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Land for war
Noah Beck
Published: 26.08.13, 20:24
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2. Adon Beck asks. I provide an answer.
Gideon Reader   (08.26.13)
Why does Obama believe territorial concessions will bring peace? Forrest Gump's Ima provided the answer very clerly. Stupid is as stupid does. U.S.General Honore added salt to that stew with his..."Stupid ain't no way to go through life". Mavin????
4. Let Obama withdraw for peace from occupied Carolinas
Jeff Davis ,   Haifa   (08.26.13)
5. Mr. Beck...No Offense, But Duhh!
Brett ,   Florida   (08.26.13)
Why such a laimo article? Has obama ever acted like Israel's friend except while trying to garner votes for himself? No he has not. Do you not know in the muslim religion the child takes on the religion of the father? oingo boingo obama, or whatever his fathers' name was, was a muslim. barry sotero studied in the hate filled madrassah as a child. Do you think they taught love for Jews there? C'mon man. obama hates Israel, just as every good muslim should. Face the facts and don't write dumb articles, write the truth. If obama could cause Israel to fall, he would be the hero of the world...and you know it.
6. Because Obama hates Israel.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.26.13)
8. 10 trillion dollars
ishamel   (08.26.13)
for historic reason as well as san remo, the land called Israel belongs to the israeli people. When they were expelled by the romans, and ultimately the turks took over and ruled over those still living there, some jews and more arabs from 700 to 1900 CE. Later jews reclaimed the land. The land today is beautiful as israel has transformed it despite wars every few years. Before israel got it. The land was a garbage dump much like ramallah , hebron and jenin and qalandia are today, tires, aimless kids throwing rocks and not obeying their parents, disorder everywhere with their leaders lying to them while they jet off to conferences. So what is the point of sharing space with arabs? None. What is the point of living near them? None. They want the land and they want handouts and everyone else is to blame. You have educated people, doctors, ph.d.s, opthamologists, veterinarians talk like raving madmen unable to throw off the chains of religion, or the cultural inheritance that they have been given. So why is it? cause they feel that their religion is the one and all else is inferior. and their culture which permits them to slaughter each other is nevertheless superior to others. So maybe the saudis could bankroll a fund to pay for a UN supported bigger land for israel beyond any dispute so far away from arabs that friction would be impossible. Then that would be the promised land as jerusalem and others are turned into garbage dumps to house the tortured corpses of islamic infighting.
9. obama and beck
marv   (08.26.13)
obama's best friend for family weekly dinners was rashid khalidi, a ph.d. of note who fed obama a mixture of historical half-truths-the poor dispossessed palestinians userped by the power hungry jews,. Obama is essentially moslem even if he goes to church and could give a hoot about israel as much of america is sick of israel and arabs.Between friends obama promised khalidi he would do what he could to set up a palestinian state. Fortunate for obama, he has bibi to deal with, a strong talker weak as jello on the inside who cannot take presssure, the opposite of shamir. and bibi is not alone. From peres, to barak, to netanyahu to olmert, israel has had pathetically weak leaders. No amount of strengthing bibi works cause he cannot take sustained pressure from kerry or obama and israel pays for bibi's weakness. Example- these so called peace talks are a bloody waste of time, a total waste of time. Yes, america needs israel's vaunted military as a forward speak but they are sick of never ending war. from iraq, afganistan, syria, getting involved is a waste of time. Anything that has to be done should be by external launchings and no invasions. Obama's big mistake was in knowing that the world is dangerous, he has downsized the US military so that its options are not great.
10. screw obama and kerry
(08.26.13)
israel should not move an inch until and after the mid east region sinks into some kind of civility and peace between its own arab despotic nations.
11. Obama's believes
tiki ,   belgium   (08.26.13)
Mr. Obama will be gone in three years time and if Israel doesn't want to do the same it should say ''thank you for sharing but WE can't afford your dreams". WE will have to clean up the mess and try to survive in the realities of the shattered dreams you will leave behind. Obama's believes are certainly very precious to him, so he should share them with his wife & friends and not start pressuring those who will have to live the consequences of his dream world.
12. Simple answer
(08.26.13)
Why does Obama support Israeli retreat, despite knowing it means the end of the Jews? It's not a bug, it's a feature.
13. Finally
Eli ,   Toronto   (08.26.13)
Someone has it right. Great article Noah, I thoroughly enjoyed the read.
14. Israel's retreat will not bring peace, of course. Peace, to
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (08.26.13)
be achieved, ought to be negotiated for peace. After all, theoretically, all should seek peace, so let them negotiate peace-for-peace. And, if the Arabs don't like them, let them go to war, again.
15. Pres. Obama and Israel
graczek ,   Maryland, USA   (08.27.13)
Pres. Obama believes--correctly--that the foundation of "Israel" in 1948 and its recognition by Pres. Truman were gross errors and that this state of illicit from the get-go. Of course, he cannot enforce his views because of the prevailing political climate in the United States. This current situation soon will change, however, as more Americans realize the extent of the damage "Israel" does to humanity.
16. Obama is Israels worst enemy !
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (08.27.13)
17. America has no Friends!
Ilan ,   Toronto, Canada   (08.27.13)
It has Interests!
18. USA and NATO in Judae and Samaria
Zechariah   (08.27.13)
The USA and NATO and the Scandanavian Democracies ought impose with Stringent Force Stability and Quiet in Judae and Samaria on the West Bank of the Jordan .The Israeli Army will Shield from the Jordan Valley .In exchange Jewish and Arab Mega cities can be built in between with Villages and Agriculture and Life securing Research centres of Learning.
19. Lefty Obama told Pals they deserve a state
Sam ,   Canada   (08.27.13)
Like Peace Now and other far lefties Obama simply believes the "downtrodden" Palestinians deserve a state. Never mind that Palestinians want to wipe out Israel because far-lefties prefer just not thinking about that. Obama and other naive Western politicians also think a Palestinian state will make Muslim terror just go away. The US and EU can't figure out what to do in the mideast because their naiveness keeps getting in the way.
20. The mysterious Obama ?
Mark ,   T.a.Israel   (08.27.13)
HE IS ALWAYS HESITATING IF USA WILL ENTER IN ANY WAR AGAINST AN ISLAMIC STATE !! AS A MUSLIM HE IS RIGHT !
21. why?
max ,   washington dc   (08.27.13)
Answer is simple OIL from those that want to destroy Israel.
22. Unreal talkbacks
David ,   Detroit usa   (08.27.13)
It is sad to see such vile, infantile racism displayed by these talk backers. Obama is a Muslim, an anti Semite? These are outrageous accusations worthy of publication in the most extreme right wing screeds. It's shameful.
23. #15 Way too late and grossly incorrect BTW
(08.27.13)
You are some kind of dreamer? where do you think millions of Israelis will go - anywhere? Peacefully? Super dopey - your thinking (if that's what it is) - is part of the problem. The very first thing is for the parties to grasp co-existence. Israel has done that - the Pals refuse and always have. Dont try and put 'special rules' of conflict or land ownership on this - I know you do because you just hate jews.
24. Internationalize Judae and Samaria
Zechariah   (08.27.13)
The internationalization of Judae and Samaria with Jewish and Arab Megacities in between and Armed USA NATO Russian Troops ought bring peace.
25. A screwed up logic here. Here's an...
Gunnar ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (08.27.13)
...analogy: If Ariel Castro (in Cleveland, Ohio, remember?) had chosen NOT TO kidnap those three girls and have them locked up, would it mean that all women worldwide would be safe and that rape and murder would be a thing of the past??? Ehhh......no, but I could still think of a number of reasons for doing what he did was wrong. That "there are much worse things going on elsewhere, so therefore..." argument doesn't stick anymore.
26. All of the above.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (08.27.13)
Obama is a supporter of Islamic Jihad. Obama will be gone in 3 years what does he care. Obama hates israel. Obama hates Jews. Obama knows Jews, israelies are stupid. Obama knows israel is eager to commit suicide. Obama knows bibi is a charlatan, coward and liar. All of the above.
27. Wrong Question
A Simple Jew ,   Efrat   (08.27.13)
Obama is anti-Israel, and that explains his behavior. The important question is why Israel is willing to go along with this disasterous plan. The madness infects Israel.
28. Alqonquian and Piscatway tribes
ASTRONAUT ,   SC, USA   (08.27.13)
enjoyed a thriving culture for thousands of years, in your home state of Maryland, Graczek; until your European forebears rowed ashore and committed genocide on these and other native tribes. Know your history, Graczek, before spouting off about Israel.
29. Never mind "why Obama this, Obama that": why the hell do we,
tom ,   tel aviv   (08.27.13)
Israeli people, go on and on, agreeing to this imbecilic pretense? The only occasion that we manage any significant number of of protesters, is when cottage cheese price goes up, or there's a "need" to free hundreds of Arab murderers for one "child" of ours...?! No, I truly have no clue, but maybe someone smarter than me should do a research? Stockholm-syndrome on a mass scale doesn't seem to be plausible, not repeatedly anyway. Why does a delusional politico like Peres occupy the post of Presidency? The list goes on....
30. Lots of irrelevant generalisations
Shachar ,   Eilat   (08.27.13)
The whole article is based on arguments(largely irrelevant) against "land for peace" which is just a soundbite used years ago to try to sell a peace deal. A peace treaty is a comprehensive document meant to settle all remaining disputes between warring parties, land being only one of many sections of an agreement. The withdrawal from Lebanon and Gaza are irrelevant because they were done without any agreement. The peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan are better comparisons and both seem to be holding up better than expected. Any agreement with the Palestinians will be more complex though, really quite different to anything tried before. Can it be done? Only history will tell. But yes, the current situation in the Middle-east is very unconducive for peace.
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