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Chief rabbi, Tzohar clash over conversion law
Itzchak Tessler
Published: 21.03.14, 01:30
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1. potential converts don't care...
Jacob ,   Beer Sheva   (03.21.14)
about being recognized by R. Yosef or any other chief rabbi but by the Interior Ministry.
2. If the Chief Rabbis or Haredi Rabbis
Sam ,   PT   (03.21.14)
don't have the final say in conversions, they might as well have the High Court or even the Pope who are as appropriate as those "moderate Religious Zionists" convert them.
3. Haredi must be constrained to define only Haredim, NOT Jews!
Orthodox Not-Haredi ,   Israel   (03.21.14)
They must be stopped imposing their anti-science irrational world on potential converts or Jews.
4. If Haredi means trembling.....
Etymology matters ,   Israel   (03.22.14)
at the word of Y'h then it is not consistent with these Torah adders and subtractors.
5. Conversion law
Non Jewish immigrant ,   Haifa   (03.22.14)
And Israel claims to be a light unto nations? Only third world countries have this kind of laws.
6. Conversion
Sherlock Holmes ,   London England   (03.21.14)
Israel's unwritten constitution is based on Britain's also unwritten constitution. Both include an established religion with two Archbishops or Chief Rabbis. One main difference is that 23 C of E bishops get automatic seats in the House of Lords. On a religious issue like conversion no one could imagine Parliament telling the Archbisops how to perform conversions. In Israel the Chief Rabbinate Council deals with issues of Halacha such as conversion, and not the politicians.
7. converts
harvey gefen ,   toronto canada   (03.22.14)
every jew after abraham was a convert to judaism.,abfaham prosylasized and brought nonjews to judaism unlike haredim who chase away those who desire to join our religion,either they or abraham are right.all men are borne in g-ds image.jews should welcome those that want to belong to a small tribe who have been treated inhumanely for 2000 yrs..haredim should remember that king davvid comes from a jew and ruth àconvert whose simple statement thy g-d shall be my g-d and thy people shall be my people .haredim would never have converted ruth and consequently the messiah who is the grand grand child of ruth could never come.dont fear the convert for we are all children of converts including king david and the coming messiah.
8. conversion is not a joke
Joe ,   Tel Aviv   (03.22.14)
If potential converts do not want to follow Jewish Law , they should remain non Jews. There is no sin in being a Non Jew.
9. So the reform movement says the Knesset makes the decisions
Mordechai   (03.22.14)
So according to Rabbi Kariv if the Knesset outlaws the reform movement he will support that because the Knesset makes the rules
10. conversion
harvey gefen ,   toronto can.   (03.23.14)
all men are meant to follow g-ds moral laws not just jews who are meant to be a light unto the nations and not a stumbling block to converts and other non-jews.in the last chapter of ecclesiastics it states "let us come to the conclusion of the matter what is the sole purpose of man---fear g-d and keep his commandments for this is the sole purpose of man".casting light on non-jews involves involves informing ;teaching and conversions.if all converts had to guarantee that they follow all toraic laws forever that standard would force most if not all jews to have to renownse being jews.if abraham had taken that position before or after he converted converts to judaism we would not have a religion.g-d himself understands that jews like new converts will not follow all laws perfectly as we are human.psalms states "the laws of the lord are perfect"as well as "no man is perfect".haredim should not set a higher standard on others than g-d himself..casting light as jews is inclusive and is based on humility .g-d alone can judge each man on the basis of how they have lived their life.consider this if abraham had limited converting to those who would follow each law there would be no jews.the world is much better that we are here and would be even better if we fulfilled our role and expanded.
11. Reply to number 7 on converts
Joseph ,   London England   (03.23.14)
Although Sarah and Abraham made many converts, none of them pased on our values until Abraham had his own biological descendants and Isaac, Jacob and the Twelve Tribes came into being. Ruth the Moabite was descended from Lot, Abraham's nephew and she was a genuine Righteous Proselyte, just as we have many Righteous Proselytes in the Haredi world today.
12. A matter of fact - please don't hide it
S Judah ,   Jerusalem   (03.23.14)
1. Chief Rabbi Yosef is not a Haredi, he is mainstream Sephardi. 2. I assure you that 99.99% of Sephardi Rabbi's support his views. 3.The t zohar Rabbis are virtually all Ashkanezi. So called modern othordox. 4. I challange the author of this article and all other respondants to name me one single Rabbi of repute from tzohar who is a Sephardi. 5. Enough said, let this tin pot organisation be binned, they are a disgrace and a cause of community strife. They hide behind the term moderate religious Zionist's when all they are, are a bunch of snowfalkes with beards.
13. 8 - Haredim have turned conversion into a joke!
kippasruga scientist ,   Israel   (03.23.14)
14. A convert who doesn't practice
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (03.23.14)
Judaism is like a cook upgraded to chef, and cooks like a kitchen boy.
15. 11 - and you know Abraham's converts values how?
Historian ,   Israel   (03.23.14)
You'd better take another look at Ishmael and Esau=Edom=Amalek ROFL
16. converts
harvey gefen ,   toronto can.   (03.23.14)
reply to#11.i would submit to you the moral values that judaism are the values that g-d has given to the world and for all men borne in the image of g-d to follow. in ecclesiastics it that the sole purpose of man [not just jews]is to fear g-d and keep his commandments.again in micah it states "what is everything thy lord g-dd requires of thee o man ' but to do justice ;love mercy and walk humbly in the face of thy g-d".again the laws of g-d are for all men. jews are meant by g-d to enlighten mankind a role that abraham himself had.humility is the precondition to justice and mercy and i would suggest if we today switched roles with gentiles we would want to be helped .
17. 13 You are barking at the wrong tree
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (03.23.14)
18. 14 Ora: Haredism NOT same as Orthodox, Judaism or Torah!!!
kippasruga scientist ,   Israel   (03.23.14)
You should talk about "barking"! What a disgrace!!!
19. 18 I judge people not according to
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (03.23.14)
their opinion but to their behaviour. There are rotten apples in all societies and fine people too. And to me TBers who blame a whole society because of a few evildoers are kind of enraged dogs..
20. 19 Ora - a FEW evildoing Haredim? LOL
kippasruga scientist ,   Israel   (03.23.14)
None so blind as those who refuse to see (and refuse science, and refuse math, and refuse history, and refuse reality...) And you know my behavior how?
21. 20 Did it ever occur to you that
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (03.23.14)
Tora is a well of science? Please read Science outscienced by Rabbi Zamir Cohen. Google him,you will not regret. Of course i don,t know you. I am sorry for having judged you on one sentence that i may have misinterpreted. Kipot Srugot have a good name. Shavua Tova.
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