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Europe Council votes against circumcision
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 03.10.13, 08:39
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31. #3: Do the Brit, freeze and keep the Foreskin.
David ,   Israel   (10.03.13)
The Grown up males can then stick it back with superglue or maybe, in 18 years time, some plastic surgeon will make a fortune out of "Foreskin Reattachment"! Oops Europe, this will upset the Muslims too, you know! This is just another extension of Antisemitism in Europe!
32. Here we go...
(10.03.13)
Jews don’t read the New Testament so they don’t know Christianity does not promote circumcision. What victory Jesus Christ of Nazareth wrought with His twelfth Apostles plus one called Apostle Paul that went to Europe ahead of the Jews?
33. # 21
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (10.03.13)
Thank you Dror for your oh-so intelligent assessment of my comments. If you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute, as you usually don't anyway, then it would be better in your case just to keep quiet. You don't do yourself any favors by resorting to childish insults.
34. Circumcision endorsed by American Pediatric Society...
Ehud   (10.03.13)
...as well as the center for disease control as it reduced the rate of infants' urogenital infections, the rate of sexually transmitted diseases - first and foremost AIDS (as shown in randomized controlled trials in Africa), and the rate of carcinoma of the cervix in women whose partner is circumcised. If that were not the case, the European Council would have had a point, but ignoring scientific facts makes this a prejudiced irrational decision
35. This only makes sense if they stop parents from
Jacob E ,   Holon, Israel   (10.03.13)
piercing their childrens ears and giving them haircuts too
36. #30 Wolf
Sane   (10.03.13)
Lovely soundbite but stupid. Prosperity indeed allows people to kick against their creator, as pointed out in the Torah. This does not make it the enemy. It is selfishness that makes one discard his responsibilities.
37. The European Anti-Semites never went away
rozie   (10.03.13)
They are trying to reverse a ritual that Jews performed for thousands of years. In addition to the spiritual reasons there are many other reasons for this in Jewish males. How DARE they compare female sexual mutilation to Jewish circumcision. The Muslims that mutilate females is for one reason...it is for the domination of females and the desire for females not experience any pleasure. The Europeans are a bunch of Stupid idiots. Their continent what it deserves. The Muslims that are taking over their blood soaked Europe will teach them a lesson or two.
39. 13
Steven ,   France   (10.03.13)
I am certainly no copy of you! Most Europeans couldn't care less about the ''book'', and yes, you right wing Jews could from time to time use a lesson in behavioral skills because your in your face attitude annoys most of the rest of us. Cut the purer than snow attitude for a change. You don't exactly merit such an approach towards others. Introspection is a valuable and necessary skill in life that you right wingers have replaced with knee-jerk howling whenever your percieved interests are threatened, going into victimhood-mode immediately. If you don't like it, I am sure Belgium has airports from which you can embark towards that everlasting ghetto of undeserved righteous indignation called Israel. Youll fit right in. Until then, please do cut that EXTREMELY arrogant, obnoxious attitude you do display in your last post. You are a caricature of the Israeli right you try to emulate, leaving all the good and decent Israelis like me with a bad name.
41. No need to panic
HaifaGuy   (10.03.13)
Just sit back, relax and observe the Musims bring it back on the wings of violent riots and demonstrations.
42. #34 the problem
(10.03.13)
is that the International Pederastic Society prefers that circumcision be stopped.
43. Yes to circumcision
Lioness ,   Israel   (10.03.13)
No to all the health related problems due to a little piece of mucky skin
44. parents and children
Raymond Jones ,   USA   (10.03.13)
They should probably ban ear piercingunder the age of 15 as well. Poking holes in healthy flesh is barbaric. Nail and hair cutting without informed consent is also wrong. Let it grow, until the child can decide for itself. Children should be able to eat whatever and whenever they want, after all, they aren't prisoners and shouldn't be treated that way. In fact, why have parents? Let's let the Parliamentary Assembly be everyone's mother.
45. #35
(10.03.13)
Or giving them sugary soft drinks and processed foods.
46. #30 powerful enemies
(10.03.13)
The most powerful enemies of religion have been Jozef Stalin and Chairman Mao.
47. Religious ignorance
G.p. ,   Tel Aviv   (10.03.13)
Amazing how many people (particularly men) jump to the defense of this peculiar, superstition-filled, primitive - and certainly in today's world of scientific rationale - barbaric rite. It could have been a very different story had Abraham actually carried out the sacrifice of his son, to be later hailed as an act of supreme faith that should be carried out by every Jewish father with at least one of his offspring and anyone condemning such a practice would be dismissed as anti-Semitic? There is no condemnation of circumcision in itself, other than wondering why any human being would want to have any natural bit of their bodies lopped off for no rational reason. The objection is to the subjection of a 7 day baby to a painful and life-changing procedure (and sorry, folks, but it has been scientifically proved that male circumcision DOES in fact result in reduced sensation) with no individual choice on the matter. Had things been different, and had Abraham carried out the sacrificial slaughter of his own offspring, would that, as a supreme manifestation of faith have become an acceptable ritual for all Jewish fathers from that time onwards, and would the objection thereto in a modern world have been immediately been branded anti-Semitism? Being under the power of any religion is in effect submitting to irrationality on the basis of "faith" over logic. Fine, if you choose it. But what choice has a baby got? As many people argue against piercing the ears of young children - the choice should be theirs. Why should it be different with bits of one's sexual organs being lopped off?
48. Do they want to outlaw inoculations aswell?
Alex   (10.03.13)
Kids are never asked whether or not they want to be injected with viruses, risking infections, allergic reactions etc. I say if they want to prohibit circumcision, they should forbid any cultural/political/religious interactions with their kids whatsoever. Isn't it worse brainwashing your kids to a certain ideology (of any kind) than cutting off a piece of useless skin that actually reduces the risk of a wide range of diseases and infections? Europeans sure are simple minded.
49. Sane
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (10.03.13)
The question is not to reject the Torah, but to let a man make his, own enlightened choice when he is aged enough to do it. Anyway, how about making a trip in Israel for the Brit Milah ? At the end, as atheist, I prefer to keep practicing the hebrew than pray.
50. Go Home To Israel. Let Europe Burn.
ilan ,   new york   (10.03.13)
Who cares? Enough already. We have a place where we can go home to and have all the rituals we want. Why put up with this anymore? When will we learn already? How long can we fight everyone? We have our Homeland. Get out of Europe and skip this repeat after repeat nonsense. God Bless my brothers and Sisters in Israel.
51. Dror , only insults when you can't say anything serious
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.03.13)
Shows your very low level , but this we knew already .
52. What many here forget
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.03.13)
Is that this vote is also against the millions of Muslims in Europe . Calling it immediately anti Jewish antisemitism is wrong . They see it as a "mutilation" of the children's integrity . But they forget something , i haven't heard many Jewish boys complaining about their Brith Mila .
53. Hypocrites and racists
Arnold ,   Montreal-Canada   (10.03.13)
Are these the same European racists that are also looking to ban kosher and halal animal slaughtering. Are these the same hypocrites that love to eat the foie gras from the ducks and geese they tortured by force feeding. What about the terrible pain these birds must endure as their liver bloats.
54. 3 # You do not understand at all
Tambour ,   Eilat   (10.03.13)
This is an attack on Abrahamic religions and nothing top do with a baby's rights
55. #46
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (10.03.13)
Do you know who liberated Jews from Auschwitz? God or Stalin?
56. Bravo EU! Victimizing the child is a crime. Sof pasuk.
Michael ,   California, USA   (10.03.13)
57. Jews and Muslims have options
Norman ,   Boca Raton / USA   (10.03.13)
Jews can move to Israel and finally feel at home. Muslims can pick any of a number of countries to move to. To expect all societies and cultures to accept all practices of all religions is unreasonable. The enlightened attitude of Europeans confirms, once again, that it represents the apex of human civilization.
58. Get out of our faces you pieces of dirt !
Arnold ,   Montreal-Canada   (10.03.13)
They are our children. They are our responsibility. We have been practicing this ritual for well over 5,000 years. I will be celebrating mine on the 29th of October. It will be the 65th anniversary of my covenant with Abraham and my worldwide Jewish family. And it works like a charm.
59. #4
Alex ,   Europe   (10.03.13)
I guess your anti-religious dravel is more valid than doctors and researchers who have proven circumcision to be a healthy practise that reduces the risk for HIV, HPV, infections etc. It's funny how some people will refute the idea that some practises that are found in religion are actually beneficial. And for the record no, I'm not religious. But you're even more of a fanatic than hardcore religious people.
60. Solomon , 24
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.03.13)
This vote concerns the muslims too , so Mike is right when he talks about them . And , there are maybe more muslims in little Belgium , than Jews in Europe .
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