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Youth return from Palestinian-Israeli summer camp with new perspective
Shahar Chai
Published: 24.07.13, 13:52
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1. Oh, please!
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.24.13)
Why not spend the money on teaching those ersatz "Palestinian" children on the ramifications of waging wars of aggression? How about teaching them that violence and terror are wrong? What, those simple truths don't meet leftist objectives? What do you think that says about leftists? The Arabs fought -- six times. Wars of aggression. They lost -- six times. We owe them absolutely nothing. Except a speedy war crimes trial and sentences of death. Stop trying to apologize for being Jewish. These Arab miscreants need to apologize for what they are. Again -- we owe them absolutely nothing. They, on the other hand, owe us so very much. Meaningless blather. Jewish leftist idiots are REALLY climbing on my last nerve. They are idiots. Don't even recognize that they are being played, while it's happening.
2. It's an AMERICAN camp w/Israeli & Palestinian Campers
Israeli ,   Israel   (07.24.13)
It's an American NGO it was started by an American Journalist. I know several past campers it is a worthy project.
3. It looks like they are trying to force a 'new perspective'
DR ,   Modiin   (07.24.13)
on the Israeli's, not the Arabs in camp. The Arabs got mad when he put 'occupation' in quotes. Maybe they should have listened to him and found out why he put it in quotes, instead of being intolerant of his views. Tolerance, peace and understand is a 2 way street.
4. Will the hill top youth be joining in ?
Benny   (07.24.13)
5. There is a single seed that need to be planted and...
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (07.24.13)
...cultivated in order to achieve peaceful coexistence: Recognition among the Arabs that Israel is, by RIGHT, not only by FACT the liberal democratic and sovereign nation-state of the Jewish people. So long as they refuse to accept its RIGHT to be, to exist as the SOVEREIGN NATION-STATE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, no peace is likely to ever take root.
6. Upper class twits......
NS ,   Long Island, NY, USA   (07.24.13)
Seeds of Peace participants are usually made up of upper class and upper middle class Israeli twits from North Tel Aviv and Kfar Shemayahu. It has not stopped one terrorist attack since it was established. A waste of time if it does not recognize Israel's right to be in the ME as a free Jewish State.
7. Seeds of Peace a wolf in sheps clothing
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (07.24.13)
That is where Adam Shapiro co chair of ISM and his Arab wife Huwaida Arraf the other Co Chair met and started the 'International Solidarity Movement' .If anyone doesn't know what the ISM is google it
8. Confused?
michael Pielet ,   israel   (07.24.13)
These are not Jews. At best there confused fools.
9. # 1 You are pure evil
Kobi Martin ,   Tel Aviv   (07.24.13)
What's wrong with you? Are you devil reincarnated? How can someone in his real sense and mind oppose a move that connect young people to discuss and play instead of fight and express hate? How can anyone in 2013 nurture so much hate, arrogance and contempt? Are you real or just a evil espirit. I came from a family that lost many people in the Shoah. I always wonder if the evil shown in 1939 could be presented today. You are a complete reincarnation of evil. Yetzer hara. The NGO is doing a terrific job in connecting young, sensitive and loving dudes. They will grow up knowing the enemy is not the enemy, but human being created in a hostile environment. I hope the gates of heaven will be closed for you You dont deserve it.
10. #9 - it is you who are evil (and also a fool)
Boris   (07.24.13)
Kobi, what planet are you on? Every Arab member of "Seeds of Peace" that I have met openly supports suicide terrorism, wishes for Israel's complete annihilation and believes the Jews have no right to the land. This organization or whatever you want to call it has nothing to do with connecting anybody to anything, but has everything to do with the Jewish left sapping our community's morale and belief in ourselves. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Arabs dont give a hoot and holler about your pseudo ethics. Unlike you, they are basically normal people who believe all of Israel belongs to them and wish to see it wiped out (in stages or in one fell swoop, whichever works). They certainly do not accept its legitimacy. Sarah is completely right, as she usually is, but if you want to continue living in fantasy land and enjoy being played like a fiddle, all power to you.
11. #9. Kobi: Don't brag about your parents
Tom W ,   USA   (07.24.13)
I was born in an E. European ghetto during the Holocaust and as a child I survived. I am the "real thing", mind you. I found very much repulsive when somebody hides behind Holocaust victim relatives to justify his/her defeatist, pusillanimous, irrational pontifications. The leftist American Obama Jews will very forcefully push in the coming month their pet project, partition of Israel. So get ready to the avalanche of leftist, PR pieces in the press, because Obama Jews see their chance to obliterate Israel as we know of. As for the heaven you spoke of, it's open for you with 72 virgins.
12. Complete separation is the answer
Eli ,   Israel   (07.24.13)
My children will have no contact with Arabs or Africans until they are old enough to be dependent, I will teach them the dangers of these people and their barbaric culture. I don't want Jihad culture messing with healthy proud Jewish minds. Build a wall and lock the doors, I have no desire at all to see an Arab in my life. No amount of concessions or peace offering will change the desire of these violent mammals from wanting to kill every Israeli Jew. Deport all illegal immigrants from Africa or else Tel Aviv will look like Detroit City or Chicago, check the murder and crime rate there if you know what I mean.
13. # 9, 10 you are a lost case
Kobi Martin ,   Tel Aviv   (07.24.13)
It is much easier to defend the idea that Arabs are the eternal enemy, that they are inferior, that they want to annihilate Israel than to believe in peace and coexistence. Specially for you in the diaspora and those who pretend to be Jewish, like Sarah B. The possibility of a Palestinian to hate an Israeli or a Jew is much higher among those who never saw an Israeli that one that have met one and could argue with him peacefully. Specially because we Jews know the face of hate and contempt we should be tolerant and hopeful. This has nothing to do with naiveté or lack of reference to reality, but humanism, faith in humankind and Jewish values, which none of you have. Hopefully, you are a minority. New researches show that most of Israelis and 70% of US Jews favor peace. So, crawl, together with ersatz Sarah B, into your Hole of Hate and stay there quietly, please.
14. #12 Change the words
Gilda Cohen ,   Rome   (07.24.13)
Replace "Arabs" and "Africans" for "Jews" and "Roma people" and you will be astonished. Unbelievable how people never learn. " I'd rather die than see my children married with Jews".. "Build a wall and put all Jews inside. Ghetto are the only solution". "Deport all Jews to the border of the State and let them starve there" . Check the hygiene and conditions of life of shtetels where Jews leave. Such inferior people" ... Well, you can imagine the kind of children you are creating, aren't you dear?
15. No12 Gilgul
Non Jewish immigrant   (07.24.13)
I hope you'll be a lesbian Muslim black woman in your next life...
16. occupation
jennifer ,   jerusalem, Israel   (07.24.13)
if one is a squatter-or even his grandparents or great grandparents squatted a certain property, and then the real owner shows up-the squatter has no legal right to that land-he just had a good deal that lasted him a number of years, and now he has to move on! Unfortunately, even the young non-religious Israeli population, not knowing the Bible, believes these arabs that say what sver they want just to get people to believe them. the truth doesn't matter to them, only their objective!
17. # 12 complete separation #15
Daniel M. ,   K.Ono   (07.24.13)
Gilgui... the best revenge agains such primitive mind is to wait and see the color and background of his grandchildren... Nothing like Divine Justice...
18. no pal comments?
Bernard Ross   (07.24.13)
19. aTOTAL WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!!!!
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20. Peace starts at home
Rami of Nazareth ,   Israel   (07.24.13)
Such camps are much needed here in Israel. Israeli-Arabs Israeli-Jews camps, Secular-Haredi camps, etc.. we are so intolerant of others, it is not good for our children nor the future of this country.
21. #13 Kobi. Sarah is a treasure. You are an utter fool.
Chaim ,   Israel   (07.24.13)
Sarah's posts do not reflect hatred. They are imbued with love of Israel, wisdom and truth. You can't blame Sarah if the truth is often hard to swallow. The Holocaust occured because Jewish leaders couldn't face the truth about Hitler and Germany till it was too late. Israel is in danger today because idiotic leftists, like yourself, pretend "Palestinians" are peace partners, while they plan genocide and tell the world they're planning genocide. The bottom line: Sarah is a treasure. You are an utter fool.
22. These summer camps.....
Bertram ,   London, UK   (07.24.13)
....are extremely valuable, if only because, in some kind of Pavlovian conditioned response, Sarah B and her friends begin foaming at the mouth and become apoplectic. Quite entertaining. More please.
23. # 1 - Lost wars ?.. on which planet ?
Nir ,   Ramat Hasharon   (07.24.13)
In 1973, only US diplomatic pressure and armament in the middle of the war saved us from annihilation. The Egyptian and Syrian armies were advancing fluidly on all fronts and abruptly stopped at their tracks when the US realized it could be all over. The results of this war - political defeat for Israel who had to start evacuating the Sinai immediately until handing it over completely. 1982 - We invaded Lebanon, completely failed on our mission to install a puppet government and had to escape with our tales between our legs in 2000, with our Lebanese enemies 10 times stronger than when we invaded. 1987 intifada - A popular uprising forced us to negotiate and cede territory and armament to the PLO. 2006 - no need to even remind about it. A complete blooper against a small group of well organized militants. I was there with my battalion, you were sitting at home drinking tea and spewing racial comments. That´s the difference between me and you.
24. 21 - I wouldn´t say she´s a ¨treasure¨
Nir ,   Ramat Hasharon   (07.24.13)
Probably just another South African fugitive, looking for another place to feed her white supremacist ideology after the old South Africa was taken away from them. There´s nothing Jewish nor patriotic about rejecting Jewish and Arab teenagers interacting in peace. Besides, she speaks about Arab terrorism and violence, but not a word about Jewish terrorism and violence against Arabs.. that´s just hypocrisy.
25. Photo is strange
Simon Klirhed ,   London UK   (07.24.13)
Why are they wearing what seems to be prison garb? Or they were doing gardening?
26. #13 - typical; #21 - thanks Chaim, your posts are great also
Boris   (07.24.13)
Sorry Kobi, but to state that the Arabs want to annihilate Israel is not an "idea", but an objective fact which the Arabs themselves repeat ad nauseum. Just because you have total contempt for them and pretend they mean something else does not make this any less true. You can babble about what you want until the sun goes down, but that changes nothing. If the Israeli government had any sense, they would have annexed Judea, Samaria and Gaza immediately after the Six Day War and overseen a proper population transfer. Instead, following your lead, they allowed the disaster to get worse until Israel is where it stands now (hanging by a thread). As for Chaim, your posts are always refreshing and grounded in reality. Great joy to read. Thanks.
27. To No. 26
Betram ,   London, UK   (07.24.13)
"Great joy to read." Now, Boris, I like good fiction like many other people. I would certainly argue that Chaim's words are fiction but it it is not good. Oh, sorry, you said it was "grounded in reality". It may well be - in a galaxy far, far away. So it's probably science fiction.
28. #22...., on this planet!
Ilan ,   Ramat Gam, Israel   (07.24.13)
The one everyone but you is living on! how you have twisted views on all our wars! or you know something that no other human being on this planet knows! either way, you are full of it! 2006 Lebanon war! go ask the families of those killed in the war in Lebanon, if they feel like winners? and.... since no other Soldier was kidnapped ever since, it seems like they learned their lesson! sounds like a victory to me! In all the other wars, our enemies failed to exterminate us! sounds like victory to me! OMG, you were there with your battalion! you must feel so special, that while your buddies were fighting and dying, you were cooking!
29. Kobi, Gilda
elke ,   usa   (07.25.13)
You give me a small but oh-so-important hope that there are voices to counter unthinking hatred with reason and compassion. A do-unto-others ethic. Thank you both.
30. They Discover That They Are Both Human Beings
Tim Upham ,   Tum Tum, WA   (07.26.13)
I have been hosting the Seeds Of Peace summer camps for years. In bringing Israeli and Palestinians youths together, they both discover that they are human beings. Many Israeli youth thought Palestinians were just suicide bombers. Many Palestinian youths just spoke to an Israeli at an army checkpoint. Here they find out more about each other, than just the negative.
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