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350 synagogues in 70 weeks
Tal Roitman-Meir
Published: 25.12.13, 15:45
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31. jdc , this michael pretends to be Jewish
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.26.13)
but opposes everything Jewish .
32. Michael: you can "demand" whatever you want ...
jdc ,   New York, US   (12.26.13)
33. Synagogues without Jews
Louise ,   Kfar Saba, Israel   (12.26.13)
Great work, but a shame they didn't donate it to Beth Hatefutsot.
34. #31, Jewish by Culture only. By religion I am a gurnischt.
Michael ,   California, USA   (12.27.13)
By nationality I am an American and an Israeli. By genes i am like you, but racism is also gurnischt. Forgot to tell you about my circumcision, ha, ha.
35. Michael: what is the expected lifetime Of Jewish culture ?
jdc ,   New York, US   (12.27.13)
I am not sure I know what Jewish culture is. Is that a preference for bagels and lox ? Woody Allen movies ? Yiddish jokes ? And if you do not value it enough to propagate it, what is your impact ? And if lasting impact that does not matter (and may be even undesirable to you) , what is the point of these discussions ?
36. #35, Culture has to do with national life, language ...
Michael ,   California, USA   (12.27.13)
Has to do with history, folklore, literature, with anything that adds up to national pride, with everything that is not hocus pocus. Even interpreting the hocus pocus, like what Shalom Aleychem and Mendel Mocher Sfarim did, is Culture. Woody Allen's movies are Culture, of course, which we share with English-speaking brothers. Culture is often not exclusive, it is non-discriminating. Jewish Culture has been around 4,000 years in existence, plus or minus.
37. 14 very short memory
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.28.13)
when you say that you only for separation of state and religion not anti . All your TB's are full of anti Jewish words . in your 14 : "...and exploit their flock" . Not related to separation between State and religion . You are ALWAYS against the Rabbanim , not related to separation . And you virulently oppose Brith Mila , not related either . And you dare to say that you are not anti Jewish ? In your country , if you live in California , there is such a separation I think , so stay there . Jewish culture is also being proud to belong to the Jewish people , and one of the signs of this belonging is Brith Mila , not only a religious symbol . Those remains of old synagogues are also part of our history , of our culture , they are not "hocus pocus" , they existed .
38. #37, Good points Charles. Thanks for taking the time.
Michael ,   California, USA   (12.28.13)
The remains of old synagogues are like pages in smart old books, reminding us to think about what happened and to make sure it will not happen again. So, I am reminded that without a country and without LIVING CULTURE, but with religion dominating lives of millions, the millions weren't spared. The obvious conclusion is that we shouldn't be wasting our time on religion if we want to survive. Shavua tov.
39. Michael , in California ????
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.28.13)
Not only those who went to synagogues disappeared , many others too . Even those who didn't know that they were Jews . But you didn't refute what I wrote about your 100 % ANTI Jewish writings . I think that , even for non religious , knowing religion is important . Giving a Jewish education to our children , certainly abroad , will avoid the disappearing of the Jewish people . I did it , my children got a 15 year long education in a Jewish school . beginning with three years in the kindergarten . Result , we , seculars Jews , live in Israel , and we have now 100 % Jewish grandchildren . And you ?
40. 38 Michael,If your children and...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.28.13)
grand-children are pride Jews ,you can talk of Jewish culture. Otherwise , you promote an endangered Judaism and should learn what real Judaism is,the one that lasted more than 3000 years,the one that makes you a proud 100% Jew from top to toe.
41. Michael , in california ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.28.13)
Not only those who went to synagogues disappeared , many others too . Even those who didn't know that they were Jews . But you didn't refute what I wrote about your 100 % ANTI Jewish writings . I think that , even for non religious , knowing religion is important . Giving a Jewish education to our children , certainly abroad , will avoid the disappearing of the Jewish people . I did it , my children got a 15 year long education in a Jewish school . beginning with three years in the kindergarten . Result , we , seculars Jews , live in Israel , and gave us 100 % Jewish grandchildren .
42. 38 The Shoa happened at a time..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.28.13)
when Jewish masses rejected the Tora and thought that by adopting other cultures they would be spared from progroms.The rest is history.
43. 41 Hi Charles,we are on the same ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.28.13)
wavelength.I can't believe it ! .We wrote about the same thing at the same time.
44. #39, 40: Universal education teaches how to be "Jewish."
Michael ,   California, USA   (12.28.13)
Religious education teaches superstition, discrimination, exploitation of the meek and weak. If a child wants to be Jewish in a way that includes religion, they will find their way when they grow up. If they will ask for religion then, let them have it for themselves, in private. I chose the secular way and it did not reduce my zeal for NATIONAL LIFE. It does not reduce my admiration for Israeli culture and history. Yes, I am referring to history of which Jewish religion is a part-player. Like with the 350 synagogues they filmed, the fate of Jewish religion alone is fully predicted. There is no redeeming value in superstition and I will not bother to drop a single tear.
45. Ora , remember what you said about me
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.28.13)
"jewish Neshamah" , and I think you must know my ideas . There are many points where I share your ideas , others , I cant agree with . For me , the most important is to give your children a Jewish education , in a Jewish school ,certainly abroad . It's worth it if you don't want children who sing xmas songs , if you want Jewish grandchildren
46. 44 Michael,you can redeem yourself
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.28.13)
by improving the culture of oranges.
47. Ora 42 .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.28.13)
I think that more Jews who did NOT reject the Tora perished . In the "kristallnacht" a vast quantity of synagogues were demolished , they were NOT buildings for Tora rejecting Jews
48. 44 , this "universal education" you promote
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.28.13)
creates "Michael"s who are anti Jewish . I prefer Jewish children who know what they are , without having non Jewish in laws . And no need to be religious ,
49. 45 Charles,i agree 100% about ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.28.13)
Jewish education.
50. 47 Charles,sadly you are correct...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.28.13)
But all Jews are in the same boat. Assimilated Jews had the same fate as every Jew .Assimilation did not spare them.That is what i was trying to say to Michael who insinuated that religion is the reason of Jews misfortunes. Pointing fingers at each other.only benefits our common enemies. Jews will be unbeatable when they will be:ONE for ALL and ALL for ONE. Shavuah Tov ,Charles.
51. #48, You played the race card. Non Jewish in laws ..
Michael ,   California, USA   (12.28.13)
Let's expand: non Ethiopian, non Vadi Ara, non South Tel Aviv dwellers, non Ladino speaking. Non Jewish in laws are today much more numerous among supporters of Israel in the U.S. than are American Jews. You wrote some admirable comments here, Charles, and it hurts me to see your racist card played in the end.
52. 51 , I have seen friends with non Jewish spouses
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.29.13)
their children aren't Jewish anymore . And I , as a 100 % secular Jew , prefer 100 % Jewish grandchildren , no problem if they have a Russian Jewish , Ethiopian Jewish or Ladino speaking parent .
53. Ora , i wanted to react harshly on your 42
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.29.13)
Because this way of thinking can put the blame of the shoa on the secular Jews , not on this h......who murdered six million of our people .
54. 51 Michael Charles is not a racist..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.29.13)
because he wants the Jewish people to be unmixed.I think he has good relations with foreign people.
55. 51 Mixed wine is no good wine.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.29.13)
56. Michael , you did'nt react
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.29.13)
when I wrote that you are an ANTI Jewish guy . Against everything that's Jewish . Racist ? call it as you want , I prefer Hanoucca songs above xmas ones in my home . Can you give references about : non Jewish in laws are today more numerous among supporters of Israel .
57. #56, I meant Evangelicals and Unitarian Church members.
Michael ,   California, USA   (12.29.13)
Many intermarriages with Jews are among members of these churches. I read somewhere that Evangelicals count around 30 million in the U.S.. Unitarians are church which does not have a god, claiming to embrace every faith. From "Jews" I know here, many belong to the Unitarian church, but not exclusively. If you recall my definition, a Jew is defined by religion ONLY, but let's stay on the topic of disappearing synagogues in this TB.
58. Michael , You just "demand separation
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.29.13)
of state and religion " in one of your TB's . But you are always ANTI everything Jewish . A Jew is not only recalled by religion . If it were so , you , and maybe even me , would NOT be considered to be Jews . I , at least gave a 100 % Jewish , not religious , education to my children Can you give numbers of intermarriages with those non Jews ? In every discussion the topic can change , only those who can't react , have no arguments say " let's stay on the topic...."
59. Ora , 42 .offending !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.30.13)
In this 42 you put the blame of the Shoa on the seculars . And you are offended when I give a "name" to your belief ! What must I say ? Your "explanation" has a very different meaning .
60. 59 Charles,it was an answer on..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.30.13)
Michael's "we shouldn't WASTE OUR TIME on religion if we want to survive. You could interpret falsely what i meant to say,if i wouldn't say we should not point fingers. I think that we religious people have a responsibility about the lack of religion of Secular Jews,since it is often our imperfect behaviour that move them away Having made this clear,i must add to be fair that more Ultra -Orthodox would join workforce and IDF if there were not so many problems among the Secular youth. Hence if we want to correct the other society ,we should first make our own society more attractive I am very sorry ,Charles,if i offended you . I agree with you, we should not monopolise this site. Have a nice day.
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