinate introduces 'bourekas reform'
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 13.06.13, 13:23
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31. #23, Have yourself a rabbi in private, they are zero to me.
Michael ,   California, USA   (06.14.13)
32. Hey 23 - Grow Up
Az   (06.14.13)
Before you try to call people illogical, why don't you learn some yourself? Just because some idea IS being used, does not mean that it SHOULD be used - secular or not. And you, with your "superior logic" babble - why don't you EXPLAIN what YOU think Rabbi's, with a capital R and an apostrophe, have to do with kosher certification and food sales in Israel, since you're so logical?
33. What? You Can't Ask?
chanawashdc ,   Washington DC   (06.14.13)
So they have to set up a system for bouerekas? Really. If I go out to eat I ask and if the server can't tell me whether something is dairy or parve I DON'T EAT IT. How hard is that?
34. Kashrut business
Fish and chips   (06.14.13)
Modern kashrut is about multi-millon business, monopoly and control. Nothing to do with healthy nutrition and quality. Just robbery of the producers and consumers.
35. and who said they hate reforms
Barbie   (06.14.13)
and reformists?
36. Two Rabbis
Latif abu Samra ,   El Quds   (06.14.13)
An orthodox and a reform, tried to fit a square peg into a round hole. It didn't go in so they turned to God for a solution. God told them go and ask Allah, the God of the Muslims, they invented algebra, so he will come up with the correct formula, anything is possible, you just need the right God.
37. What is really mind boggling...
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (06.14.13)
Is not the decision on the shapes, which is typical make-work for the Rabbanut in Israel, but the fact that according to this story, the committee was first convened a year and a half ago. That means that these clowns spent an entire year and a half (at taxpayer expense) deciding what the shape of dairy and parve borekas should be... and there's no mention of meat borekas at all! Will that require another committee to discuss the options for another year and a half?
38. #31
Sane   (06.14.13)
And Michael's in California are presumably zero to many people in Israel.
39. #32-Grow up yourself
Sane   (06.14.13)
I addressed specific points. Your complaint seems to be I should not point out things As to spelling- true you need a capital R, but you are completely wrong about the apostrophe, which is NOT used for plurals, but to denote 'belonging to Rabbi'. Thirdly I think that most people can tell very well what Rabbis have to do with Kashrus.
40. Wait for it folks
Raptor   (06.14.13)
Straight bananas in the works, just a matter of time.
41. And why in the world would you ever eat one?
Az   (06.15.13)
I doubt they go down very well, unless you have the stomach of a goat. Mine are always shaped the same though, two sleeves, a hood, and the skirt part. Not so sure about that spiral idea unless it's one of those newfangled fashion show bourekas.
42. to #36 Latif abu Samra
Bluegrass Picker ,   Afula   (06.14.13)
muslims didn't invent algebra.... they stole it from the Persians during their colonial invasions. Just like Arabic is a colonial entry to a land where the indigenous Jews AND non-Jews spoke Hebrew since time immemorial. Al Andalus was liberated from you monsters in 1492, Jerusalem is in the process of being liberated NOW, and the next place to be liberated from you jihadis will be Rakhine State. Go re-finance your house in Dearborn.... we will have cleansed Jerusalem within your lifetime, and your Rohingya brothers will be needing to share Michigan with you.
43. (in)Sane - What points would that be?
Az   (06.14.13)
Now you're just lying, and a fool! You actually don't need a capital r, and you just have a poor handle on your Amarecan grammar - and also don't know much about Judaism as you've now shown (making you anything but an authority on the matter). You meant plural rabbis, which is spelled rabbis'. Thirdly, I'm sure you think a lot of things, but you still are avoiding explaining what it is you think "Rabbis" have to do with kosher law and food sales in Israel. Take a seat.
44. Bourekas!?
Az   (06.15.13)
I THOUGHT ONLY TERRORISTS WORE BOUREKAS!
45. kosher interpretatzia..
Entrebourekeneur ,, ,   Israel   (06.15.13)
Bourekas are more kosher than burekas, dont trust the form of the bourekas "ela mashe yesh" inside the burekas
46. 17 I apologise for this unkind post...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (06.15.13)
which provoked anger [TB 28] . i am not here to increase, the more than enough existing hate, between the Haredi and Secular society. Quite the opposite.My dream is to reconcile them. Made a big mistake. Very, very sorry.
47. Very informative article
Aaron Dovid ,   Jerusalem Israel   (06.16.13)
I am very happy that y-net has decided to publish this article. As a kosher consumer as well as an observant eater, I am happy to hear that someone in the government of the Jewish state is trying to watch my back and try to protect me from unintentional sin. Perhaps most of the readers (or at least those who wrote such nasty comments) can spend a little more time learning about the nature of kashrut and then they will come to a greater appreciation for what our kashrut supervisors do and why they do them. Thanks again y-net for printing such interesting articles
48. #7/18 Now if we swap out some of your verbiage does it sound
(06.16.13)
normal to you?........ A little mutual respect goes a long way. You don't have to agree. Just agree to disagree. You words with some alteration: "What do those uneducated bozos know about (spirituality, self-restraint,) and what is good for our (souls)? (Spirituality) is a huge field, with huge implication on our health (of our higher selves). Allowing (rabidly-anti-religious) people to participate in national decisions on (religion) is an act of negligence jeopardizing the health of Israeli (souls)." The issue has NOTHING to do with health (aside from the dubious ingredients generally found in commercial puff pastry and its MSG-laden fillings): the health department is still fully and undebatably in charge. No worries; not a religious plot. This is simply to establish a recognizable shape for dairy and non-dairy pastry to make it easier for those concerned (the kosher, vegan and lactose-intollerant consumers and very obviously not you -- although why you are butting into our business in Israel all the way from California is a bit of a mystery -- oh, yes: just to rabidly foam at the religious over anything at all, even as trivial as pastry-- but I digress). I am generally tolerant of most idiocy, religious and anti...except when it becomes loud, brassy and mindlessly bigotted sounding, the line over which I'm afraid you've crossed. It's a pastry, ferkrissakes. Your rant that "I would not eat anything from the rabbanut," is a moot point: 1) you're not kosher and 2) you're not in Israel. Your pastries will be any random shape you might not expect at your local Cali bakery, so have no fear. It pertains not to you. [Surprising, Mr. California (I'm from there m'self -- but I made the move so I could legitimately live and comment on life in Israel). Usually so tolerant over there...oh, wait...we're only "tolerant" and "open-minded" about people who think just the same way we do. Good luck with that.
49. Oh, #7, I forgot to sign my comment
L ,   Merkaz, Israel   (06.16.13)
50. Mr. Aaron Dovid
Az   (06.16.13)
Sorry to hear that disagreeing with a fallacious interpretation of Jewish law is now "nasty." Fortunately, you don't get to define what's nasty and what's not - that is just your opinion. Unfortunately, your attitude of blind obedience to what someone with "authority" said and opposition to any argument trying to find the real truth of the matter is what's bringing the Jewish nation down. Good luck in wherever you live, dear sir madam.
51. EU regulations
Joseph ,   London UK   (06.16.13)
Whenever you buy top quality chocolates in the EU there is a paper telling you each shape's flavour. People want to know what they are eating and using standard shapes for bourekas is common sense, although the photo does its best to make the issue look daft.
52. 47 think again
Jem ,   Hadera   (06.16.13)
Sin is wasting a sh*t load of tax money on flour and eggs while 1 in every 4 children goes to bed hungry in Israel. This should keep you up at night not your righteous gluttony.
53. Ora , please think a little before writing something
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (06.16.13)
as not to provoke harsh reactions and need to give, accepted , apologies later .
54. It is indeed as daft as the EU regulations, ...
Ehud ,   #51   (06.16.13)
...only it adds the suffocating element of religious coercion to the bureaucratic intrusion into people's plate and palate. Only someone who has given up personal liberty and internalized the EU nanny state totalitarianism can make himself believe that people want to read an instruction manual before putting chocolate into their mouth
55. it certainly can be confusing
tsfatisha ,   tsfat   (06.16.13)
it's certainly helpful to have the different pastries having different shapes - especially if they are sold loose and aren't labelled. in my local bakery they are labelled parve/halavi and are on different shelves, but they can get mixed up, especially if the staff are in a rush. it's all very well to say.. ask the bakery, but very often the staff are very busy and don't have time to answer questions. btw they are having the same problem in london and the klbd are also trying to solve the problem in a similar way as people complain that they find it confusing/mistakes are made, and even when people get their pastries home they can't always remember which is which, especially if they bought several types from different bakeries -which may use different shapes- as someone else has said, it's not just the kosher consumer that is affected.. but also people who have lactose intolerance, or are vegan. it's just good marketing....
56. I thought you were all argueing over BURKAs, than I re-read
(06.16.13)
57. Agree to disagree... Or
Az   (06.16.13)
How about instead of just babbling and wasting keystrokes, I'll put forward an actual argument!? And then you make a bunch of things up and misrepresent what the other person said with your "swap out some verbiage?" You're right about it not being a religious plot. It's some kind of governmental overreach - telling people how their pastries must be shaped. Then maybe you will tell me how my prison gown should be folded and how I should eat my uniform, identical pastries that some one guy said how to make and eat? If you weren't so tolerant of idiocy you would explode due to autoimmune decohesion! Instead of drawing your maginot lines in the sand and making empty but real threats to random internet backtalkers, maybe you should use your head, shave some of the fluff off of your babble, and address the issue, instead of just beating around the bush and distracting from the real issue of why pastries should or should not be shaped identically according to what one guy said.
58. send them to brussels
bernard ,   munich   (06.18.13)
Well, send this rabbis to the Brussels EU bureaucrats as they are eager to learn a bit more of stupid ideas how to treat people the meaningless way.
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