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Israel set to get 'kashrut police'
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 30.12.13, 15:46
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31. Further to Number 11. Daniel in Baltimore
Joe ,   Baltimore   (12.31.13)
One of the first American cities to have a law protecting Kashrus was Baltimore. When a court challenged its wording it was reworded and reinstated in Baltimore and New York. This is the origin of the expression 'kosher style' for non-supervised Jewish cuisine places. It was introduced to avoid prosecution. In England there is a Trades Desciption Act which also protects the use of the word 'kosher.'
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Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.31.13)
As you wrote it , even observant suppliers WITH supervision sold non kosher meat . So , a HONEST and faithful Jew does NOT need a supervisor , he knows everything by himself .
33. 32 charles,why honest ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.31.13)
diamond dealers need certificates? Because buyers ask for it.
34. Ora , in our birth town
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.31.13)
there was a butcher , with masgiach , who was caught for opening the frig by night , and putting non kosher meat in it . He received a fine of 120000 Bfr . This happened more than 50 , maybe 60 , years ago . We had also a non Kosher Jewish butcher , Sternefeld in the Pelikaanstr . Once a religious young man entered the shop , asked if the meat was "kasherised" , "we are not Kosher" Ben Sternefeld answered . Honest ! I witnessed it . This butcher told me about "tricks" some used to make meat Kasher ,
35. The government has proposed a bill
Ezra ,   San Diego   (12.31.13)
When I think of all the stupid proposals that come out of government, this one I agree with. Anything that goes in the direction of Torah observance is good for Jews. No one's perfect, no one's without bias,...keep trying to hit the mark.
36. Ora , those Buyers don't know anything
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.31.13)
about diamonds . Dealers in the diamond trade didn't make a selling contract , saying "mazel an brouche" was enough , they trusted each other . You know that the kitchen at my home is kosher , did a religious friend of me ask for a certificate ? he trusted me
37. This is not about religious coercion
Mordechai   (12.31.13)
This sensationalism needs to stop. This is not about religious coercion. No store will be investigated for selling non kosher food if it does not claim to be kosher. This only affects those stores that claim to be kosher. Currently Israeli law is you must have a government kashrut certificate. That means you can't rely on just a haredi BDATZ supervision government must get its cut too. So the question is should we allow a place not with government supervision (whether its self certified or BDATZ) to call itself kosher. I say yes and let people check the supervision. On the other hand those that are under the government kosher supervision its fine to give their kosher supervisory organizations the tools to do their job.
38. more power
oliver ,   Eilat   (12.31.13)
More power to the religious,give us a break this should be the 21 st century not the middle ages.
39. 38 oliver 86% of the world population
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.01.14)
is religious.And this in the 21th century.
40. 36 Charles,do you know how to...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.01.14)
prepare Kosher salad [100%inhabitant free] ?
41. Concerned
Yakov   (01.01.14)
The last thing, the very last thing Israel needs is to have a religious police. I don't want to see it go the way of other countries in the region, as there is nothing gained by forcibly getting people to live a Haredi lifestyle. Also, Israel, as it is today, is a mixed country, with many elements.
42. kashrut police
tomer ,   jerusalem   (01.01.14)
Israel does not need Kashrut police. What it needs is one (1) Kashrut ,not the myriad of different Kashrut "brands",which are only intersted in money making and market share. The kashrut system in israel is corrupt. The believers pay higher prices for completely ridiculous kashrrut certificates.
43. Ora , NO 86 % !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.14)
I can buy "kosher" salad . There is a "kosher" vegetable and fruit shop , with a charedi "hechsher"
44. Ora , i notice with great pleasure
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.14)
that for you [ 86 % ] superstitions are on the same level as your belief , or am I wrong ? . Don't compare those who believe in a totem , believe voodoo , to the Jewish faith , it's not the same . Do you consider yourself as an underdeveloped person ? I don't think so , so don't say that 86 % of the world population is believing , it's not true either .
45. 44 Charles,You are partly correct
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.01.14)
86% believe in one of the many religions which .i agree with you,are mainly superstitions . My point is that 86% of human beings have other than materialistic needs and is looking for spirituality Jewish religion is TRUTH [no way superstition],had influence on Christians ,Protestants 'Muslims,Napoleon [code Napoleon] on America's legislation,communism and so on... Jews have a great religion,Charles. And FREE CHOICE to believe it or not. Happy?
46. 44 Charles TRY 2 I notice with even..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.01.14)
more pleasure that you think that the Jewish faith is not the same as superstition believes.
47. Ora where do you get this 86%?
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (01.01.14)
How do you define religious? Those who go once a year to the synagogue, church, mosque, hindu or buddhist temple are also religious? Is just believing that God created the world enough?
48. Ora , Of course that i will not compare
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.14)
the Jewish religion , to primitive superstitions , to totem adorers , there is a difference . But those have ALL a common point : believing in something that does not exist [ sorry ! ] If you think that todays laws needed the Tora to say that you may not murder , free to you , it's wishful thinking . I told you already that 86 % is not true . As an example , in those stats all Israeli Jews are "believers" . I also told you already that many people NEED a "religion" in order to behave correctly , otherwise .....? That this Jewish "religion" had an influence on other "beliefs" , does not prove anything .
49. 47 Robert,i googled:What % of the
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.01.14)
world population is religious? Please google to know the definition of religion. .
50. Ora , i have seen those stats
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.14)
and the best example is our country , where all the Jews are seen as religious . The same for the world number , 14 million Jews are counted , all of them religious [ ? ] . A poll showed that in Israel for 49,5 % of the population religion was not important . Countries where religion was seen as very important are mostly underdeveloped ones , the contrary for developed ones .
51. # 4 Dan, you compare Israel to irun, how credible is that ?
Moshe ,   Usa   (01.01.14)
52. Health and safety inspectors
Joseph ,   London England   (01.01.14)
The main thing wrong with this article is the title 'kashrut police'. All public eating places are seen by 'inspectors' NOT food 'police'. Non-kosher as well as kosher places are fully inspected, the only difference being that the kashrut inspector looks at kashrut of the food.
53. 50 OK Charles,you convinced me..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.01.14)
about the % of religious people..
54. 48 Charles,If you are so rude to
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.02.14)
tell me, who pray every day to G-D ,that He does not exist,than don't wonder that i flee from you. And don't tell me, you don't need religion, to behave correctly.
55. Ora , 54
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.02.14)
You know that for me G-d does not exist , and I'm not hiding it . Sorry if you can't accept it . I told you already more than once : You need a "peau d'elephant" when writing tb's . My principle is that MY freedom ends where the freedom of others begins , so no need for religion .
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