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Incitement within bounds of Torah
Oz Almog
Published: 31.07.13, 19:58
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1. Your article is the incitement Mr Oz Almog
hadad ,   U.K   (07.31.13)
2. Haredim have a certain fanatical mindset
Israeli 2   (07.31.13)
some of which I support. The following I do not: 1. Beating, spitting, coercing (forcing others to obey them.) 2. Fanatically behind their "GURU" whoever he may be. All this must be changed!!! PRONTO!! However my thoughts are inconsequential and so are yours.
3. Don't they realise they are poisoning themselves?
Mark ,   London, UK   (07.31.13)
4. "State of insanity"
Sagi   (07.31.13)
is not connected to any particular time or event, it is permanent.
5. Cooling Off Needed
Zechariah   (07.31.13)
To stop a nasty cycle a cooling off time is needed seems a lot of stirring is emphasised by some media.The Demographic Rejuvenation of these large usually poor families ought be recognised .In time necessity will cause more to work and the Hysterics will become Fringe Maniacs that need to be Watched.
6. 2 First remove the beam from your..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.31.13)
own eye,than you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. The Secular society is far from perfect,neither is the Haredi society. We are all humans not angels.
7. 6 Ora: desperate enough 2 quote Jesus & Christianity now eh?
Israeili Jew ,   Israel   (07.31.13)
Herodians will go to any length, and have no qualms or limits I knew that all along, but glad you demonstrated it for the folks who wouldn't have believed it
8. Haredi Yigal amir? No logic
not a drone   (07.31.13)
Since Haredis do not like guns and war!
9. #6: I noticed that all you have are cliches
Israeli 2   (07.31.13)
But in reality you are empty. You do not know me for example and what I have done or am capable of doing. You must learn to respect this tiger first. You might as well start now. You need a lesson in behavior. I don't give a hootenan about you or Haredim. No spitting! No cursing! No beating! Is that clear?
10. 6 Ora . Right you are...
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (07.31.13)
We are all humans and sinners .Those who harm their brothers by defaming them (lachon hara) and those who have the power to stop sinners from acting but choose to keep silent or incite them are complicit.
11. #7: CORRECT! I did not want to embarrass her more.
Israeli 2   (08.01.13)
12. Agree with #2 100%
Shoham   (08.01.13)
Israeli 2 doesn't seem to me like he is against Haredim or any other certain group but rather against anyone who have no "Derech Eretz" which is the most important thing for us as Jews.
13. fanaticism
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.01.13)
Since the vast majority of the haridim are already fanatical about their beliefs and their rabbis, it is but a short step to an additional fanaticism...
14. Herodim are zombie fanatics becuz info 2 them is controlled
Sage of the Age ,   Israel   (08.01.13)
by their indoctrinators and handlers -- Herodim rabbis. Herodim rabbis are the problem, NOT the solution!!! Moderate Orthodox rabbis who will stand up and, inclusively, lead the Jewish world INDEPENDENT of Herodim rabbis (unlike R. Stav) are the solution... and I don't see but one or two so far willing to be independent of the Herodim rabbis. That's something R. Stav should have done the instant the Herodim rabbis exposed their chilul Hashem and leshon hara -- instead of running as a candidate to perpetuate the Herodim rabbi-controlled system (that they themselves ignore as irrelevant).
15. 13 Vast majority ?
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (08.01.13)
Seems to me you are falling in the easy trap of generalisation and that you don't know haredim well. I can assure you that most haredim are not fanatical even in the private sphere where they follow a way of life based on mitzvot. It is not in the mindset of the followers of the commandments in the thora to be violent and those who do are sinners in the eyes of God
16. 15 robert - you say your from belgium but
Israeili Jew ,   Israel   (08.01.13)
its clear your from neptune. Catch the next shuttle to planet earth and read the last few years newspapers and view videos from BBC to CNN to IBA to whatever. Catch a dose of reality and stop imitating Ora and Susie B
17. Any group that cuts itself off from society
Shachar ,   Eilat   (08.01.13)
is going to lose it's bearings eventually.The Haredim are certain they are keeping ancient customs and faith whereas in fact they are changing radically. You can ignore reality for only so long before it catches up with you.
18. 16 Catching a dose of reality from..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.01.13)
newspapers ,inciting hate against Haredim? NO, Israeli Jew. Only by seeing personally how they live,by talking with them you can catch a glimpse of their reality. Robert is not imitating me.he has his own ideas,with which i do not always agree.But we discuss in a friendly manner.He is never aggressive like some TBers here.
19. 7Most Jesus quotes are from Tora
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.01.13)
20. 11 Nobody can embarrass me..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.01.13)
as long i tell the truth. i am allowed to take quotes from where ever,as long it doesn't contradict the Tora.
21. 16 You clearly would rather...
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (08.01.13)
believe what is in the newspapers than getting to know the people first hand. I, on the other hand, I get to know people from all parts of the Jewish people through talking and exchanging ideas. The main conclusion I drew is that we are one people and that we all have to work hard , and we can succeed, to get closer to each other
22. ORA @#20
Israeli 2   (08.01.13)
For most part, I think that you are a "cool" person. Also, you are allowed to take quotes from where ever, even if it does contradict the Torah. You simply happened to have caught this tiger by its toes and it got very irritated. You tend to write in a provocative style with acerbic hints and sarcasm. Perhaps you are unaware of it. In the future please be careful who you mess with. Peace...Shalom.
23. 22 Israel2 Thanks for your warning
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.01.13)
You are right ,i should be more careful with humour.My tiger quote was intended as humour.But truth hurts. Shalom,Israeli2
24. Oz Almog calling for murder of haredim
Mordechai   (08.01.13)
What if a leftist Yigal Amir decides he will kill haredim to defend secularism inspired by this article. How easy will it be for a unstable secularist to decide to kill haredim to make sure their mothers feel the pain secular mothers do when their children die in the army. We need to investigate the universities and arrest any professor or student who incites against haredim.
25. 9 It is very clear,chef . Very sorry if..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.01.13)
i did hurt you.I did not mean to.
26. Ora @ #23 and #25
Israeli 2   (08.02.13)
I was not warning you ORA unless you are part of that spitting, cursing causing bodily harm mentality. I was merely suggesting. Yes, I was hurt only because I discover my so called "own people" behaving as disgustingly as they do. That's all. By the way, you are still loaded with sarcasm. But then...I do not mind that. After all, I am a tiger.
27. Balance
Danny ,   London England   (08.02.13)
If we look at the wider situation, both new chief rabbis are from the Haredi sector, so Haredim still have a voice in the national conversation. Regarding rabbinical silence, that would be an improvement over calling the National Religious leaders 'Amalekites'!!
28. You need Reform, like in the USA.
ex oleh chadash   (08.02.13)
also a Reform rabbi in the rabanut.
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