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Peace vs. UNRWA
Asaf Romirowsky
Published: 27.08.13, 11:07
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1. YOU ARE WRONG: JUDEA AND SAMARIA
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (08.27.13)
ARE ISRAEL...END OF THE DISCUSSION !
2. Hallelujah
Shachar ,   Eilat   (08.27.13)
I've been saying this forever. Unrwa should be disbanded or at least kicked out of Israel and the West Bank. You can be a refugee for 1 year, two years but not a generation! Life goes on and the Palestinians have to fend for themselves. Once they fend for themselves they will see the world completely differently and maybe then we'll see some progress.
3. UNRWA’s
Lazerbenabba ,   London, England   (08.27.13)
UNRWA’s sole purpose is to perpetuate its existence. It is nothing more than a self serving organisation keeping its directors, managers and staff employed in the style that they have become accustomed. IF and when the so called Palestinians get their act together and join the world has a self help people with self regard and pride and not living on the charity of the human race what on earth will UNRWA do. This UN parasite has no purpose to exist other than ensuring that its own survival.
4. This is why nobody will ever be able to do a deal
Zionist forever   (08.27.13)
Lets say Israel agrees to retret 100% to the per 1967 border, removes every last settler and agrees to divide Jerusalem but the only thing it refuses to compromise on is right of return. If Israel refuses that everything else will collapse because the ROR idea is sacred to them and Arafat, Abbas and anybody who succeeds him knows that even if they are personally wiling to drop ROR the people will not and they will be assassinated for agreeing to it and the treaty will be torn up by their successor unless Israel agrees to ROR. The Palestinians are proud of the idea that they are refugees. When a woman is pregnant she is not gong to give birth to a child but to a refugee who has a ROR. As for UNRWA that should be dissolved immediately, it is a corrupt organization with a huge budget to waste. Make the Palestinians the responsibility of the UNHCR then there will be no more official UN bodies that support ROR and it will save mostly the US millions every year as they are the main paymasters for UNRWA.
5. Palestine Ltd. has been the best, most profitable business
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (08.27.13)
in town, in existence for 65 years and still increasing in profitability. What would the board of director members, i.e. PLO leaders, do if it were not for the fact that they can produce "narratives", i.e. fictional stories designed for political expediency, sell them and get a lot of money for them. In fact, their "narratives" have been among the standing "best sellers" for decades. UNRWA is simply part of the system created to ensure that Palestine Ltd. is not dissolved, and is not going bankrupt.
6. Evil "peace talks" meant to destroy Israel.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.27.13)
It is childishly obvious that "peace talks" between Israel and the terrorist P.A. are intended to steal Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria from Israel and turn Israel into a 9 mile wide concentration camp. Therefor, it is lunatic for any Jew, Israeli or friend of Israel to want them to "succeed".
7. I was kicked out !!
Dan ,   K"S   (08.27.13)
My ancestors were kicked out in 3830 (70 AD) and were even put in ghettos (refugee camps) and killed in many countries by many peoples - mostly by Christians, but I found my way back to my homeland. I found foreigners living here and although I was willing to let them stay, they wanted to keep all the land for themselves and even when I said I would stay in a small area, the foreigners fought me. These foreigners have been tring to kill me and get me to leave for about 120 years now, but I have no place else to go - this is my land as given me by my forefathers.
8. #5. Fictional Palestine is a huge scam. Not a business.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.27.13)
#5. Businesses produce things of value. They offer services. They generate revenue. Fictional Palestine does none of those things. It is not a business. It is a huge scam designed to extract billions of dollars from fools in the Western World. Most of the money goes either to the Swiss bank accounts of "Palestinian" leaders or to fund terrorism.
9. #8 Chaim - then it is a business
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.27.13)
Let's face it the fictional 'Palestinians' do prove a service to the Arab world - continued terrorism of Jews. It also provides a cover for the Arab League to allow the world to ignore the nearly 1 million Jewish refugees from the Arab countries and the fact that they lost property that 500% more than the territory of Israel
10. P.S. # 5
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (08.27.13)
With such good business going on, why take any risks and resolve to live in peace with your Jewish neighbors. Such a move will undermine Palestine Ltd.
11. 10
zionist forever   (08.27.13)
Amazing how you have the left going in about social justice and their hatred of these cruel oppressive tycoons and all things business. At the same time the left are shouting and screaming about how they support the palestinian business. No wonder there is a plot by some senior members of Labor to get rid of Shelly.
12. It's just Alijah
Myconius ,   L'wd, Nl   (08.27.13)
Why should the jews be the only refugee's who's decendants have a right to return?
13. definition of refugees
Dr. Marcia Zax ,   Ithaca NY USA   (08.27.13)
You need to spell out the difference - that except for Palestinian Arabs, all other refugees are only counted when they have really fled from somewhere. How is it that for the Palestinian Arabs the definition came to include all there descendants forever and ever?
14. inherited refugee status
sharon ,   israel   (08.27.13)
Why is it that the Palestinians are the only people who inherit refugee status from generation to generation even when they are citizens of other countries? Those of us whose parents or grandparents left Europe for America or wherever - we or our children and grandchildren are refugees?
15. Dr. Marcia Zax #13
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.27.13)
Your definition is not exactly the same as the Geneva Convention's "A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well- founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion." Over 80% of the Arabs claiming to be refugees in 1948 had lived in the Mandate for less than 2 years
16. Myconius #14 simple
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.27.13)
It is our country - we make the rules. By the way Ireland, Germany, Spain, Greece and Japan have the exact same laws. Don't like our laws - don't come here
17. The Law of Return exposes Israel's apartheid
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (08.28.13)
Israel is unlike Ireland, Greece, Germany, Japan. It was created by an immigrant settler community that came to Palestine and displaced the indigenous Palestinian population. Israel could never have existed as a "Jewish" state without physical ethnic cleasning. The Palestinian refugees, who were expelled by Zionist forces in 1948 have not forgotten and claim their Right of Return as vested in UNGAR 194. You say you make the rules, Gee. That is indeed the sad reality of Israel, the apartheid state: one rule for Jews, another rule for non-Jews. So much for equality. The Law of Return, as Myconius pointed out correctly, only applies to Jews not to non-Jewish Palestinian Arabs, who were the indigenous people and driven out by force. If I were a Palestinian I would never ever give up my Right of Return.
18. Benny boy #17
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.28.13)
So morons think a General Assembly Resolution supersedes the UN Charter. Sorry but you can put the UN General Assembly Resolutions where the sun doesn't shine. They are ILLEGAL. Every single country in the entire world decides who can and who cannot enter and establishes their own immigration laws. So that means every country in the world is an apartheid regime. Or is it because racists like you don't like the fact that we are a sovereign nation? That is much more likely. The only ethnic cleansing that happened was by Arabs. Their "Right of Return" is not a right, nor is it legal. So they don't have to give it up - they have never had it nor will they ever have it
19. Population of "Palestine"
Steven D. Levin ,   Philadelphia, U.S.A.   (08.28.13)
The area of the Ottoman Empire once called Palestine and now called Israel was virtually deserted until the Jews began to return in the late 19th century. There was virtually no indigenous "Palestinian" population at that time. Arabs came from elsewhere to Ottoman Empire Palestine and British Mandate Palestine to find work. Most of them fled at the urging of the invading Arab armies during the 1948 Israeli War for Independence. Some were evicted by the invading Arab armies. Others were evicted by the Israelis. Ben Gurion offered to take back some of them when the armistice was signed in 1949 but the Arab leaders refused to deal with the refugees or Israel at all.
20. To #17
graczek ,   Maryland, USA   (08.28.13)
Ben Alofs, you state it exactly. "Israel" was founded by illicit UN fiat and exists illicitly from the get-go. The Jews there will have to leave--perhaps with an exception for those who can prove that whose ancestors were in the Holy Land before World War I--but the rest must leave, and the Palestine refugees will come home and reclaim their stolen property. Those Jews would remain on sufferance. That is The Lord's Way and Will.
21. #17 Don't rewrite history
Cynthia ,   USA   (08.28.13)
Many of the Arabs came to Palestine because the Jews offered them work. Ethnic cleansing is your favorite word and default because the truth does not support your agenda. The estimated 650,000 Arabs left on their own when Arab leaders and militias declared war on Israel in '48. That's the reality. They have no right of return. If Israel was so important to these Arabs, they should have stayed to help the Jews fight the hostile Arab invaders. Instead, they ran away.
22. The U.N. should be defunded.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.28.13)
The U.N. does infinitely more harm than good. There is no good reason for forcing millions of hardworking Western taxpayers to support it. Why not hold national referendums and find out how many Americans, for instance, want their tax dollars misused to fund the U.N.?
23. to #20 syria was founded in 1940's
ghostq   (08.28.13)
jews from Arab countries were expelled in the 40's and 50's, and WW1 ended in 1917, it means that Arabs will have to give back the houses they stole from the jews in those years. and the city of Chaleb in syria will be jewish once again. ^_^
24. refugees r no longer palestinians but syrian
ghostq   (08.28.13)
10000 people died thousand others r on the run, palestinian is very old news. as for Iran, it can happened over night, the Ayatullas r corrupted. like a thunder on a bright day.
25. What is wrong with world is they
WW   (08.28.13)
don't understand the Torah. Only jews have the right of return and compensation.
26. #17 - How so? All nations have immigration policies
William ,   Israel   (08.28.13)
Many Gulf nations refuse even Arabs from other parts of the Middle East as anything but temporary workers..... and NONE of them allow for the immigration, and most times even a visit, from Jews. And those that are citizens of Israel can petition for immigration of their family from other places, if those places are not at war with Israel. Many Israeli Arabs have brought in "Palestinian" family members, so...your "apartheid" tirade again falls flat.
27. #20 graczek - I have news for you!
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.29.13)
Every single Jew on this earth has ancestors who were in the Holy Land before World War I. From way before World War I!
28. Demographic Catastrophe
Zechariah   (08.29.13)
At least the Palestinians have 5 million Live Refugees .The Jews suffered Six Million Murdered in WW2 and there is a demographic impossibility letting refugees back to Israel .It would lead to a nuclear chemical biological and so called conventional tribal war everything obliterated.Futher The Palestinians and Islamic world place the severest blockade of Jewish escape from nazi occupied Europe with British acquiescence .So close was Turkey but in Refused entry to the refugee ship Struma with it being sunk by submarine torpedoes hundreds killed .And Turkey wants compensations .The Jews Recovered Partially but deserve Full Political Compensation.
29. UNWRA = Real face of Antisemitism
Tomer ,   israel   (08.29.13)
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