who boycotted Piron's appearance from attending the graduation. At first Piron boasted that he will not be deterred by the haredim and plans to attend as scheduled. At the end, when most of the graduates agreed to the boycott, Piron's appearance was cancelled. These haredi Law and Business students did a great job at smashing Piron's ego to pieces.

Never ever ever EVER will I seek legal advice from Haredim attorneys. How's that for boycott?

Let's see what these Charedi graduates can do once they get into the world of work, professional style. Let's hope they can manage, even be successful and, as well, a credit to Israeli society. Enough gloating over Piron's absence.

I wish them success and happiness, and a warning not to worship idols in the form of money-love.

Exactly! WTG!!

This article was extremely annoying. I'm curious to know what the tuition was was if there was any. Us secular Jews gotta pay for everything. My kids weren't entitled to scholarships because my husband and I are employed. But for the Haredi student it is different.: daddy is too good to work. Mommy has lots of babies. Not only did we subsidize their substandard educational system, we also have to pay more money so they can get professions. And once they get professions they are jumped to the top of the professional ladder. It's like us ordinary people are tourist class and they are business class. Is it my imagination, or are they just better than the rest of us? All I know is, I'm sick of paying.

Yishar Koach! Piron and his ilk were and still are useless political appointees - but then the entire Israeli educational and government sponsored rabinical establishments leave a lot to be desired, to put it mildly.

And i quote: "Unfortuently we have to join the job market" well welcome to the real world

Are you sick of paying for various groups who end up undermining or attacking the State? These haredim are breaking out of the cycle of poverty. So what if they might receive some consideration in their tuition? They'll be paying it back in hefty taxes in the coming years. Maybe some of their taxes will go toward Bituach Leumi payments to you in your retirement? Stop carping about the haredim already. Whatever they do is no good. Enough already!

You are quite right. Enough with emanating hate and let us reconcile our differences, not keeping them afresh no matter happens to the haredi community.

I think I've earned the right to complain. I've worked my entire adult life, put three kids through the army, Now I'm struggling to send my last child to college. How do you think us average citizens feel when we see these young people get benefits our children are not entitled to. Do I also have to smile while I pay and bless the lord for this opportunity of charity. Sorry, for me charity begins at home in my house. Our secular children deserve the same consideration as the Hareddim, or are our kids only good for cannon fodder.

Aviad Osheri, who graduated from Law School said, "Sweet revenge. We're proving that you don’t need core studies, you don’t need to assimilate in secular society, and you can still be a lawyer, and a successful one at that." You aren't a successful lawyer yet so don't gloat. I wonder how you'd do at a real school where you can't get away with cheating.

These "Haredi" schools are not sponsored by the government any more than ordinary universities here are (if they are subsidized at all). The Haredim go out of Israel and get sponsorship, thereby looking after their own and bringing money into Israel. The money paid by outsiders to the lecturers is taxed, so money is going directly into the government funds too. Your complaint is simply that you have not got subsidies for your kids - so go get them. Haredim do.

Yesha Koach to them. Think how much easier it would be if they could combine both, and get the best of both worlds.

But really, all I see here is spite. Ignorant spite. The Ono Academy is prestigious, recognized for exceptionally high standards, and is a private academic institution. It has scholarships, yes, both those funded by the institution and those available from external sources. Some of these external scholarships are government-funded. But I find it incredible that you would complain about scholarships directed at Haredim when, quite frankly, there are scores of scholarships directed at, just to pick a random selection, immigrants from numerous countries, IDF veterans and lone soldiers, scholarships directed at people from specific areas municipal councils, a police fund, a women's fund, a fair share of scholarships directed at people with high entry grades... In short, you complain over any scholarships being given to Haredim at all, even if they're private. You also complain of public scholarships, when you yourself have numerous such scholarships available, directed at your segment of the populace - the *general* populace, and have subsidized universities to boot. Last I checked, Haredim have very few institutions offering teaching for separate genders, and all of them are private rather than public institutions, meaning they're more expensive and less likely to have public scholarships, too. And yet you even go as far as to attack the morality of both students *and* institution, implying that they're cheaters to boot. Frankly, Arielush, you utterly fail to realize just how many benefits your children enjoy that these ultra-Orthodox students did not, and likely never will. Your children, for example, won't be judged based on prejudice and personal appearance when they go looking for a job. You're the mainstream. Enjoy your spite. Oh, by the way... people who are *really* in mind to serve in the military don't complain of being "suckers" - we do it because it's the right thing to do, not because

"Sweet revenge. We're proving that you don’t need core studies, you don’t need to assimilate in secular society, and you can still be a lawyer, and a successful one at that." Uh huh. Let's see how successful you are in the real world, without basic math and linguistic skills.

You do realize there are prep studies to complete the professional requirements before the degree proper, yes?

There is more than one model of Haredim. The Hirschian haredi Kehilloh can include judges, architects, barristers, medical doctors, teachers, nurses, company directors etc. -- who see their daily work in terms of divine service. Israel needs more Haredi lawyers, doctors, architects, teachers etc. We must encourage the young to fulfill their entire potential and to contribute to the wider society.

"You do realize there are prep studies to complete the professional requirements before the degree proper, yes? " Then they're hardly avoiding the core curriculum - which makes that student either an idiot or a liar.

The core issue, and the sum total of the argument, between ultra-Orthodox Jewish education and the state of Israel's ministry of education directives is as follows: The state has a curriculum it wishes to enforce on all schools in the country. It is a mix of professional (maths, english, etc.) cultural (literature, etc), and national studies. The Ministry believes kids should learn these subjects, and defines their structure. Ultra-Orthodox education establishments focus on religious studies first and foremost, arguing that professional studies can be completed at a later time. And in those cases where there *is* an interest in teaching some of the state-defined curriculum, there are complaints that it was built with secular kids in mind, with ample references to mainstream culture ultra-Orthodox tend to resent. Literature studies are problematic by definition, as is the state's official approach to Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) studies - they are, in short, of a secular approach, often not acceptable by religious parents and teachers, be it for reasons of modesty, unacceptable breaches of religious beliefs, and so on... So these folks? They *didn't* study the state-sanctioned "core curriculum" as kids. They studied Torah, Talmud, religious studies basically. And they completed the *professional*, relevant studies they lacked, such as languages and mathematics, at a later date. So they are stating the facts, nothing more.

Your talkbacks are very passive-aggressive. And yes, us average folk, do have the right to be angry at the Haredim for dodging the army. We protect their a** for what? So they can seek 'sweet revenge' at our children's expense?