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Soon they'll ask to pray naked
Dov Halbertal
Published: 09.07.13, 19:59
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31. Warped Haredi Mindset
EGGM ,   Petah Tikva, Israel   (07.09.13)
I can't tell if this article is a joke or not, but given Halbertal's credentials it could actually be serious. Many years ago I studied in a Haredi school for 2 years and lived in a Haredi-only town for about a month. Many things you hear from these people are simply insane, idiotic, or both, but to them they seem completely normal. This article is a great example of this phenomenon. The Haredi mind simply can't comprehend the values of civil law, civil liberties, and other values that most human beings in the world cherish and/or desire. They thus come us with theories that are just as ludicrous as they are stupid. Haredim, wake up! Talk to some regular people, even (G-D forbid) some goyim, and learn what real life is like. Contrary to what you think, you can't stay in a bubble forever.
32. Would n't you like to see......
mindRider ,   The Free world   (07.09.13)
Tallited temptresses tied in tefillin.
33. deport the reform to tel aviv where they belong
jew of the wall   (07.09.13)
34. wow a big lol
rabbi sally   (07.09.13)
35. turnaround
charles ,   USA   (07.09.13)
Nude ladies in Shul... I have a feeling that this will bring in more members :)
36. Should we not dissolve Judaism as we know it?
SorryForExtremism   (07.10.13)
The pro/contra arguments are so infantile. Please be aware of your and mine confusion.
37. Praying to be seen by man//womankind and all of humanity
Linda ,   New Haven, Conn.   (07.10.13)
These deviants only want attention and should be barred from the Kotel. This is the sickest, vainest display of religiousity and spirituallity ever seen in time. Why would a woman want to make so much of an intimate moment of parayer,,,,, "Just keep telling yourselves,,,,,,,,,, These are not Jews", and not even a "prayer can save these deviants from making fools of themselves disturbing others.
38. not everyone has to agree with them!
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39. why do they have to scream when praying?
noisy men wannabees   (07.10.13)
40. If women start prying nude, many more people
Jerome ,   Basalt, Colorado   (07.10.13)
would pray! And tourism would runneth over!
41. OMG Dov! what did you smoke?
Ilan ,   Ramat Gan, Israel   (07.10.13)
Who would them prey naked? what is wrong with you? they just want to prey their way, so they feel closer to god! who do you think you are to say otherwise? obviously its implied in good taste and with respect to others praying there, but naked? Just WOW!
42. Praying Nude .. And so what if
Adam ,   London   (07.10.13)
They do want to pray nude It's a free world and everybody can express themselves as they wish as long as they hurt no one else
43. Aren't we mad in God's image?
Ivor Evenbiggergun   (07.10.13)
The Haredi are turning into the Jewish Taliban And Politicians are to scared to stop them, Israel to be the new Afghanistan I guess
44. And this person was a Lecturer and worked in the rabbinaWhat
Ehud   (07.10.13)
This is a senseless dribble. Praying women claim to do the same as praying men (Kippah, Talith, Tefilin) - and the only thing which comes to his distirted mind are naked women! 'Voting rights for women? Next they will demand to cone naked to the ballot! Driver's license for women? Next they will wanna drive naked!' It shows the sick, sexually repressed, misgoynous mind of the establishment orthodoxy . Secularism the end of Zionism ? Zionism was invented by secularists! As Ariyeh Derri astutely pointed out: "Zionism was the revolt of secular Jews against the Rabbis". The guy doesn't know Judaism and no history!
45. "god help me"
shloime ,   toronto, canada   (07.10.13)
"god help me to not forbid that which is permitted, and to not permit that which is forbidden." - from the prayer to be recited when studying in a beit midrash. something the author seems to have forgotten...
46. Only Authentic Judaism in Israel.
Jake ,   USA   (07.10.13)
No one would dare tell the Pope that he should let the Unitarians pray at the Vatican, and for the Catholics to heed their demands. Its an absurd idea, quite similar to the post-modern Reform making demands in the birthplace of Judaism. No place for their practices in Israel. Not now, not ever.
47. Good idea
Sidney ,   USA   (07.10.13)
Orthodox men are so sexually repressed that they are obsessively devoted to not showing it and use repression of women as a defense. Maybe if they can see it all, they can study without constantly thinking about women.
48. No, the next stage is taking over the men's section
Orly ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.10.13)
While the core members of the WoW group are of Orthodox ideology, Ms. Hoffman is a Reform activist and she is exploiting this group to meet her personal ideology. It won't be indecency, it'll be the men's section. For Hoffman the women's section is just a means to an end.
49. HIGHLY UNLIKELY!
David ,   New York, NY   (07.10.13)
Highly unlikely to happen on a par with the Ultra-Orthodox gaining even a rudimentary understanding of what is appropriate behavior on ElAl flights. So my prediction for either occurrence is, "probably never."
50. Jewish Taliban exists
Shlomo ,   USA   (07.10.13)
Dov Halbertal, the new spokesperson for the Jewish Taliban. What's next, preventing women from obtaining a non-religious education, revoking their right to drive cars, stoning them for appearing in public without the Jewish equivalent of a burka?
51. Praying Naked
CP ,   Netanya Israel   (07.10.13)
This is one of the more bizarre opinions by an Orthodox "authority" I've ever read. It has everything to do with the author's deepest and most revealing auto-erotic sexual desires and nothing whatsoever to do with the legitimate demand by non-Orthodox men and women to pray at the Western Wall in the same manner in which they pray in their Reform and Conservative synagogues all over the world (including Israel). I'm amazed that Halbertal would choose to share with us his intimate fantasy of naked women praying at the Kotel rather than keeping it to himself or sharing it with his partner.
52. I am fed up with religious fascists,
nibor ,   israel   (07.10.13)
who think they have a monopoly on how to worship God. The Wailing Wall used to be a joyous sight. Now it is partitioned off, organized and divided between men and women. And this author makes up some horrible fantastic story in order to justify this behavior. It was a sign of hope; now it is a sign of one group's interpretation on what Judaism is.
53. Liberal infiltration
Philip Hammond ,   Melbourne -Australia   (07.10.13)
The situation described is not new as there's nothing new under the sun. It is the same battle that took place at the Garden of Eden. The only difference are the names. We can be confident that HaShem is in total control of the situation and will use such issues to bring Israel as a nation back to His Holy Torah. We look at such "liberals" with a portion of disgust, to some extent justified but what of our own behaviour? How far have we who claim to be "orthodox" strayed from HaShems Holy Torah. How many of "our" traditions clash with the Holy One of Israel's (blessed be He) precious Torah? Sadly it is not only the "liberals" who reject HaShem through rejecting His Torah but many "orthodox" as well. HaShem will bring us back as a nation whereby we will embrace His Torah but due to our rebellion we may not like the methods He uses. I encourage us all to look into the mirror first and check our own reflection before we accuse others of violating HaShem's Torah. Violating a tradition is not the same as violating G-d's Torah we must understand the difference.
54. Author doesn't understand basic logic
Avner ,   Tel Aviv   (07.10.13)
The author of this article can't construct a coherent argument. One of the worst written articles ever published by ynet.
55. Talkbackers are all foaming at the mouth. lol
Jake ,   USA   (07.10.13)
This guy is right. The wow activists are not interested in equality for women. All they care about is destroying Jewish tradition and supplanting it with their convoluted post-modern ideologies.
56. Fundamentalist hysteria
Dan   (07.10.13)
It is only fundamentalists who dare claim to know what God likes, and who become hysterical at the suggestion that they don't. It is their bigotry, hubris and arrogance that might offend a deity, not the dress of worshippers.
57. article/women of the wall
judy rebacz ,   israel   (07.10.13)
This is extreme to project that from a desire to pray as they wish with tallit and tefillin they will in the future want to pray in the nude. This kind of talk leads to an ongoing incitement of the issue and does nothing to try and reach a peaceful resolution. There is too much animosity on both sides and this is one more "log on the fire".
58. "god" does NOT care.
spyguy ,   seattle   (07.10.13)
59. These women want to show they will have things their way
Sam ,   Canada   (07.10.13)
Because they said so. After this it will be something else.
60. This is truly ignorant.
Itzchak ,   Jlem   (07.10.13)
It's hard to believe this is considered a real argument. It should tremendous ignorance.
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