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Haredim: Remove women from IDF recruitment centers
Moshe Heller
Published: 22.05.14, 01:32
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1. We treat the regular, insane people out of consensus as to
tom ,   tel aviv   (05.22.14)
what consists a mental illness: with the religious ones it's much tougher. They're also are allowed to make claims within the sane, general population. Islam has taken it to the next level, but I fear that Judaism's relatively benign outbreaks are only temporary, caused by Jewish lack of power throughout modern history. Now it's all changing and for the worse I'm afraid...Not a simple one to solve at all!
2. Without women they cannot give an exemption?
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.22.14)
Secular hatred and coercing of religious Jews is a disgrace. And they still have the nerve to complain about global anti-Semitism, when they themselves are the greatest anti-Semites of Jews and particularly of Haredim. Thanks to secular racists there has been a significant drop of religious Jews enlisting in the army, as report.
3. You can't run away from half of human rase polulation!
Jew1 ,   Ashdod   (05.22.14)
Disgusting! We are turning in to muslims. These people will destroy this country. Fanatics are demanding from sane population and surprise!! They are getting what they want! On passover holiday, one of my religious friend told me that she prefers to do festival in her own house as she can't sing passover songs with family. What? It sounds like take birth from woman's womb and spit on it.
4. Lishkat haGiyus in Jerusalem is no place for a good boy
Gimme a Break ,   Jlem   (05.22.14)
I've spent time there a hand full of times and it's FULL of shmutz.. the stuff they hang on the walls there would get you fired in a heartbeat in a professional office
5. Sensible idea
Sane   (05.22.14)
Seems stupid that this wasn't seen to ages ago What's the big deal? A little consideration goes a long way As when driving, be wise not dumb So simple to arrange. Get on with it, bakum, and grow up, for goodness sake. Doesn't cost you anything to behave like a mensch.
6. Religion
Sagi   (05.22.14)
is the precursor to madness. There is no cure or even therapy for this particular strain of insanity and it is extremely dangerous. It has been known to destroy whole communities and societies at worst, but at best it causes mayhem.
7. Zionists should stop coercing religious men
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.22.14)
into immorality. As long as women plague recruitment centers, haredi men should not step foot in there.
8. Misogyny, thy name is haredi man
gp ,   Tel Aviv   (05.22.14)
It's a wonder these people manage to beget children,, so utterly and insanely sexually twisted they are. It would do us all a huge favour if they saved themselves the hell they see as women and refrain from ALL contact with ALL women. They can take up celibacy and put an end to their frustrated misery - and ours.
9. Scared of the power of seduction?
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (05.22.14)
Says something about the weakness of orthodox education if they are scared that just seeing a woman soldier might tempt yeshivot students to drop their tsitsits
10. Just take a look at #7 and you will understand
Sagi   (05.22.14)
The use of the word plague is a frightening insight into the mind of the person who wrote it and of course those whom he represents.
11. #9 Just the opposite
Sam ,   PT   (05.22.14)
It says something about the strength of the orthodox education and their beautiful holy way of life just like Hashem commanded for ALL JEWS. You and many other posters seem to be quite illiterate in many commandments of the Torah. The halacha "va'asitem otam v'lo taturu acharei l'vav'khem v'acharei eineikhem" , do not follow after your heart and after your eyes which lead you astray, is as important as eating kosher or keeping the Shabbat. Time to get a Jewish education.
12. And the haredim women?
linda ,   Paris, France   (05.22.14)
Are they also supposed join the army? THAT could change a lot the situation.
13. #8: Judging by talkbacks, his name is Chaim
Israeli-American Jew ,   Israel   (05.22.14)
14. #11That's rich, instead: "Follow a guy in black schmatte"!
tom ,   tel aviv   (05.22.14)
Yes, I know, the "Torah" says so...the same one, that was written by the guy in a black schmatte. Deep& beautiful indeed :-))
15. At times I wonder why the Haredi women put up with their
Al   (05.22.14)
Haredi insane men. I always believed the Jewish women to be a very smart breed. Why they put up with these moronic louts is beyond my comprehension. The more the Haredi talk and spew their nonsense the more caring Jews like me despise them. They have become an outrage to Klal Yisroel. They are doing more to dissuade Jews from leading a Jewish life than they can possibly imagine. Of course they couldn't care less, for they and they alone are Jews. All the rest of us are goyim, but our money is kodesh kedoshim.
16. Haven't seen nothing yet ,...
split ,   US   (05.22.14)
Can't wait when they become a majority ,...
17. IT"S THE TAIL trying to WAG THE ELEPHANT
Jew 6pack ,   ATLANTA GA USA   (05.22.14)
The Greedy Hereeedi need to put their heads back in the sand and out of the IDF's business. The last thing Israel's defense structure needs is ignoranuses telling it what to do and how to do it! ... that hereedi's awful reputation is one of completely misunderstanding a third person's interpretive narration due to myopia. You can't see the light if your head is buried in the sand.
18. prevent Rabbi Auerbach's students from reporting
Jewishness ,   AMERICA THE BEAUTIUL   (05.22.14)
the only prevention is auerbach...he is CONSPIRING to direct DRAFT DODGING, hiding behind his obvious faulty interpretation of the Holy Torah... He is famous for his inaccuracies, limited judgement and shocking shallowness.
19. Israel and North Korea are only countries
Yechiel   (05.22.14)
that draft women. All Haredim should be drafted today. All women should not serve in the army. It is obvious that women are sexually harassed and brainwashed into immorality. If Israel would stop listening to the demented settler Rabbis and give up the West Bank for peace...you would not need a draft at all. You could have a professional army like the USA and other countries.
20. 11 Sam. What's the difference between women..;
(05.22.14)
dressed in soldier's uniform , a haredi dress and any other women? It's not just the dress but mainly the attitude. Personally I think the women's uniform of tsahal is decent and modest. You would not tell haredi men to stay at home because some unmodest women walk around in the street.Maybe you should according to your reasonning. Concerning the attitude, some haredi women are clearly not decent in the way they should be.
21. Excuse me but
Non Jewish immigrant ,   Haifa   (05.22.14)
Since it seems there's no difference between a Jew and a haredi, then I would understand there's no difference between a Muslim and an Islamist. So my question is what is the difference between a Jew and Muslim? Or a haredi and an Islamist?
22. Jewish Equality
Simcha Aliyah ,   Port Lavaca, Tx. USA   (05.23.14)
The Haredim are as backward and narrow minded as Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists. VERY DISTRUCTIVE. VERY UN- SPIRITUAL. VERY SELF RIGHTEOUS. NOT GODLY AT ALL.
23. Men 50 years ago were MEN...
Ayala ,   Israel   (05.23.14)
they didn't need the help of women to fight.
24. Haredim
Naftali   (05.23.14)
How are they different from the Taliban again? I grew up in that world and glad I escaped. I volunteered for the IDF and in fact signed on for extra time, because it is an HONOR to do so. People like this so-called Rabbi make me sick.
25. And in the street they don't see women?
Smadar ,   Ariel, Israel   (05.23.14)
Seriously, what do they do every time they walk out in the street? Put on blinders? Maybe women should be removed from the public sphere altogether? I've got an idea: make men and women live in different cities - that way they'll never have to bear the sight of a woman. (No, I don't hate Hareidim, but sometimes they just make deliberately absurd demands).
26. No women
Michael ,   Netanya, Israel   (05.23.14)
If the Haredim wish to treat women like pariah, then they too should be shunned, and rejected as second class. Maybe then they will recoginize the importance of the words of Hillel, "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."[
27. #22 SixPack
HH ,   Jerusalem   (05.23.14)
And you know this from all the haredim you meet in Port Lavaca, Texas, right?
28. IDF needs warriors, not sponges
Steve   (06.01.14)
In principle the Haradim should serve in the IDF as it is a moral imperative of every Israeli to defend their country. In actuality unless the IDF established a combat unit specializing in throwing dirty diapers and burning the enemy's dumpsters, these soft whiny cowards would be useless in battle. Cut off their stipend and let them stay home lest they embarrass and endanger the IDF.
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