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Israel: Europe Council resolution fosters hate, racism
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 04.10.13, 10:36
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1. Absurd
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (10.04.13)
Just European Christian inbred hatred of Jews shining through. How DARE they equate male circumcision with female genital mutilation? The Jews of Europe should gather up their prestige, their extraordinary contributions to civilization and humanity and their wealth and make aliyah. Europe is two-thirds on the way to Islamic irrelevance. Let's just speed up the process -- it's inevitable, anyway. A quick death, after all, is much more preferable to a lingering one. Leave the Europeans to their fate. They earned it, and it is remarkably well-deserved. Good riddance.
2. Merkel is undisputed EU Project Boss
Norbus ,   JERUSALEM   (10.04.13)
Nothing gets past without her approval. Ask yourself why then anti-semitism, , pro Palestinian revisionism, FUEV, and other Jew bashing efforts go on without her objecting??
3. Sarah B is Right
Jason, Ph.D. ,   Charlotte, USA   (10.04.13)
Imagine what would could happen if European Jews invested their assets and ingenuity in Israel, and left Europe for good. It would give Israel a tremendous boost. It would probably economically devastate Europe, but that would just be Karma.
4. Europe says no to Kosher and Halal Wee Wees
Dror ,   Haifa, Israel   (10.04.13)
The Eurotrashy way of saying Jews not wanted. The Eurotrash are basically doing what comes natural to them. Jews that remain in Europe, I really will not pity you when the Eurotrash start becoming more brazen.
5. I wonder what's their take on earrings for babies.
Ariel ,   Tel Aviv   (10.04.13)
Piercing babies' ears is a common tradition in Latin America. I wonder what's their say on that.
6. Self centered - once more
Reuven ,   Netanya   (10.04.13)
Again - missing the point completely! This is not a rule against Judaism or Islam or any religion/tradition that practices mutilation. It is about protecting a CHILD, let the child grow up and make his/her own decision when he/she is able to. The fact that the foreign ministry is using a report from the AAP to defend a tradition - in the bible / torah / quran they don't use a health benefit as a motivator as it is merely a "belonging to the club" activity/tradition. Seems like some people are afraid of people to think on their own and make their own choices ... Let's all run to the rabbi and ask what he thinks of it.
7. 2000 yrs of anti semitism doesn't disappear
larry ,   LA   (10.04.13)
for some 2000 years the church has told the European masses that we Jews are sub humans. It takes more than a few generations to realize that the church's anti Jewish rantings were false and maybe then we Jews will live in peace (at least in Europe).
8. #6 BEING A JEW - ONCE MORE
TEL EM STRAIGHT ,   SAFED OBVIOUS HOUSE   (10.04.13)
Judaism is about OBLIGATIONS . It aint about " choices ". We are obligated to love and to serve Hashem if we want to be his holy nation. Much like being a citizen also has its obligations : military service , taxes , voting etc .
9. MerkeL????
Jul ,   Netanya   (10.04.13)
Norbus, what is the merkel hate? you do know that in Germany we can still perform Brit. and since one year even with governmental approval.
10.  JUDAISM = OBLIGATIONS
TEL EM STRAIGHT ,   SAFED OBVIOUS HOUSE   (10.04.13)
And if the Europeans do not like that ,they can kiss my hairy arse.
11. Circumcision in Norway..
Beary White ,   Norway   (10.04.13)
After the Islamics discovered Norway in the -70's, the proximately number today is more than 2000. And the babies name, most used, was muhammed in various spellings.
12. #6: Circumcised at 18! OUCH!!!!!
David ,   Israel   (10.04.13)
So don't vaccinate your kids. Let them chose to get the Polio vaccine when they are crippled and in an iron lung!
13. Why are we surprised?
Dee Bee ,   Israel   (10.04.13)
Jews have been performing the "Brit" for thousands of years and the people of Europe have been practicing Antisemitism ever since the first Jew arrived there. What is ridiculous is that the Gospel of Luke states "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb." This was totally ignored by the Catholic Church which has fired up Antisemitism for centuries! No "Brit" misheans not Jew and I am NOT religious. However, I do thing the the "blood sucking" part should be stopped. It is disgusting and unhealthy! Some say that the "baby boy" has not say in what they are doing. If so, then children should not be vaccinated against diseases until they are 18 the then we can have people dying of all those diseases which have been almost totally eradicated! Comparing male circumcision with female genital mutilation is just another way for the Europeans to revive their inbred hatred of Jews, which has become "the thing" today.
14. #6 Hogwash.
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (10.04.13)
It is little more than paternalistic, more-moral-than-thou approach towards what's different than the mainstream some in the EU would like to have. Further... you, much like that EU council, equated circumcision with mutilation. That, in and by itself, is a lie, carefully used to manipulate public opinion to both be against the practice and against those practicing it. Since if it's mutilation, it must be evil. And that means the people doing it are backwards, primitives, in need of "uplifting". And they're certainly not fit to be parents, so we should take their kids away and educate them the *right* way. And that's where *this* path is heading.
15. This is so stupid
Yossef   (10.04.13)
So, if my baby has a problem I have to wait he is 18 to ask him if he wanted to be cured. No surgery, no vaccine, nothing. Let it be. The stronger survive and the weak dies. That's the eternal european philosophy.
16. This has been long over due
Ivor Evenbiggergun   (10.04.13)
A non medical procedure which culminates in a man sucking a baby's penis has no place in the 21st Century Male Genital Mutilation must be made as socially reprehensible as female genital mutilation. If a follower of a stone age religion wants to mutilate themselves then that is fair enough, a child cannot make an informed choice
17. mutiliatiom vs tradition
@Roman ,   Netanya   (10.04.13)
The tradition is that circumcision is done on the 8th day, you may wonder why? why not the 16th or 5th month? Who said the 8th day ... ok it was god. Isn't it so that all that god creates is perfect, look at nature - the balance between all things, from a single atom to the universe - all is there in perfect size/quantity with perfect properties, all made with a purpose. Then explain me why god would make a male human baby and demand that you cut something off? Or if we look at female circumcision, who decided that, no idea. As the bible says, he who is circumcised belongs to the people, he who is not will be cut off from his people. Again, all this is just ridiculous and has no point whatsoever and currently serves only religious minded people. Shabat shalom
18. In another article we can read
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.04.13)
"The German parliament passed a law protecting the right to circumcise infant boys and granting parents the right to circumcise their sons using a certified circumciser" So Angela Merkel didn't do anything wrong here . Secondly , for the ignorant hatefull sarah , there are many more muslims in Europe than Jews . So calling this vote "antisemitic" is at least wrong .
19. Do we have to wait that our children
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.04.13)
be over the age of 15 to "make" them ? We didn't ask them if they want to be born .
20. to 12 / 15
Reuven ,   Netanya   (10.04.13)
Why do you treat your foreskin as a disease? or at least you are comparing it to a disease ... so distorted views you guys have. To Yossef, stronger survive and the weak dies, are you talking about Israel? In the EU there is sufficient healthcare where there is no specific need for expensive additional health insurance ... sure you are talking about the EU?
21. To: No. 16
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (10.04.13)
Aw, you're just afraid that your "evenbiggergun" would have disappeared had you been circumcised. I don't know who is more to be pitied -- you or your wife. Keep your stinking Eurotrash hands off the Jewish religion. Why aren't you out storming the ramparts about infant girls in India whose noses are pierced? Or do you have a highly selective definition of who gets to make informed choices and who doesn't have to? How about those hideous Bedouin facial tattoos? Nary a word from you about those, and they happen when the girl is quite young. What you characterize as a "Stone Age" religion has produced Moses, Jesus, Spinoza, Marx, Freud and Einstein. To name but a few. You, on the other hand, can claim as forebears those who performed human sacrifices, invented drawing and quartering and Jack the Ripper. Nice. Forgive me if I have a problem with your plaintive whiny bleats about mutilation!
22. Question
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (10.04.13)
Has any circumcised male ever developed penile cancer? No. Something to do with smegma, which circumcised males do not develop. Would you rather lose just the foreskin or take your chances with the whole deal? Guess what? If a cancerous penis needs to be removed, the testicles go, too. Those who have always dreamt of singing soprano in an obnoxious Wagner opera (they're all pretty awful) need not reply. All the horns you'll ever need will be on Brunhilda's helmet. Have fun.
23. Dont see what the fuss is about
Tim ,   Brighton   (10.04.13)
Ensure that its carried out by a qualified Surgeon in a Medical Setting And so a Medical Practitioner not a Mohel will judge wether its safe and suitable for any baby to undergo the procedure Its a religious procedure carried out safely for centuries..without so much as a murmur - so isn't this making a mountain out of a mohel sorry molehill Whats suddenly changed?
24. #17 TO ME THE REASON IS OBVIOUS
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS ,   SAFED OBVIOUS HOUSE   (10.04.13)
G-d ,in his infinite , assigned to the jewish people and intends for us to be seperate ,an " Am Segula " we also have a distinct role and purpose in this world. Circumcision ,and all the other mitzvot ( commandements) are part and parcel of that purpose. Man has a role in this world to hopefully repair and improve the world ,circumcision actually " perfects " nature. G-d never claims we are created " perfect ."
25. Israel said its an tradition of islam&Judaism/EU=christians
European Union   (10.04.13)
So what right has Isreal to pressurize and to interfere into European affairs??
26. Sarah B.
David Clarke ,   Liverpool, England.   (10.04.13)
Sarah do you ever stick to the topic at hand?. What has Christianity got to do with the Council of Europe's ruling?. Europe today is by and large religiously moderate to secular so how can you pin the blame on Christians?, this decision was taken on the basis of a broader discussion of the Human rights of a Child, not on any religious considerations of Europe's Muslim and Jewish populations, and is certainly not motivated by Antisemitism or Islamaphobia. That said I personally don't agree with the ruling I believe ritual Circumcision is a matter of religious liberty for Jews and Muslims and acknowledge the many health benefits circumcision brings and strongly support the Jewish and Muslim right to choose whether or not to circumcise a child. However for you to condemn Europe and hysterically cry out Antisemitism is laughable and above all Hypocritical, considering this ruling affects Europe's 44 million strong Muslim population, less than 6% of Europe's total population, far more than Europe's Jewish population, and considering the daily amounts of Islamaphobic and anti-Arab bile you spew out every day from your hate cave, the fact that you scream Antisemitism whilst preaching hate against Muslims, Arabs and other non-Jews shows that it is you who is the bigoted irrelevant hypocrite, not Europe.
27. FULL SUPPORT FOR THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL! Israel is wrong here!
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28. 21
anton ,   istanbul   (10.04.13)
Sarah dear b :) marx and freud and did not belive in god they were jewish as much as i am muslim which is zero eisntein on the otehr hand had belived in god and religion but it was more like accepting the need for god and religion nothing more i would like to end my post with marx quote ;) Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand
29. #18 " ANTISEMITIC "
MR CYNIC ,   SAFED CYNIC HOUSE   (10.04.13)
Charles , for your information muslims are also " semites ." and you call Sarah B ignorant ? ( pot and kettle )
30. So is this statement
elke ,   USA   (10.04.13)
also anti-Christian and anti-Muslim? It applies to all equally, not just Jews.
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