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Court forces mother to circumcise son
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 27.11.13, 13:34
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1. That's not 'court imposed'
Sane   (11.27.13)
That's the father being allowed to do the circumcision.
2. People living in middle ages
(11.27.13)
What can you expect from a Rabbinical court that is based on middle aged laws?
3. This story is making news
The Kibitzer ,   Adelaide, Australia   (11.27.13)
around the world and, believe me, it is not putting Israel in a good light. Israel will be a better place as soon as the Haredim are encouraged to emigrate (if anyone would take them).
4. "high rabbinial court" is as "court" as Oprah Winfrey.
Miron ,   USA   (11.27.13)
Good thing they didn't quote a school jury verdict in Rabbit Jack vs. Tinker Bell... that would revive guiliotine!
5. State mandated circumcision is wrong
Avramele   (11.27.13)
This is not a comment on the merits of circumcision either for religious or health reasons, nor on the issue of infant/child rights. If the civil law says medical procedures on a child require the consent of the custodial parent or parents then THAT law should be followed. The rabbinic courts should have no standing on the matter. One more case that argues for civil marriage courts as an alternative to the present arrangement and the monopoly of the religious establishment.
6. The baby isn't a party to the divorce!
Joseph ,   London England   (11.27.13)
The baby should not be a tool in a divorce case. Jewish marriage is 'k'Daas Moshe v'Yisrael' according to the Law of Moses and Israel. It is a 'mitzva a'say d'oraita' -- a positive Torah mitzva -- for the father to arrange the Bris Mila for his son. The anti-infant male circumcision view in Aryan Northern Europe, is shown up by medical research to be wrong. Research in Johns Hopkins and in the American Academy of Paediatrics supports infant male circumcision. In the USA most boys are circumcised, and it has nothing to do with religion.
7. The only 'democracy' in ME?,...
split ,   US   (11.27.13)
A joke ,...
8. Preposterous and bloated words
Avi   (11.27.13)
The issue of circumcision and the divorce issue aside, this is a rabbinical court and as such it cannot enforce its decisions. They cannot force a circumcision nor can they fine someone. I ask the author to make a proper distinction when describing the issue with words such as "ruled a decision" "district court" and all that as one can easily confuse it with a civil court.
9. Serious question, who inforces the
Bob   (11.27.13)
ribinical courts rulings? Civil authorities? Does a religious court have the ability to imprision people?
10. Circumcision of all permanent residents and citizens of
Rivkah   (11.27.13)
Israel should be required to be circumcised if males. United the nation stands. Divided it falls. There should be no division on circumcision that makes a male a part of the blessings of Abraham. General Joshua would not allow anyone to fight for the ancient Hebrews unless circumcised first. ALL in the IDF MUST be circumcised to show respect for HaShem's preference for circumcision because it is only with HaShem's favor and protection that the nation can be protected from overwhelming enemies all around.
11. #1 sane
Avi   (11.27.13)
Technically it's imposed since the 'court' ordered the father to carry the circumcision and threatened to 'fine' him severely. But then again it can't enforce it since you can just give it the finger and walk away.
12. Rabbanim objective judges ???
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.27.13)
I don't think that there is a rabbi who will not order a boy to be circumcised
13. Does anybody know why mother objected to brit.
leo ,   usa   (11.27.13)
I mean besides some kind of divorce advantage, which still should come secondary to child's welfare.
14. 12 Charles,don't you think that...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (11.27.13)
everybody is subjective,concerning Brit Mila ? Fine you are back. Hanuka Sameah.
15. Rabinical court did what?????
Segio ,   Tel Aviv   (11.27.13)
Something is really wrong in this country if a court dictates to mother to ruin the integrity of her child's body. Circumcision isn't an obligatory matter. The boy has to make decision once he'll become an adult. I personally never had a say and i really do not like this. Religion is so due in our times and play as the only source of moronic evil behavior and i mean every religion not just Judaism. Stop it now and let us all be free.
16. #13 - It's not your business, why ,...
split ,   US   (11.27.13)
17. @rivkah
NilsG ,   Helsingborg, Sweden   (11.27.13)
With all due respect, your HaShem seems an odd individual in his preference for circumcision. Now, pray continue, this is fascinating.
18. Re#17 - Rivkah
Christy ,   Boston, US   (11.28.13)
I assume Rivkah is referring to the command to Abraham found in Genesis 17. verse 10-"This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised." verse 14-"Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
19. The Brit Prevents :
Moshe ,   Usa   (11.28.13)
1] Phimosis (tightening of the foreskin which can’t be drawn back] 2] Balanitis (inflammation) 3] Cancer (no cases reported whereas a significant occurrence exists for the uncircumcised) 4] and offers a low incidence of cervical cancer in Jewish women according to “The Jewish Connection” by M. Hirsh Goldberg (a Bantam Book, Stein & Day Publisher, December 1977, page 185) 5] deceases such as those caused in trench warfare of WWI , which re-popularized circumcision.and 6] Aids (HIV) is lessened for circumcised males.
20. Bob's questions
Ernst ,   Jerusalem   (11.28.13)
yes the civil authorities enforce rabbinical court rulings and yes, they can jail litigants for contempt or to compel them to follow a decision/order.
21. Fathers have rights too!
Akiva ,   NYC   (11.28.13)
The parents are not divorced, and if they become divorced there is a tendency to give joint custody. The father has the right to give his son Bris Mila like any other Jewish father, and the court has confirmed that right. In Israel where Jewish and Muslim boys are circumcised the father is doing what is normal. In post WW II America about 80% of boys were circumcised. Today more than 50% of American boys are circumcised -- and medical research supports circumcision.
22. Rivkah #10 & Christy #18:
Israeli 2   (11.29.13)
You are are right about the brit. A "brit" means covenant and every male must be circumcised if he is a descendant of Abraham for otherwise he will be cut off from his people. Unfortunately, there are those who claim to be Jewish and "know" the Torah - but they don't. Israel is a messed up country today due to the intrusion of reform and some conservative factions who simply do not get it. Most of them are also disingenuous Christians who try to sneak in the backdoor. Your talk backs brings great harmony to us Jews. Thanks.
23. 18 Christy, Boston, US: Thank you. Great to see you posting
Rivkah   (11.29.13)
again. Your comments were missed.
24. The child must want to be circumcised. Father=5 min. schtik.
Michael ,   California, USA   (11.29.13)
Really, the father has no decision rights what should be done to child's body. When he performed his schtick the outcome could have been a girl, so he forfeited from the start what the outcome could be. The woman has more right to her child's body, probably, but only in consensus with the child himself, which can come at a legally approved age of the child. With this opinion, hereby put in writing, I am formally petitioning the Supreme Court in Israel to throw out this father's request to force a circumcision.
25. Ora , 14 Yes , we are not subjective
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.29.13)
concerning Brit Mila , but we are not the judges , who have to judge in an objective way . חג שמח ושבת שלום
26. Michael , did the child want to be born ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.29.13)
27. Charles: Nature guided this child's desire to be born.
Michael ,   California, USA   (11.29.13)
This is what we more commonly call "mother's wish to have a child" or "the need to continue our species." You may think you know what you want, but it is Nature which guides your brain and your body in the essentials of your life. For instance, Nature will not let you stop breathing or allow you to give up the desire to reproduce in due time. Even during the Holocaust the capacity to reproduce was preserved under the worst of conditions. Yes, indeed, the child wanted to be born from the moment its first cell was created.
28. michael
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.29.13)
Does they asked him if he wanted to continue our species ?The parents enjoyed the moment they "made" this child , for their OWN pleasure , without asking this boy if he wanted . His first cell was made because of his parents , not because he wanted it . You in California ?
29. Brit Milah is a Torah Commendmant
S Judah ,   Jerusalem   (11.29.13)
Tthose Jews who have the most minimal of connection to the faith keep this. Even that Secular Ayatollah Lapid and his family. And for the ignoramus who called it a medival practive,Abraham who had his boys circumsised lived several thousand years before that.
30. why didn't she get the hell out?
iselin ,   oslo   (11.29.13)
Was the mother prevented from leaving the country? Unless she was a thorough moron, she must have realized that she would never get support from the rabbis and courts in Israel. Why didn't she ask for asylum at the embassy of an "intact-friendly" country?
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