I agree the land belongs to the Jews and should be part of the state of Israel, but my point is that at this point in time it is not officially part of the state of Israel or any other state. To ban Jews from building homes on such land (or any land where Gentiles are allowed to build) and excuse it as a political issue is clear Anti-Semitism.

Any plan to partition the land and allocate part for an Arab state where they had to share it with a Jewish state has been roundly rejected by the Arabs. That makes any such allocation null and void. To take your position is to forbid Jews building on land where Gentiles are allowed to build. That is Anti-Semitism regardless of the politics. I don't think I would hear much of a world outcry if Israeli Arabs were to build "illegally" on the same land.

Phil, your argument goes like this: Arabs reject the partition -> war ensues -> Israel wins AND Israel (or you? ;-)) )declares the partition (allocation) null and void, -> hence the land occuppied (internationally referred to as 'occuppied territories') is not occuppied and, by implication is either "nobody's" or Israel's. The problem with this is that pretty much nobody in the world agrees that the partition is null and void, and the arguments you put forward here are kind of useless in the sense they can only serve to convice those who are already convinced and share your worldview. Hence I don't see anything automatically anti-Semitic or even anti-Israel in opposition to the settlements and in viewing them as illegal.

Tahl, International law is usually a combination of international treaties and resolutions. In Israel's case, if you want to dig all the way, relevant international law would be treaties agreed upon by the great powers that establised the UN, its charter; which in turn, with express support of the great powers ensured the creation of the modern Israel in its present location; it's also the relevant resolutions related to the establishment of sovereign states in Palestine, resolutions that followed numerous armed conflicts between Israel and the Arabs states; it is also a set of rules regarding what constitutes an occuppied territory and how the occupying state is obliged to relate to it. I'm sure if you want a real answer to your questions, you might as well do some research and study on int'l law. Bottom line here, yes there is anti-Semitism in Europe, but declaring someone opposing settlements anti-Semite is both nonsense and a very ineffective propaganda tool.

Also, I have to tell you, maybe the fact that there has been Arab population on the Palestinian land for centuries is considered a myth in your circles (i.e. among people who share your viewpoint), but if you want to have a serious discussion with people who don't share your viewpoint (both Israeli and foreign), you really won't be taken seriously with this ;-))) It's completely akin to how Arabs, anti-Zionists, and anti-Semites declare that the Jews have no connection whatsoever to this land, and I presume you would not take those people seriously (and rightly so).

The land does not officially belong to any state. That fact alone makes the UN partition plan null and void. It failed, period. And it failed because th Arabs rejected it. The upshot of your position is that Jews are banned from building homes where Gentiles are allowed to do so. Dress it up any way you want, that is the end result. And that is simply Anti-Semitic. On this point, I am not defending Israel's postion but basic human rights. Arabs can build on this land and the world says nothing. Jews build on it and it becomes an international outcry. Wake up.

The EU is mainly run by Leftists. I've noted, in the US, the Leftists seem to be partnered with Islamists who want Jews out of Israel. Why this partnership exists, I have no idea. It's this partnership thats producing the anti-Semitism.

Telling the truth about the Occupation, the Nakba and the apartheid conditions on the West Bank is not anti-semitic. The BDS Movement is not a fanatical organization. It is a movement to force Israel and Israelis to face its problems and seek a just and equitable solution for all parties. At this point in time a two-state solution may not be possible (Thanks Ariel and Bibi). So Israelis should think in terms of one state with declared borders, secular in form, with a constitution and bill of rights and equal rights and benefits for all citizens.

Yes, the expression used "We aren't anti-semittic , we just hate Israel" is weel known in this leftist Norway. Excellent represented by former right-wing politician Kaare Willoch, now sucling in the croatch of the far leftist SV. Also state-controlled media former reporters in Israel are on the same side, Carsten Tveit, and Lars Sigurd Sunnanaa. Also a prominent person from Labour Party, Eskild Pedersen, well known from Utoya, is a front-runner of educationing Israel-hate in youths in their camps.

Dave, I have scanned through the Fourth Geneva Convention. While the convention makes a note about "occupied territories", there is nothing there which Israel violates: 1. Population Transfers - Israel does not engage in that (though other countries have - take Turkey's occupation and repatriation of the Syrians in the Iskenderoon region, for example. Or what they did in Northern Cyprus). 2. Care and education of children - Israel does not hinder the Palestinians from educating their young ones (and wash their brain with the worst kind of antisemitic propaganda). 3. Destruction of property - the only time Israel destroys Palestinian property is during military operations, and only when fighting terrorists. This is allowed by the convention. 4. Medical Services - Israel does not hinder the operation of Palestinian hospitals, and furthermore aids the delivery of medical relief into the territory. And I haven't yet mentioned, supplying the PA with electricity and phone infrastructure. And while I am personally not a great fan of Israel's settlement policy, as you can see there is absolutely nothing in this convention which renders them illegal. I agree that many of the settlements (though not all) are unsustainable, but they should be evacuated not because of some "international law" which forces Israel to do so (and there isn't), but rather, from Israel's own free will, as a bargaining chip in the negotiation with the Palestinians. For this to happen, the Palis must come to the negotiation table without preconditions.

Why don't you take a good look in the mirror and do some soul searching instead pointing a finger at others. This so called 'anti-semitism' is universal and since the beginning of time, the rest of the world can't be wrong ,... Co-existence skills missing ,...

Phil, You miss the point again. YOU are not a qualified judge on whether the plan is null and void. Also, the fact that the land does not belong to any state does not automatically make Israel eligible to build on it. As I mentioned, your argument cannot penetrate beyond the circle of people who refuse to acknowledge the reality of situation and the Arab claims to that land, which is a tiny minority. Obviously this forum here is not a place where people are likely to shift their emotional opinions on such controversial subjects. It's just that arguments like yours, if followed by the policy-makers, simply dig them in and increase the isolation of Israel. Shouting anti-Semitism in this case will simply trivialise the concept of anti-Semitism to include any criticism of Israeli policies. If the term "anti-Semitis" becomes so all-inclusive, it will lose its current meaning that denotes Jew-hatred.

Believing the Palestinian narrative ful off lies. Probably you are posing as jew, so you can put yr venom in this page. I puke on jews like you, you are a disgrace. Even though there are many Semitic people in the ME, anti-Semitic is only considered by the world to be antijewish. So don't try to be a smart ass.

Do you have a brain or are you just a tape recording arab medias ?

first allocated to the Jews. Read the San Remo conference of the league of nations. England dismiss this mandate unilaterally and on n87% of the land allocated to the jews created Transjordan. Lear yr history better

. Stealing Arab lands and burning mosques is not anti-Semitism . More of this has been perpetrated by Arab on Arab as witnessed by the current strife in Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and not forgetting Iraq. Please be specific and delineate what land and what mosques were destroyed or taken by Israel/Jews. You and your fellow travelers by saying something outrageous believe that it makes it fact; unfortunately for you others have a brain and seek the truth. Under the rule of Jordan until their defeat in the various wars Jerusalem was a cesspit of hatred against anyone not a Muslim. The Jews of Israel have ensured the original concept of Jerusalem as a multifaith city and the continuation of it as the capital city of the Jews for almost 6 millennium.

If memory serves, it was Europeans that killed 6 million Jews. Some Europeans helped to round their Jewish neighbors up and load them into cattle cars bound for Auschwitz. Other Europeans shoved the Jews into the gas chambers. It was Europeans that killed Jews in Babiy Yar, Zmievskaya Balka and innumerable other places. Why is European Antisemitism such a big surprise? The entire history of Europe can be viewed as one long list of pogroms and expulsions of Jews.

No Bill. You are insisting on keeping this as purely an Israeli policy issue. It goes far deeper than that. It goes to the very heart of the "Jewish Problem" as perceived by the world. A number of years ago, in my country and others, some ignorant people shouted at Jews to "go back to Palestine". Now they are being told to "get out of Palestine". The problem is people try to cover up this anti-Semitic stance by keeping under the guise of Israeli actions. I am not the judge of the UN partition Plan as being null and void. The fact is it requires agreement on both sides and that has never happened simply because the Arabs rejected it outright and until such time as they accept a Jewish state, it is dead in the water because of that, not my judgement. If the Arabs continue to reject a Jewish state of Israel, how can the rest of the partition plan work?

Obviously not and you're impartial of course ;) ,... Tell me something pinhead why the place you're clickin' from doesn't call itself an Irish State the way you call Israel but the Republic of Ireland ? ,...

Ireland is called the "Irish Free State" in the Irish Constitution. It is a Republic simply because it has no monarch or overall leader. To say it doesn't call itself a state is to be ignorant of the facts. What is your point?

Just answer my question; why not Irish State ? ,... Check the definition of 'State' and 'Republic' ,...

Can you read? Ireland clearly calls itself a state in the constitution. Israel also operates as a republic since it does not have a monarch or overall leader. Ireland is a state, Israel is a state. What is your point?

# 8 Dave has said all that is needed. I am now going to give his critics some facts without insulting or belittling them. 1. White SA was boycotted for over 20 years for not giving the non Whites equal rights. Seven autonomies were established for the various African Tribes.The world did not buy this solution and the boycott became stronger until the state was forced to release Nelson Mandela "the arch terrorist" and you know the rest. Just as many Jews believe that God gave us all of The Land of Israel, So many Afrikaaners believed that God had given them their country. ( They were even told so by their religious leaders.) 2. In the eyes of people who care, the situation in the occupied West Bank is similar to that which existed in SA. this fact makes nonsense of the claim that the 'settlement boycott" is because of anti- Semitism. 3. Just as the behaviour of ultra orthodox and extremist Jews in Israel and the West Bank have caused me to dislike them intensely, it is very possible that 46 years of occupation have led to an increase in anti - Semitism. Most acts of anti-Semitism in Europe are carried out by Muslims whose frustration with the situation here is understandable. 4. I am one of many Israelis who believe that for the good of our children and grandchildren a political solution to the situation here is the only way that Israel will continue to survive as a Jewish state.

When all the free world boycotted apartheid regime in South Africa, Israel, the only ME "democracy", made good business with SA... And now the same Israelis, the same Hasbara workers advocating Jewish settlemensts in occupied lands, will teach us what is right?

Irish Republic not Irish State, the State of Israel not Jewish State, a big difference - By the way prior to 2007 there was no so called Jewish State (buzzword) it was invented to prevent negotiations ,...

You're wrong right there, those were a hand picked strictly Jewish crews as well as the ones that rounded them up in ghettos, it was the Judenrat and their Jewish police goons ,...

if the eu boycotted every country that had a border or territorial dispute, then we would not criticize them. however, they only boycott Israel. that makes the act clearly antisemitic.

UN 242 requires that in exchange for our release of territories (and not all of them) we receive border recognition, and end of hostility statement from Palestinians. They haven't done that so occupation is still legal.

Comparing the situation between Israel and the Palestinians, to Apartheid South Africa, is irrational. Blaming the "extremist Jews" for our conflict with the Palestinians (while turning a blind eye to the Palestinian leadership led by Arafat and now Hamas, who cultivated an industry of incitement and terror), is irrational. Justifying worldwide antisemitism because of "the occupation" is irrational. You may speak your opinion, but do not claim to speak on behalf of rationality.

Actually, dear, most of those hand-picked crews were strictly Polish. Bet that makes you feel really, REALLY proud. Came as no surprise, either. Why do you think that the Germans built most of their extermination centers in Poland? They knew that staffing and labor would not be a problem, that's why. My maternal grandfather taught mathematics at the Universitet Jagiellonski -- University of Krakow to you. He was herded into the gas chambers by ungrateful Poles. That's not something I will ever forget. If there is one country I would flush down the toilet, it's Poland. So -- no more loose talk about goons. The Poles have the catbird seat on that one. Drooling, willing idiots.