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Bill Clinton: No alternative to Palestinian state
Neri Brenner
Published: 17.06.13, 21:45
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31. Mr. Clinton: Read the Holy Scriptures! Joel says dividing
Rivkah   (06.18.13)
God's land will lead to Armageddon! There is already a Palestinian State in Gaza which bombards Israel with missiles. The Palestinians must be moved to Muslim nations (over 50 of them) to head off or delay Armageddon. The Holy Scriptures says God gave certain lands to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and that does not include the Palestinians. You are calling God a liar and that is self destructive and will lead to the destruction of Gentile world rule, the current era.
32. No alternative to Palestinian state?
tiki ,   belgium   (06.18.13)
Like there was no 'alternative to Oslo? Oslo has been proven to be a disaster and Israel has learned not to jump into trial balloons with Arab Palestinians. It's funny how world leaders always believe they know what's best for Israel & Jews and it always ends up with Israel/Jews paying in blood for that knowledge! The only ones who know what's best for Israel are their democratic elected leaders.
33. More advice we don't need
Dror ,   Haifa, Israel   (06.18.13)
Syria should be more than enough of a sign from G-d that we really cannot trust America and or the Arabs. Prophecy of the end times is all around us. We need to put our trust and faith in God alone. Billy knows what this means, but he would rather we believe him or Obummer. God Forbid...
34. Palestine is Jordan!
Mark Damon ,   USA   (06.18.13)
There are 22 Arab states carved out by the Western World sphere of influence. 75% of Jordan is Israel, as mandated in San Remo in 1922, and voted for by 51 countries. The "British" were evil. Like a modern day Robin Hood. They stole land that was promised toIsrael & surrendered it to the Arabs for their oil booty. The bulk went to the Arabs. The "tiny dot" called Israel cannot be carved out. The Pals need to be separated & given back their Jordanian citizenships. There are 22 Arab states and look at the violence & mayhem everywhere. We don't need another stupid 'Terrorist state"
35. Bill kills me... :-) very funny
We paid for that?   (06.18.13)
There is a very good alternative to dividing our teeny weeny, itsy bitsy little sliver of a land = it's called Jordan, which mind you is very large in comparison to Israel. Look at the map! There is plenty of room for all the Arab (aka Palestinian) tribes to slowly and gradually relocate to their State of Palestine, even if it takes 50-100 years in investment and land development projects in Jordan to make it enticing. Israel doesn't have to rush into anything, we are not obliged to make them citizens and commit suicide. No one in the world can force us to commit suicide, forget it! One Holocaust was enough!
36. # 31, About Palestinians and Armageddon
Harri ,   EU   (06.18.13)
As scientists have proven many times, Palestinians are mostly descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They changed their religion under Ottoman era. God's land was divided many times in history, but the Armageddon will not come for dividing sand and fields. The Armageddon comes when you divide the Israeli people. I cant imagine anything so disgraceful than descendants of Abraham trying to send their own brothers into diaspora. Learn to live with your brothers. Palestine on 67' lines can be a mirror of Israel with a Palestinian majority and a Jewish minority. Looking into mirror is sometimes very useful. Maybe G-d wants you to have a mirror and take a good look at yourself.
37. The leftist never see the right solution !.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (06.18.13)
They have prevented the Right Solution for more than 40 years. Arn-Sweden.
38. The Euro-Centric vision is just so laughable...
Lynx ,   Palestine   (06.18.13)
To Clinton and all other creators of Israel...This land does not belong to you, nor is the independence and freedom of the Palestinian people born of a necessity to preserve the Jewish sense of superiority. It is born out of our sweat, tears, and blood.
39. Mr Peres, birthday celebrations are....
Nora Tel Aviv   (06.18.13)
.... private things, not presidential .
40. The trouble is even the PA havent a clue
Sammy ,   Newcastle   (06.18.13)
If whats happening throughout the entire Middle East teaches us anything - its the need for us to be able to express freely and openly how we feel about our political leadership And that applies to Palestinians in the West Bank too The PA don't know wether they want Union with Hamas, a West Bank State, Federation with Jordan, more of the same or do nothing at all and feed the indulgences and hate of a minority to wait for generations if necessary in the hope that they wipe out Israel All designed to leave the West Bank in a bubble - frozen in time - because its easier and less troublesome to drift aimlessly and pander to all sorts of outside interests quite apart from making good PR - than actually getting down to the nitty gritty of tough negotiation and enlightened leadership Meanwhile their Anti Israel arms length approach only damages our prospects when on the contrary it is closer cooperation that would improve our economy dramatically - making us more able to build a Palestinian State
41. Who is Clinton???
Anna Maria Sedda ,   Rome-Italy   (06.18.13)
The all party extravaganza it s shame;having Clinton as a "speaker " on a birthday a nonsense,to talk about Fakestine on his birthday a total failure.The "Flikstones" are talking ..talking...talking... and nobody wants to hear them anymore.Clinton was the worse president before Obamawamama that the USA has ever had....Clinton is expert in sexgames and adultery,not in politics..
42. Come and see for yourselves
Ali ,   Palestine   (06.18.13)
The readership of this site are, for the most part, ignorant of the Palestinian reality in Palestine. Come and see, and find out what your words are worth...and move my ???...you guys are full of nothing
43. Lynx in Phalestin
Dror ,   Haifa, Israel   (06.18.13)
You are writing from an imaginary place. This land belongs to the Jews. I can trace my roots back to ancient times with a continuous presence in this land despite all of the squaters that roamed in and out of here while we were away. I recommend you read Odyseus. The Jews are like Odyseus, remember what Odyseus did to the potential usurpers that were terrorizing his household while he was away. Eventually that will be your fate.. Thank your lucky stars that the Jews are more forgiving than Odyseus.
44. Another non-story
Ezra ,   San Diego   (06.18.13)
It's nice to know clinton is still well enough to travel and express himself. Also nice to know he has an affinity to the Jewish Nation. I ignore everything else that comes out of his mouth. He's traveling back to his U.S. lifestyle soon.
45. #42. Nobody doubts the reality - Ive seen for myself
Sammy ,   Newcastle   (06.18.13)
BUT We have to ask..how is it we are still where we are? Its both Israeli and Palestinian stubbornness and intransigence fuelled by a continuous cycle of pathetic rhetoric Time and again advisors have said to Abbas TAKE THE INITIATIVE...Go for talks and it puts US in the driving seat of negotiations rather than leave it to the whim of Netanyahu PROMOTE CLOSER COOPERATION not less. We cant exist as a bubble in isolation STOP FEEDING THE MINDS OF OUR YOUNG WITH HATE Proud to be Palestinian
46. Bill Where are your child and grand children - are they affe
Martin ,   SA   (06.18.13)
Bill Where are your child and grand children - are they affected by the consequences of your world view arising from a two or five or three state proposal. You could say, many happy return Pres. Perez and please Israel choose secure borders and draw your lines fairly and we in a America including OBH and EU will back you. The inhabitants outside those borders are the abandoned Jordanians. They are deserving people, even though it means they are there in Trans - Jordan by default. Let these people unite with Jordan Iran Egypt or Syria or even Ethiopia whom has so much land etc in a federal or whatever system and lets be done with this whole squabble-leraai. When the world politician stop stooping to the Arab oil-bags, black dollars etc we could then have a viable liveable self respecting solution and live with our neighbours in peace and not Heaven forbid in pieces. Am Yisroel Chai.
47. Really? How about Jordan?!
ej ,   tlv   (06.18.13)
how narrow minded!! There can not be ANY lasting, just, and peaceful solution to this conflict without Jordan as part of the permament solution. That means a democratic republic replaces the British installed autocratic "King" "Jordan," which will then divide the populated areas of the West Bank with Israel. THAT is the only solution!
48. Clinton's presidency written in history = horror for Israel
Adi ,   Zurich   (06.18.13)
Clinton's presidency written in history equates horror on Israel's streets
49. a true visionary
zionist forever   (06.18.13)
He is the so called father of Israel's nuclear program because he was responsible for it although he does these days think it should be dismantled. He also nearly became father of Saddam Hussain's nuclear program. When he found out Begin's plan to bomb Saddam Hussain's nuclear reactor he planned to make it all public. Begin had to carry out the operation ahead of schedule to counter Peres. His reason was how it would affect diplomatic relations with France who were building it for him. He is in favour of Obama sending weapons to the Syrian rebels despite the fact there is a very real risk one day they will be turned onto Israel. Oslo was all about give, give, give and never ask for things in return. He gave Arafat's Galil rifles which were later used against Israeli soldiers by terrorists who were connected to the Arafat regime. He is the first to turn the office of president into a political body rather than a diplomatic one. He should be shaking hands with diplomats and kissing babies but instead is openly involving himself with Israeli politics. WHAT A VISIONARY
50. You err !.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (06.18.13)
I Quote - Bill Clinton: No alternative to Palestinian state Comment - HASHEM is and has the alternative !. Arn.Sweden.
51. Everything BUT "Palestinian" state IS an alternative, Bill!
tom ,   tel aviv   (06.18.13)
52. Where is Palestine ?!
Ali ,   Palestine   (06.18.13)
Many Talkbackers on this site give suggestions as to where Palestine ought to be !!!. People, this will get you no where even if you were very powerful and we are very weak. The Israeli government gave up on this dream long time ago, not that they did not try very very hard (believe me please).
53. Ali baba
Dror ,   Haifai, Israel   (06.18.13)
Ali baba, Ale Kazam... Jordan is your Palestine... Look you can do magic. Palestine is a magic trick.
54. 36 Harri, EU: The Palestinians are called Philistines in
Rivkah   (06.18.13)
the Holy Scriptures and there are prophesies about them. Dividing God's land in Joel refers toi dividing Jerusalem at the end of the Gentile era. Zephaniah speaks of what will happen to the Philistines (Palestinians) in Gaza: EVERY Palestinian (Philistine) will die and the city where buildings are now will become a pasture and sheepfold, the destruction will be do total. Philistines are not descended from Jacob and their enmity against the descendants of Jacob is never ending. They are ancient and current enemies of the Jews and the only way to resolve the situation is a Palestinian diaspora to Muslim nations (not to USA or Europe).
55. # 54 Rivkah, Reading prophesies is easy,
Harri ,   EU   (06.18.13)
but understanding prophesies is much more complicated. When many Jews went to diaspora, there were no more Philistines left, so Palestinians cant be descendants of Philistines. Philistines and Palestinians is only a name that stands for a geographical area. Most of the Palestinians have the same gene pool as most of the Jews and there is only one logical explanation for that. If Palestinians would want to (but they don't because they are Muslims), they could read those same books and argue that they are the real People of G-d from Judea and Jerusalem and Settlers are coming from all over the world to conquer the Holy Land. "And the children of Judah and the children of Jerusalem you have sold to the children of the Jevanim, in order to distance them from their border." Don't fool yourself with old prophesies. I don't understand them and I don't think that you understand them either. You must do whats right in the eyes of G-d, not play G-d with your mighty armies.
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