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Pope Francis praises Jews in Italian paper
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Published: 15.09.13, 13:45
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1. Nice gesture but
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (09.15.13)
if Christians wanted to be like Jesus they'd be zealous Jews. No place for a Pope, Cardinals, etc. which is just a redo of the Roman Empire, the Pope is the Emperor, the Cardinals and Priests the Senators and Legislatures and those nuns are what's leftover of the vestal virgins.. Ah, that's show business if you don't mind the Vatican owning your soul. KEEP BUILDING !!!!
2. 1.
Avital ,   Israël/USA   (09.15.13)
A redo of the Roman empire? You are looking for analogies where there are none to be made. Church organisational structure is rather unique and bears absolutely no resemblance whatsoever with that of the Roman empire. None. The mere suggestion is absurd. You are quite the historian. Not.
3. Very nice ! I hope people will listen to Pope Francis
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4. Great sentiments,but he thinks Israel is rubbish
Alan ,   SA   (09.15.13)
5. I would say something like...
Beary White ,   Norway   (09.15.13)
Everybody should be like jews ;-) Then I would feel safe and no Islamic followers would be on the constant run for becoming a martyr, spreading fear and death. Islamic followers/faith is today involved in most every war on earth, Africa, Middle East and Far East, undeniable.
6. A Man of Peace
leo ,   nyc   (09.15.13)
Pope Francis has already proven to be a great friend of the Jewish Community and we, in turn, should welcome him with open arms. He is a wonderful leader...
7. 2-Holy Roman Empire & Holy Roman Catholic Church unrelated?
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   netzarim.co.il   (09.16.13)
Constantine never existed? No connection between Roman Empire & Holy Roman Empire? That tells us where to file your knowledge of history. In fact, the Hellenist "Holy" Roman Catholic Church organizational structure followed the standard model of Hellenized ancient temples of various gods -- amalgamating yet another new god, Jesus, into their other native gods: inter alia, Mithra (Sunday), Zeus, Ashtoret (Easter), Isis, Horus, etc. I suggest you extend your knowledge beyond your priest, pastor and-or Sunday School teacher and read Oxford historian James Parkes' doctoral thesis: "The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue, a Study in the Origins of Antisemitism" After that, you'll be better prepared to absorb the documented historical info in the History Museum pages of the Netzarim website.
8. An alliance of Jews and Catholics against common foes?
Johnny ,   TA, Israel   (09.16.13)
I guess anything is possible. My impression is that this is a likely option
9. I think most Jews r very happy with the new Pope
NeedToStopHating ,   Jerusalem Israel   (09.16.13)
Lets give the new Pope a chance he has absolutely no history of anti Israel or anti Semitism Extend the hand of friendship to one of the worlds most important leaders and stop the hate that is found thankfully among only a very few unthinking people. Give him a chance ! In my experience the hurtful remarks come mostly for a few American Jews who have had an unfortunate experience in life with similar unthinking Christians most people today and especially young people of all religions are not fanatics and just want to live together in harmony.
10. 9- Refusal & rejection are not the same as hatred
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   netzarim.co.il   (09.16.13)
The pope is certainly included in Christianity. Supersessionism -- claiming your New Testament supersedes the Bible, your Jesus the only way to salvation, etc. -- is Christianity's and, therefore, the pope's, raison d'être. This dictates that Christianity and, therefore, the pope, are intrinsically, indivisibly and inextricably misojudaic. To expect Jews to accept your supersession is unreasonable and borders on the persecution for which your church is infamous over many centuries. You must -- must -- acquiesce to Jews' right to refuse and reject your New Testament and Christianity. While there certainly is a lot of hatred from Jews resulting from the Christian persecutions over many centuries, refusal and rejection of your Christian New Testament and Christianity is not a matter of hatred. It's a matter of obedience to Dt. 13.1-6; which you should respect and will have to deal with. Jews cannot be "happy" with a pope who is heir of the Hellenist Roman usurpers of the 15th paqid of the Netzarim Jews in 135 CE when the Hellenist Romans expelled all of the Jews from Jerusalem; and who represents centuries of persecutions -- precisely as a result of refusing and rejecting your pope, your god and Christianity... which even you are demonizing as "hating." Perhaps a "rethink" would improve your perspective on what you should "expect" of Jews relative to your pope.
11. Vicarius Filii Dei Vicar to the Son of G-d
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (09.16.13)
isn't that the mitre of the Pope that in Latin translates mathematically to 666? Go ahead explain that one. Meanwhile KEEP BUILDING !!!!
12. This pope is actually a mensch
Dave ,   Montreal, Canada   (09.16.13)
Surprising no?
13. 7. (second try)
Avital ,   USA/Israel   (09.16.13)
You are, hilariously, responding to a statement I never made. My no. 2 doesn't deal with being related or unrelated or connected or not. Furthermore I do not know what the holy roman empire (962 - 1806) has to do with the question of the Church being a redo of the Roman Empire. I also find your post confusing. First it is about the Holy Roman empire being (un)related to the Church, then it's about the connection between Roman Empire and The Holy Roman Empire. I never said anything about the Holy Roman Empire. What on earth are you japping about? Again: the question was: is the Church a ''redo'' of the Roman Empire. It isnt. Different structure, different purposes. If anything, the Holy Roman Empire was for many at the time, but that was never the question at hand. I took a peep at your site btw. You are not a Jew. You are a Christian masquerading as one. Perhaps you can use your rampant imagination to think up places where you can file that one.
14. i'm glad they picked this guy as pope
david ,   new york   (09.16.13)
the other one from guatamala was anti-semitic. this man is a classy and decent person
15. #10 I am a Jew & U need to move on
StuckInATimeWarp ,   Jerusalem Israel   (09.16.13)
16. #9 "had an unfortunate experience in life with similar
A ,   Belgium   (09.16.13)
unthinking Christians". Well, if you read some of the talkbacks by a certain "unthinking Christian" from Silver Bay, Minnesota and a few "unthinking Christian"s of Polish background, you will see that their racism and hatred for Judaism and Israel, while thumping away on their New Testaments, only supports the hypocrisy of Catholicism. If your Pope can get through to these National Socialist Workers Party wannabes, than maybe he will have achieved something exceptional.
17. Here we go again...
Gene Graczyk ,   Santa Rosa, CA USA   (09.17.13)
Yes, Constantine existed but only converted on his deathbed and was never crowned emperor by the pope. That was Charlemagne in 800--for the record--and that is seen as the beginning of the Holy Roman Empire. The early church developed under Roman rule, for the most part, but not exclusively--think Ethiopia and the Malabar Christians in India. There was always tension between the emperors and popes, not a union of powers at all. In any case, so the hell what in 2013? I am delighted to have Francis as pope, see him as a genuinely good and compassionate man at every level. go carp up another tree with your musty and inaccurate, ultimately irrelevant historical musings.
18. 17 Constantine nationalized Hellenist Roman Catholic Church
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   netzarim.co.il   (09.17.13)
That wasn't on his deathbed. When he converted is irrelevant to what he did. Avital defends Christianity and the pope then calls me Christian (which any idiot who understands Christianity could see is intractably contrary to what I stand for). Historical facts don't "move on." Been around for millennia and will remain long after you're gone and I'm gone. Neither defying facts nor contorting them persuades intelligent and educated people over the long haul. You're like a candle in a hurricane.
19. 18 , Avital is 100 % right ! You are a goy
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.17.13)
in the pejorative meaning as we Jews , TRUE ones , often use . You pretend to be converted , which TRUE Rabbanut recognised this ? Years ago , on your website you were deceiving Jews with your heading [ ministry of absorption ] Then you told a BIG lie by pretending that the Chief Rabbi had send his wishes to you .
20. 19 Atheists are not true Jews. I post Orthodox docs.
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   netzarim.co.il   (09.17.13)
Unlike your baseless slander But, coming from an admitted atheist, = Edomite, I take your slanders, and the slanders of those like you, as a compliment. You each demonstrate your level, just as I do. Others can judge for themselves -- few give a toot whether you approve or not. You don't speak for Jews (and I don't pretend to). :-)
21. 18.
Avital ,   Israel/USA   (09.17.13)
I am not defending anything. If that's what you want to read, then be my guest, but don't bother the rest of us with it. I am not defending the church or christianities moral standing because it isn't incumbent on me, nor is it an issue for me. Most Catholics are decent people and couldn't care less about my opinion anyway, and why should they. For you apparently it is an issue, for reasons beyond any adults' comprehension. You furthermore come up with totally unrelated issues leaving me with the impression that you are actually a troll with a chip on your shoulder and the intellectual maturity of a pinguin, but not sometone worth arguing with. I am only defending hard facts. Facts that are there but you nevertheless don't seem to like and which, as a result, prompt you to come up with a smokescreen of contextually unrelated and meaningless terms to dillute any rational conversation.I noticed, however, that you avoid the question at handlike the plague, but prefer to put words and opinions in my mouth and then proceed to slam me for them, all to suit your own religious mumbo jumbo. I furthermore googled your name, and we here don't seem to be the only ones who consider you to be a laughing stock. And by the way. Charles asked you a question. While knowing that you will probably once again ignore it, I have a hard time believing that any rabbi would convert a person to Judaism who holds opinions like the ones you expressed on your farce of a website. Cheers.
22. # 11 More
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (09.17.13)
Has everyone ignored this fact?? Not another explanation for 666 except the Pope.
23. 18
Avital ,   Israel/USA   (09.17.13)
I am not defending anything. If that's what you want to read, then be my guest, but please point out where exactly, in your opinion, I do that. Please use quotes. I am not defending the church or christianities moral standing because it isn't incumbent on me, nor is it an issue for me. Most Catholics couldn't care less about my opinion anyway, and why should they. For you apparently it is an issue, for reasons beyond any adults' comprehension. You furthermore come up with totally unrelated issues leaving me with the impression that you are actually a troll with a chip on your shoulder and the intellectual maturity of a pinguin, but not someone worth arguing with. I am only defending hard facts. Facts that are there but you nevertheless don't seem to like and which, as a result, prompt you to come up with a smokescreen of contextually unrelated and meaningless terms to dillute any rational conversation.I noticed, however, that you avoid the question like the plague, but prefer to put words and opinions in my mouth and then proceed to slam me for them, all to suit your own arbitary worldview. I furthermore googled your name, and we here don't seem to be the only ones who consider you to be a laughing stock. And by the way. Charles asked you a question. While knowing that you will probably once again ignore it, I have a hard time believing that any rabbi would convert a person to Judaism who holds opinions like the ones you expressed on your farce of a website.
24. # 2 Avital,
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (09.17.13)
Respectfully, you need to get out more and study Catholicism further. As the "Church' has been the enemy of the Jews for nearly forever. The Vulgate bible is a joke, read the commandments especially the rewritten part of "Thou shalt not bow down to them" is substituted by "Thy shalt not adore them" making the bowing to idols okayed by the Vatican. I'm sure you realize that the Vulgate Bible, once the standard for all Catholics, has been replaced quietly by the King James version, which has not been altered to fit the teachings of the of the Vatican. It also helps to remember that in times past most Catholics couldn't read. When they could read, the Vulgate become confusing and passe. Maybe that's why Rome finally accepted the more accurate King James Bible? Still, if you read both, you see the collective planned errors of the Vulgate. How else could you manage to get the Catholics to do what the Vatican wanted, that, being an unthinking slave to a religion based on forming their own facts and making fiction Catholicism? Whether or not you're a Catholic shouldn't trump facts or what G-ds own hand wrote, do you agree? The rest is blasphemous hubris.
25. Avital & Charles -- Messianic & atheist, no difference
Israeili Jew ,   Israel   (09.17.13)
26. # 12 Some said that of Hilter too!
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (09.17.13)
Surprising no? NO. Con men are a dime a dozen.. Wisdom is scarce.
27. # 9 NeedTostophating Live in peace and knowledge
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (09.17.13)
To forget the past is to invite the same problems. ( or, better put, the past is a prolog) It isn't this Pope per se, it's the crimes of the Church against G-ds Chosen, the Jews. As long as they don't come after me to 1- convert me 2- kill me, I'm good with 'living in Peace." Shalom.
28. # 10 Read # 11
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (09.17.13)
Only the Pope assumes the position of being "The Vicar of G-d." Jesus himself did NOT make himself G-d, the Vatican did. Who prays to The mother of G-d but the Catholics?? I never read in any Bible, that G-d had a mother, did you? See what I mean, they wrote their own script and have their 'believers' on their knees bowing !! "Thou shalt not bow thyself down to them." So many grave errors of the church, hardly enough time to list them all.
29. So sad...
Gene Graczyk ,   Santa Rosa, CA USA   (09.17.13)
Really, people? The article, remember, was about the new Pope extending a hand in acceptance, respect, and genuine good will to Jews everywhere on the basis of the covenant. And what is the response here? The usual vitriol, despicable accusations and historical fantasies designed to shred and hurt. I will ignore these because they do nothing to advance our mutual understanding. As a committed Catholic, I am proud of Pope Francis and will try all the harder to emulate his compassion and generous spirit. Ignore him, despise us if you choose. I will not be among the haters.
30. Avital , this question , about his so called conversion
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.17.13)
was NEVER answered , the reason is very simple , NO Orthodox Rabbanut has never recognised such a self proclaimed conversion . He can only give me "names" , but no answer , nor denying the facts that i reported .
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