Opinion  Eitan Haber
Israel's empty gesture
Eitan Haber
Published: 28.12.13, 11:14
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1. As long as the Israelis
Mira ,   Vienna   (12.28.13)
do not take to the streets by the hundreds of thousands to fight such decisions, nothing will change, Bibi and his crazy ilk (including Livni the superfluous!) will go on to bring the state down!
2. No connection.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (12.28.13)
Release of murderers by the Netanyahu government is a despicable act. Jews living and building in Judea and Samaria is the highest form of zionism. There is absolutely no connection.
3. Israel's futile gesture
Serge ,   Antwerp, Belgium   (12.28.13)
Why should there be a concession for starting talks. Why reward Abbas for talking to Israel ? If the Palestinians don't want to talk, then don't expect they will live in peace with Israel. This gesture exposes the futility of these negotiations.
4. Confidence-building gesture
Linichka ,   Gdynia, Poland   (12.28.13)
The only confidence which will be built via this gesture is that terrorism is legitimate.
5. Throwing a Molotov cocktail...
Gershon Reed ,   Be'er Sheva, Israel   (12.28.13)
...during a riot is at worse second degree murder, manslaughter at minimum (when a death is involved as here). Intent to kill in this case would be pretty difficult, if not impossible to prove. 26 years for 2 counts of manslaughter and 3 counts of criminal intent to cause bodily harm is more than enough of a sentence served. Deals are struck with less prison time than this on Law and Order all the time. The Moses family got their justice. The Israeli system just made available one more cell/bed space in the prison system. So this empty gesture was a plus for the Israeli side. BTW, I am as right wing as they come, I would have shot him back in '87 rather than arrest him to save the expense of a trial. But, whats done is done.
6. Only one small problem with Haber's piece
fg   (12.28.13)
The whole thing is based on a by now totally discredited tired, but nonetheless profoundly malevolent and disgusting LIE. Namely, that the government actually had any choice in the issue before the start of the so-called "peace-talks" re: "settlements" and "terrorist"-relases. They had absolutely none, zero, zilch as all coalition parties have emphatically proclaimed in unison. When will Haber and Peace Now (Oppenheimer) stop propagating their thousand times refuted wretched miserable lies?
7. I also knew the surviving members of the Moses
A ,   Belgium   (12.28.13)
family, as I lived in another town not far from Alfei Menashe. As compensation for losing 2 (if I remember correctly, Ofra Moses was also pregnant when trapped in her burning car) family members, the than- Rabin government gave them a gas station to run, where I would stop to gas up regularly. I could see the beauty under the scars of these 2 kids, but they were horribly scarred, as was the father. Daud will probably be given a heroes welcome and an award from Abbas, who Israel is so desperate to show "good will" to. And Daud will probably continue throwing molotov cocktails into innocent peoples cars as a result of the foolish decision of King Bibi the Weak to release terrorists. Maybe King Bibi the Weak should stop one time at the Moses family gas station, so he can see first hand the results of a freed "palestinian" terrorists work. Maybe than he will be psychologically prepared when it happens again.
8. No gestures and no talks with PA.
Chaim ,   Israel   (12.28.13)
The PA are mortal foes, like the Nazis. Nor does the PA even try to hide its genocidal intent. No gestures and no talks with the terrorist PA. Total victory is the only solution.
9. #5 "The Moses family got their justice"?
A ,   Belgium   (12.28.13)
What a disgusting remark! A mother/wife (who I believe was also pregnant at the time) and a young child were BURNED TO DEATH! They were trapped in their car and couldn't get out. The father and 2 teens (they were teens when I knew them) who survived were horribly scarred for life, and not just physically. The fact that this "palestinian" filth walks free while the Moses family suffers, after getting his 3 meals, warm shower, TV, internet,etc. in prison, is no "plus" at all for "the Israeli side". It just demonstrates the weakness of the present Israeli government who is willing to do anything to appease their American masters. Muhammed Daud will probably recieve a heros welcome and a warm hug from the terrorist "president" Abbas. The Moses family has a statue dedicated to Ofra Moses in Alfei Menashe and scars. That is NOT justice! And if intent to kill was not the reason to throw a molotov cocktail into a car full of people, as you claim, what was the reason? And you try to justify your idiotic remarks by claiming "I am as right wing as they come"? There are plenty of idiots on the right, not just on the left. You definitley prove the fact!
10. There shouldn't be any gestures to murderers at all!
Rachel ,   US   (12.28.13)
11. Law and Order ...
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.28.13)
... is a television show. Not a war zone. The poster at No. 5 is an idiot. Oh .... by the way .... throwing a Molotov cocktail into a car filled with innocent civilians is premeditated murder; the fact that two of those people died would make it CAPITAL murder in several of the United States, with aggravating circumstance and depraved indifference. Death penalty in those states that do have capital punishment; life imprisonment -- two terms, to e served consecutively, plus attempted murder -- in those states that do not have capital punishment. "Law and Order," indeed. Moron!
12. Fear of ICC is the ONLY REASON prisoners are being released.
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (12.28.13)
Why can't Jews face the truth?
13. PA Islam
DavidR ,   USA   (12.28.13)
Islam is the other side of the nazi coin! They were and still are in bed with the "h" man whose name is too disgusting to repeat! Israel, you are still fighting world war 2. Nazi Germany was stopped, however, Islam was never even considered as being deserving of the same military action that Germany received. Germany was and is a continuation of the Roman Empire. The enemy of Israel since Alexander the Great! Every Jewish heart must shake off the lies of the world. They hate you and always will. Remember there are two seeds in the world. The Seed of the Woman and the seed of ha nachash.
14. Arabs need perpetual bloodshed to justify Greater Arabia
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (12.28.13)
15. Killer release frolicking with murderous spirit
Rinah   (12.28.13)
As long as we live to please the Nations (Goliath), the G-d of Israel will use them against us. When are we going to rise up and stand in unison like king David with 5 stones (the Torah) in hand! Any wonder the prophets say he's returning? Ezekiel (37), Jeremiah (30), Psalm (17), Psalm (40). May it be soon, because we're suffering under weak leadership!
16. I'm back to my old pathetic broken record Obama, ICC, UNSC
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (12.28.13)
17. no. 12 - you are so clueless, Israel released 20 years ago
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18. #2:You are 100% correct. There should be no connection
tom ,   tel aviv   (12.28.13)
whatsoever, between building in our Land and making "gestures", be they of decent nature, or abominations like the present freeing of murderous Islamists. Since it's not the first time Israel has gone this path I don't think anyone is "gnashing" their teeth (not in the government that is).It was to be expected and no one can claim innocent cluelessness about it.
19. #12 The only truth in all of your posts is that the
A ,   Belgium   (12.28.13)
National Socialist Workers Party is alive and well in Silver Bay, Minn.
20. Why We Are Losing
A Yid ,   Tel Aviv   (12.28.13)
Haber's statement that Israel had to choose between a settlement freeze and prisoner release crystallizes everything that's wrong with Israeli strategic thinking. Bibi had an obvious third alternative; Say no to Kerry's demands. He could have told him publicly that Israel would not pay to sit at the table.
21. eitan haber
Dr. Moshe Israel   (12.28.13)
This 'osloid' is part of the root of the problem. The criminals of Oslo that brought the disaster of the PLO thugs into the Land of Israel created all the problems that derived from their mistaken notion of ' Land for Peace'. They fail to comprehend the arab/muslim mind that understands power and force and submits to it. The more concessions the 'infidels' make the weaker they appear/are. The PA thugs don't deserve one centimeter of the land. They were never a state here and most of the so-called refugees were born elsewhere or their parents came from surrounding countries. They could have been settled a long time ago(in any of their 22 countries) but their brethren chose to use them as political pawns. The Jew hating europeans as well as the Nazi-like US State department have always wanted to cut parts of Israel away and take Jerusalem from the Jewish People (like cutting our heart away). May the Almighty thwart their evil designs!!
22. To N 8, Chaim
Luiz F Haddad ,   Niteroi, Brazil   (12.28.13)
I understand your feelings, my brother. It is difficult a lot to talk with people that want to destroy your country. As a true friend of Israel, although I think not all Palestines share their bad leaders, I think also that if a honoured peace becomes impossible, the Jewish State will be legitimated to defend itself through all necessary acts. I hope you have a Good New Year.
23. Free Sirhan Sirhan! (NOT!)
Avi Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (12.28.13)
Imagine if a foreign nation made demands on the US to free terrorists with blood on their hands? Imagine if the same foreign government told the US that Sirhan Sirhan fits the description of the very same prisoners that the US is demanding that Israel free. He is Palestinian, a terrorist, committed a pre-Oslo crime, he's a murderer and politically motivated... what's the difference? Imagine if the same foreign government demanded that they also free Ted Kaczynski (AKA, the Unabomber'), Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (the "underwear bomber"), Ramzi Yousef (WTC terrorist) and others? This is insane!
24. #12 Not mine
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (12.28.13)
25. When Israel last froze the building nothing happened .
Zev ,   Israel   (12.29.13)
So why does the left think it would have worked this time.
26. Good article & analysis. why did Livni buy into this deal?
Rafi ,   US   (12.29.13)
27. #20 ditto
Steve   (12.31.13)
Thank you for saving me the trouble of writing the exact same thing. I suspect however that Israel's capitulation has much to do with securing spare parts for F-15s and F-16s. More than any other nation Israel needs home grown aircraft.
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