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Europe Council votes against circumcision
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 03.10.13, 08:39
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1. Europeans are SOOOOOOOOO IGNORANT...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG ,   Israel   (10.03.13)
They don't even know the difference between circumcision and female genital mutilation!???
2. How dare they mix Brit with mutilation
Tambour ,   Eilat   (10.03.13)
This is atheism trying to destroy the Judaeo Christian culture I can't wait for the disintegration of the EU project , the 4th Reich
3. # 1 and # 2
Shortchanged ,   Tel-Aviv ,Israel   (10.03.13)
Dont you understand, they are saying that the young male has no say in whats being done to him, therefore it should not be allowed in a modern society.
4. Finally the end to paganism
Dtm ,   Israel   (10.03.13)
Circumcision is a primitive act; if someone would have asked me I would have told them to get out of my face, I mean my penis. I have made my pact with Abraham not by cutting skin, but by sending myself and my children to elite IDF units.Good enough for me, and stay away from my willie.
5. Europe - the master of anti-Semitism
Madeleine ,   Israel   (10.03.13)
How dare they liken brit mila to female circumcision! The Europeans just don't miss a chance to spew their vile anti-Semitism - and if they don't find a chance, they invent one.
6. writing on the wall...Jews Get Out of Europe !! Come Home
naftules ,   Jerusalem   (10.03.13)
Just another sign that the time of the jewish people livining in Europe is at a close. Europe has happily replaced their jews with muslims. Let them enjoy their "victory" over the jewish people. Israel is the future of the jewish people whether you like it or not.
7. It is better to obey HaShem than man. Moses was 80 when he
Rivkah   (10.03.13)
was circumcised. The Hebrews under General Joshua's command in Scriptures were grown when they were circumcised before going into battle. It is less painful when a male infant is circumcised than when circumcised as an adult. But even primitive peoples survived circumcision. The problem with Muslim female circumcision is that it usually removed the clitoris and the labia majora when all that needs to be done to obey the Commands of the Jewish Scriptures is to remove the hood over the clitoris, just as the skin around the head of the penis is removed on the male. To remove more than that is genital mutilation. But the Muslims want women to have no clitoris to distract from the dutiful life of being a sex slave instead of a partner to her husband. Sex is not something to be enjoyed in their view for the female. I can understand that because women who masturbate do not have the strength to be as productive in a household as those who do not. Males who masturbate are similarly dissipating their strength. What made King David different from other males as a youth was that he did not masturbate. You can see that in the Psalms when he cries out to HaShem because he is "enlarged" (penis enlargement) and asks for mercy so that he does not sin in his mind against the Torah. Mikah (Micah 2:1) in the Scriptures says, "Woe to those plotting wickedness, and working out evil upon their beds! In the light of the morning they practise it, because it is in the might of THEIR HAND." Psalm 18:20,21, "YHWH rewarded me according to my righteousness, according to the CLEANNESS OF MY HANDS He repaid me. I have guarded the ways of YHWH." 2 Timothy 3:4 speaks of lovers of pleasures more than lovers of Yah.
8. our allies in this fight are the muslims...
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (10.03.13)
who also practice male circumcision
9. Can't cut off the debate?
BAB ,   jerusalem   (10.03.13)
Even if this latest round of outlawing Jewish practice (for humane reasons of course) will not succeed, it's just a matter of time until it does. Same goes for outlawing ritual slaughtering (for humane reasons, of course). European Jews have the option of anticipating more future rounds of negating religious practices,or deciding to re-locate, as did past generations - Israel, anyone?
10. Actually not an easy one! Religious superstition as such is
tom ,   tel aviv   (10.03.13)
bad enough,BUT it is so closely connected to the fabric of what we like to call "Ethnic Culture", that banning it is seriously violating that very same culture. In case of Judaism even more so. Why not banning as well, political influencing of children during their "innocent/impressive" years ?! Especially if the politics are of the leftist kind? After all "brainwashing" leaves mental scars for life! Where does the line of parental responsibilities/rights end and bolshevik-style, governmental engineering start?! All in all, a most unfortunate decision combined with bad timing. The motives behind it are far from snow-pure!!
11. Euro zevel
Dror ,   Haifa, Israel   (10.03.13)
To Hell with the EU..... Sardinia is pleading for Jews to return and the EU wants to outlaw circumcision... Poor Eurotrash they are so confused. Moshaich is on the way. Everything will be resolved soon. The signs are very clear for the Jews of Europe. LEAVE NOW!! You are unwanted. Don't wait for those damn Nazis to come after you again.
12. take religion out of it they wouldnt mind
zionist forever   (10.03.13)
Circumcision is a violation of the physical integrity of children according to human rights standard. Does it not occur to these people that it is for a parent circumcising a baby is not going to do them long term damage and as they child is circumcised as a baby its never going to know any different so its not even a violation of the childs will. Circumcision is actually good for the child in the long run because it is harder to catch diseases and so as a result many men go get circumcised. This way its just being done as a baby and once the wound has healed the child will never know any different. If anything getting the kid circumcised is a good thing for the child. Its like intentionally exposing children to childhood diseases, could argue its a breach of their human rights to intentional make them ill and put them through pain but long term its good for them because their immune system is better for fighting off these things as a child than it is as an adult. If there was no religious issue here but parents were getting kids circumcised for health reasons they would have no problem with it. As there is a religious element involved they see it as some kind of cruel ritual sacrifice.
13. European ignorant 'schmarotzers
tiki ,   belgium   (10.03.13)
are telling the People of the Book, from which THEY are just a copy, the difference between right & wrong. These centuries old Jew killers are telling Jews how to behave?
14. Confusing the issue
Sherlock Holmes ,   London   (10.03.13)
All sane people can see that female genital mutilation is unacceptable and should be illegal. By throwing this together with Bris Milah, the Biblical sign of the Covenant, it confuses the issue and hopes to outlaw Judaism and Islam through comparison with female mutilation. Similarly they would outlaw Kosher slaughter by wrongly saying it is cruel, while hoping we don't know how often their industrial pre-stunning slaughter goes wrong.
15. The Jews of Europe are as dumb as rocks..get outa there
Al   (10.03.13)
They is no future for you there. Not that long ago they murdered 6 million of our people. Wake the hell up and grow up. You have no future. Its time to get outa there and build your lives elsewhere. Try Israel. you owe your children that at the least.
16. 7 billion versus 14 million
Specialist ,   AKL   (10.03.13)
Dear European friends. A few million deaths from HPV, Cervical & oral / pharynx cancer for 7 billion common masses, is not statistically important. We are only 14 million (Jews) or 1/4 of a per cent of the world population. The incidence of HPV is very low among us due to our primitive circumcision practice. Why would you want us to join the death club?
17. #4
Ram ,   London   (10.03.13)
It would be "pointless" to approach your willie now, won't it? :-)
18. Jews and Muslims
Joseph ,   London   (10.03.13)
The problem with circumcision and also 'ritual slaughter' of animals is that while Jews carefully regulate theirs, Muslims do not always do so, and the govt is afraid to distinguish between Jews and Muslims.When a UK ministry report criticised ritual slaughter, the late Dayan Berkovitz ztl asked which kosher abatoirs were at fault, to which the minister replied 'none', but they couldn't single out Halal for fear of being called 'racist'.
19. Yes, well, but.......
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (10.03.13)
Of course it's completely predictable that this article will produce the usual knee-jerk reaction from those who bleat and wail about anti-semitism in almost every breath of their waking lives, but such a reaction is blatently pathetic and void of any serious substance. Have you all forgotten that Muslims also practice circumcision, and also before the age of 15 which they stipulate in the article as the recommended age of consent? Have you all forgotten that there are many more Muslims than Jews in Europe and that most people there perceive THEM as the main threat to their lifestyles? So I suggest that you all take a deep breath and take control of your screaming victimhood mindsets and see this for what it really is - the exercise of civilized democracy.
20. Pinchas Goldshmidt
Jhon ,   London   (10.03.13)
It seems that anything Pinchas Goldshmidt touches turns into doom. The shechita fight in Poland he lost, this fight he lost. He might be a great guy but he is A VERY BAD LOBBYIST. Everyone should do what he is good in. And Rabbi Pinchas Goldshmidt should be stopped from mixing into affairs that pertain to the entire European continent. Mr. Goldshmidt.... stick to Moscow!!!! Europe works different then Russia.
22. new nazi rule !
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23. Many of those euro bigots
Raphael ,   Netanya   (10.03.13)
Pose as "friends of Palestine" and islamophiles. Apparently, they seem not to know they are shooting into their beloved ones' foot.
24. #19 mike
solomon ,   bklyn   (10.03.13)
What does your post have to do with Jewish concerns? Circumcision is practiced in both religions. What has circumcision to do with Muslims over the age of 15 rioting? And sorry to say, but history shows that the "screaming victimhood mindset" is well earned. This "exercise of civilized democracy" is denying a "non-Christian" ritual, and one that has possible health benefits. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You are bleating again.
25.  Council votes against circumcision
mat ,   uk   (10.03.13)
who are the people in this council did they do their homework properly it might be a good idea to check who they are and why they want it banned
26. Stupid idiots.
Sane   (10.03.13)
The Seleucid Greeks, the Romans, the Nazis, the Communists- all of these tried to ban Milah, failed and are now no more. These idiots cannot learn from history.
27. #3 short
solomon ,   bklyn   (10.03.13)
Young males have many decisions made for them when they are young, by their parents. And circumcision has been shown to have health benefits. Should parents be sued for not having sons circumcised as they have denied their sons a healthier life?
28. It's not concealed antisemitism at all
steve from raleigh   (10.03.13)
It's out in the open as it's always been. Europe wants the end of Jews in Europe. But like the Arabs it won't even stop there. When there are no more Jews in Europe they will continue to demand, as they do today, that there be no more Jews in Israel either. I suppose they'll have to be grumpy about Jews elsewhere though. Not much they can do about that.
29. tiki
walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (10.03.13)
It is simple : Move out from Europe !
30. Sane,
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (10.03.13)
All the religions have powerful ennemies : Peace, prosperity and education.
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