Opinion  Ron Ben-Yishai
Now is not time to go back to negotiating table
Ron Ben-Yishai
Published: 04.04.14, 00:51
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1. The best Palestinians will get is a virtual state.
Sam ,   Canada   (04.04.14)
Israel need not give the Palestinians anything. Israel controls the territory, The best anyone can give the Palestinians is a make-believe state, a virtual state up in the clouds. When anyone makes demands of Israel concerning the Palestinians, Israel need only tell them to take a hike.
2. I t was Israel who officially brought those terrorists to po
E.M Jordan is Pales ,   S.F   (04.04.14)
Yes Oslo accord in Madrid have officially given power to bunch of terrorist whom their bloody hands have murdered thousands of Israeli all around the world. They were not spoils when they have been wandering one Arab nation to other nation and most of world nations were not ready to recognizes them like now that have support of many nation, make attention how much pressure has coming from European nation to State of Israel yes Israel build them and must pay the price for mistake that they did.
3. Great article, BUT.........
Memphis Slim ,   Memphis, TN - USA   (04.04.14)
Who does Abbas represent? He isn't elected. He represents nobody, not Gaza not the Pals diaspora. How COULD Israel accept a papered over peace agreement KNOWING it meant NOTHING?
4. Palestinian Goals
Nadya ,   California, USA   (04.04.14)
There is absolutely no question that the Palestinians can take Israel to the Hague. Of course Israel doesn't like it but it hasn't stopped their illegal behaviors towards them. You can read of their mistreatment of the Pals on a daily basis. Israel claims their allies will stand with them, besides the dishonest broker the USA, who would that be?
5. Who does Abbas represent?
Carlos ,   San Antonio, TX, USA   (04.04.14)
Why should Israel even continue to negotiate with Abbas? His term of office expired five years ago. The suggestion of taking Abbas and the rest of the PLO to the international criminal court is a good idea. As the leader of the Palestinians, Abbas is responsible for the terror attacks and rocket fire on Israel.
6. What a defeatist attitude!
Rachel ,   US   (04.04.14)
What coup? Where is this state? Yeah Abbas got some empty publicity, but that's all it is. If Israel were to rescind privileges to Fatah officials, use tax money to pay Israel Electric etc and other sanctions, he will see how empty his so called coup really is.
7. What REALLY irks me is the fact that
Israeli 2   (04.04.14)
the Pals demanded to have Israel release their criminals and murderous as a precondition to peace negotiations actually saying to Israel and the entire world: "We will do you a favor to just talk to us if you do as we demand" and Israel simply gives in. What kind of meshugaas is this?
8. Negotiate
James ,   USA   (04.04.14)
I disagree with your analysis. The PA never compromised and only demanded more and more throughout these talks. The writing was on the wall and no one bothered to read it. The end game has never changed for the PA and you could only believe talks are helpful if you trusted the other side. Only a fool would refuse to take a hard look at the writing on the wall today. Its painted in red lines. There is nothing left to talk about except how to crush this insurgent rebellion. Kerry and Tipi cannot be allowed to give away what they didn't own.
9. Israel has been defending itself for 60 years.
David ,   Hartford USA   (04.04.14)
Abbas and his terrorist comrades have been murdering Israelis at will. As a matter of fact, Muslims in general have been murdering citizens everywhere with impunity: Israel, England, France, Russia, BOSTON, Los Angeles, etc, etc, etc. If Abbas is stupid enough to go to the Hague, Israel will simply return the favor and make Abbas persona non grata the world over. (As he should be.) The PA is nothing. Belonging to these UN conventions will not improve a single Palestinian's life. But it will insinuate the rabid anti-Semitic bilge that Abbas spreads with every breath into those organizations. The conventions had better think twice before they allow a terrorist in their midst.
10. !! Pals & Euros Miscalculating
Ovadiah ben Avraham ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.04.14)
Since the Middle East, and Europe, have reentered the old-world political regime of power-projection, a retreat from a decade of policy-by-economics, the Pals don't have a chance. Sure they will be emboldened by European affection and BDS, and thus emboldened they will cross whatever redline it is that they cross, and then the conflict goes military again. Don't expect Olmert-style waffling. Likud will do what is necessary and take the conflict directly to the Pal leadership. The only semi-ally the Sunni Pals have left is Shia Hezbullah in Lebanon. Good luck with that. Pals are alone -- there are no inner-ring Arab confrontation states still standing on their own two feet.
11. Excellent Analysis
Mike LA ,   LA   (04.04.14)
This analysis is spot on! The Palestinians are riding on their high horse, they think they are very powerful going around sticking their chest out calling themselves "state of palestine". Israel needs to bring them back to earth. I understand that this is unpopular for some Israelis but it is imperative for Israel to freeze settlement construction. For one thing it would satisfy the important members of the international community, the US and EU which will bring diplomatic support. It is also the only international claim that the Pals stand a chance of success, albeit slim. Israel must also prepare to bring a floodgate of international claims against the Pals. If the Pals want to play that game, Israel should give them a nice dose of their own medicine. Pals should be careful what they wish for!
12. This Article Fails to Mention the Guilt for Murder of the PA
Riva ,   Israel   (04.04.14)
Thousands of Israelis have yet to understand WHY a people who try to achieve their "goals" though DAILY MURDER, TERROR, DISTRUCTION, ETC. of INNOCENT PEOPLE INCLUDING BABIES AND CHILDREN should be given any credibility at all! I DON'T FORGIVE THEM! (as a victim of terror and my family!) Further, WHY do we need to make peace with a people who's Koran calls for the murder of the Jews! Israel has done nothing by kindness and monitored it's people carefully to make sure that we don't even think about doing any harm to the Arabs. Yet, on a daily basis, we the Israeli people endure murder, terrorism, etc!!! It's enough! It's like a kidnapped person who gives in to the demands of a vicious kidnapper. that's what these power happy Arabs are! In reality, many of them don't even want to be under their own rule which would mean living under great oppression and inhumane laws! Their leaders are worse than a mafia who tightly control their people and kill them for liking a Jew! We need this! WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND BUILD UP JUDEA AND SAMARIA AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE!
13. Ron Ben-Yishai claims...
Susan ,   USA   (04.04.14)
....Israel must pay the price for handing them (the Pals) that victory. In the end that is what will happen. We all know it. They will push and push and push and as always we will succumb for the good of humanity. This is what/why the Palestinians and those who whitewash (the Pal) agenda have the upper hand. Of course we are an easy willing mark, I must say. After all, we suffer from 'Shimon Peres syndrome,' always trying to be loved, admired and pleasing others (by sacrificing our own) at any costs. Having been raised with that mentality I am here to say there is never enough we can do. We can't win especially when we look upon ourselves as the time worn obstacle. We wear this syndrome; this amazingly heavy burden on our sleeves with our cards turned outward without poker face. My grandparents and great grandparents would be proud.
14. ron out of touch with reality.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (04.04.14)
ron is his former life the mayor of Chelm. So the terrorists are going to the U.N. Let them go, so what. Eventually they would go to the U.N. under any and all scenarios. Ron supports an arab terrorist state aligned with iran, in Judea and Samaria, at the gates of Jerusalem and Gush Dan.. Hezbollah in south Lebanon, hamas in gaza is not enough for him.
15. Take PA and hamas leaders to ICC< and try them for war crime
David ,   Boston, USA   (04.04.14)
PA wants to be a state. Take them to court for war crimes. Indiscriminate rocket fire at Israel civilians is a war crime. You can have them all arrested. Go on the offensive. Stop negotiating with people who dont want a state, but just want everyone to suffer. Enough is enough. Start demanding countries around the world move their embassies to Jerusalem, the capital of Israel. Israel should be making demands of other countries, not the other way around. There is plenty of leverage that can be made.
16. Raising stakes with Barghouti chip "Called" AbuAss's Bluff
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (04.04.14)
17. AKA...Raytheon-IMI 120GM DAGGER, developed in 2009
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (04.04.14)
18. If Abbas goes to the ICC, guess what
zioness   (04.04.14)
Let us not forget that Mahmoud Abbas, known as Abu Mazen, the peace partner that Obama has supported 100 percent is was treasurer of the PLO, is the very same man who provided financing for the Munich Olympic attack that killed 11 Israelis. He is a murderer. Next time Abu Mazen threatenes to go to the ICC, which will be soon Israel should follow through with a reprisal, by arresting him and jailing him and finally putting him in a glass booth for the world to see him squirm
19. The best Palestinians will get is a virtual state.
Sam ,   Canada   (04.04.14)
Israel need not give the Palestinians anything. Israel controls the territory, The best anyone can give the Palestinians is a make-believe state, a virtual state up in the clouds. When anyone makes demands of Israel concerning the Palestinians, Israel need only tell them to take a hike.
20. Very good talkbacks opinions
Matilde   (04.04.14)
Cheers
21. You asked that list
Harri ,   EU   (04.04.14)
Go pn breaking your commitments and you'l find soon that your contracts are made in international courts. You need a better leading team. You are loosing the fight against small kid with stones. You are sons of David but acting like Goliath.
22. Contortionist gimmicks
Jacob Edelman ,   New York,USA   (04.04.14)
Israel has managed to squeeze itself into a corner thanks to Prime Minister Netanyahu's arrogant disposition towards Pres. Obama and his coalition's discordant conception as to where the country ought to go. As a result we see an unending series of contortionist gimmicks meant to fool the international community about the true intentions of Israel as far as peace is concerned. Whether we like it or not a state called Palestine will come to be created and the sooner Israel casts away its role as an occupier of another nation, the better for all and for Israel. This terrible cancer is attacking and rotting the soul of the jewish nation and Israel has is losing its way. Should Israel fail to act to help Secretary John Kerry in finalizing a peace agreement, a Tsunami of events will hit Israel and cause more surprises than what Abu Mazen has just done in signing the UN applications.Those who call themselves friends of Israel ought to be cautioning the Israeli leadership about the long term prospects of a democratic state corrupted by its occupation of others.
23. For a start send Munich Olympics Mastermind for trial@ICC
Alan ,   SA   (04.04.14)
Guess who that mastermind was!
24. Bury Oslo. Annex Judea & Samaria.
Chaim ,   Israel   (04.04.14)
Now is the time to put the fraud talks to rest forever. Abbas ended cursed Oslo. Israel must bury Oslo and annex our ancestral heartland of Judea and Samaria.
25. #24 - Go for it!
spyguy ,   seattle usa   (04.05.14)
You will NOT like the results. Israel will immediately gain millions of new citizens with all the rights you have. If you try to continue to oppress the new citizens, you will suffer huge economic damage. No matter what delsuions you have, teh REALITY is NONE of the non-Jewish humans living west of the Jordan River is going anywhere and Israel will get severely punished by most of the world if you mistreat them. After being badly mistreated by Bibi, even the US will back off and let the world punish Israel. Israel is a small, powerless country and once the US is tired of it, Israel is toast.
26. # 4 Speaking of the Hague....
BUILD BABY BUILD!!!!   (04.05.14)
Hamas is being charged at the hague for "Crimes Against Humanity.' It is my understanding that as Abbas financed Hamas, he too will be charged. Now, please retreat into your bat filled hovel. BUILDING ISRAEL!!
27. # 18 Agreed and add to that
BUILD BABY BUILD!!!!   (04.05.14)
should Abbas go before the UN there's a US law then forbidding any future US payments to the pals. I would rejoice, my tax dollars have been supporting not only Israel's enemy, the pals, but America's enemy the pals. Give them zip, shit, nada, nothing. KEEP BUILDING!!!!
28. 16 not mine.
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (04.05.14)
29. # 22 Have another drink pal.
BUILD BABY BUILD!!!!   (04.05.14)
US aid to the pals will end if Abb Ass goes to the UN. Thank G-d! I'm sick to death of our government making illegal payments to the illegal terrorists pals. 17,000 plus Gaza fired rockets made by chimps while the 'poor pals' have made enemies of the Egyptian army by murdering 16 of their troops and by the closure of the tunnels that were Gaza's life line..... Dumber than bricks. You, using a Jewish name only proves another salient point, you envy Jews due to their obvious superiority and, the shame of who and what you are, a mindless anti semitic bigot. Israel OWNS ISRAEL !!!! BUSILY BUILDING !!!!
30. Now it is not the time to go to back and negotiate
Harold ,   USA   (04.04.14)
Now it is the time to refer the Middle East stubborn conflict the the United Nations and let the world solve the problem. Israel was created by the UN and now it is time to create the State of Palestine.
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