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In Gaza, there is no such thing as 'innocent civilians'
Giora Eiland
Published: 05.08.14, 00:23
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1. Israel Too generous ?
pedro antonio ,   portugal   (08.05.14)
This opinion make no sense. Giora Eiland claims Israel should have done to Gaza what america did to Germany : Defeat the enemmy. Mr Giora does forget that after victory the US did a dezanification of Germany. That did mean ocupation for decades. In Gaza after victory Israel should do de de hamanization of Gaza. Guerrila would ensue. Is Israel prepared to pay the price of more decades of occupation ? I do not think so. So the paralel between Gaza war and US / Germany / Japan war makes no sense. Besides Israel has been waging war against Gaza civilians. Not just hamas as Mr Giora claims. Wholle neighborhoods destroyed.., 3 wars in 6 years.., dronnes over Gaza day after day...; This is colective punishement. So the solution is not more war, more death , more destruction. The solution is the oposite : Armistice with Hamas or whoever does govern Gaza. Lifting of the embargo. Start a mutually benefical relationship and not a mutually destructive relationship. Today Israel is the most hated state on earth . I was pro Israeli. No more. Israel is diging is own grave with this senseless war against Gaza and the Gaza People.
2. "Palestinians" are mortal foes. Cut them off totally!
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.05.14)
Never before, in human history, has any other state adopted the lunatic policy of supporting its foes! "Palestinians" are our mortal foes. They harm us every way they can. They dream of committing genocide against us. Cut them off completely! No more Israeli food, money, electricity, work permits or anything for them.
3. Gaza
Keith Johnson ,   Wellington NZ   (08.05.14)
Clearly Gaza is not an independent country - it does not control its own borders. It is a post-colonial enclave that has been abandoned and isolated by its former colonial masters. Or at least that's how it looks to most outsiders.
4. Not too late to take this stand tell Oblunder to
go to hell ,   America   (08.05.14)
Real America supports Israel. The side that is going against everything America believes is on the way out! We support the GWOT and will Impeach the goon who supports islomoterrorist!
5. The First Thing that I have read so far that makes sense
Heydi ,   Winnipeg,Canada   (08.05.14)
Dear Giora: Your words are the ones I constantly repeat to my husband and all that may want to listen to what I have to say. When are we going to completely stand for ourselves and fight the way we should fight? Gaza is an enemy state, run by terrorist who were always terrorists and elected democratically. Terror,death and destruction is the outcome of that election. They are not our collective responsibility. Fighting means no electricity, no gas, no medicines, no hospital on the border (that they refuse to utilize) and no standing hospital from where they fire to us. We are taking chances with our soldiers, our sons. As you said, great truth, we are being compassionate with the cruel and that is leading us to be cruel to our people. Thank you for being so honest. I hope you were in politics. Shalom.
6.  Artificial Distinction 'Gazans are to blame for this situa
didier ,   france   (08.05.14)
SO TRUE Why is there not good politician in government ,israelis need Giora Eiland as prime minister, actual PM is an idiot slave to international and media pression and not capable of strategy thinking.His only ability is blabla
7. Let me correct you
Ahmed ,   UK   (08.05.14)
Israel does not supply gas/water/electricity out of the goodness of its heart. It supplies those things because it has physically removed control of them from the people who should control them, the Gazans. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT AND REASON WHY GAZANS SUPPORT HAMAS. You just don't get it do you? Who on earth would accept all their essential for life commodities being under the complete control of their enemy? Nobody. Even then, what electricity does israel exactly supply? The 3 hours a day they receive before the war or the zero hours they receive after you bomb their rusty old power plant during every war? They can't travel, they can't move, they can't import they cant export, they can't store food in the fridge, they can't get a job. Hell, at one point they were banned from importing pasta (you forget?). Israel may have physically left gaza, and bravo on this political move so that your Mark Regev can keep repeating on the news how israel allowed the palestinians a chance to become "geneva", but in leaving gaza, israel only strengthened its invisible occupation. Israel controls everything that comes in and goes out. From pasta to humans. It is an unfortunate feature of human nature to be blind to others. Why don't your citizens try and live for a week in Gaza. Imagine waiting at border control for 4 hours each day cramped like an animal waiting for a palestinian soldier to let you through to get to work! Imagine every other month your salary stops because the pali government decides to withhold transferring your taxes for political reasons. Imagine every 2/3 years losing random relatives in these outrageous wars. Do you not understand what it means to lose a son, a brother, a mother? One question, just take the last two wars before this. say maybe 3000 palis killed and 20,000 injured. For those who lost their son or mother back then, what do you think became of them? What would have become of you? I guarantee, you would have joined anybody who was fighting the enemy. I know I would, what do I have to live for when my family is dead? Seems israelis think people can just keep getting killed and then brushed under the carpet. No, my friend, they are all very real and they will fight you and resent you and wish you harm for all eternity. As you would. There's one solution israel never tried. Giving genuine dignity and respect to people. How many "terrorist" attacks come from israeli arabs? They don't attack you, even though they are the same palestinians, because they have the basics that all people need to get by. Water, Food, Electricity, Work. Look around at all the wars and uprisings in the middle east. Which countries don't have wars? UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc. Why? Because people have jobs, electricity and water and some dignity. Humans need nothing more. Give them those and they will happily take their other grievances to the negotiating table. But the joke you guys have been playing for 60 years will never cease to haunt you. You might be stringing abbas and few palestinians along but most of the world can see the comedy of "negotiating" with someone who has total and absolute power over you. negotiations are nothing more than wasting time while israel builds and transforms "the reality on the ground". Even then, I'm not saying the palis would be happy. yes they will want a military, why wouldnt they? only jews are allowed to want their state to protect them? "ohhh by the palis will use it for terror if they had weapons" not if you leave them alone. You are not better humans nor are you more entitled to want an army. Believe me, live one DAY in their shoes and your haredis will become your hamas and the rest of your population will become the same gaza population you so despise.
8. totally agree. Always have thought it was the right way
DOV ,   USA   (08.05.14)
9. he finsly said soething REALLY TRUELY inteligent
Shmuelik   (08.05.14)
10. giora eiland is right
CJK   (08.05.14)
the allies fought the nazis with all and every means at their disposal. it is called total war. such war is justified when the other side will not make peace or will not capitulate. jews were hounded for over two thousand years. today jews have a state and an army. yet even today the goyim hound the jews. the government of israel must make it clear to all other governments that jews will no longer go to the slaughter and will defend themselves with all means available to them. any attempt to once again slaughter the jews would result in horrific consequences.
11. 100% Correct
Ron ,   oc us   (08.05.14)
If supplies were cut, prisons emptied into Gaza and left ti the IAF I don't think there would have been the necessity of a ground op at all. And if I was wrong due the tunnels the war would have come to a halt much sooner. Even now hamas is launching rockets into Isrsel. Why not as Gaza eats.
12. Spot on!
MAP ,   Israel   (08.05.14)
13. The Americans did it to Germany...AFTER having whooped their
tom ,   tel aviv   (08.05.14)
Nazi asses to Kingdom Come....! I'd be all for rebuilding Gaza when they say in earnest: "Sorry, we have been really stupid A-holes, now we realize we could be living great lives, just like you Israelis are doing(despite our insane attempts),sorry- let's shake on it". Now that's something a simple man can understand.
14. The collective guilt of Gaza....& the world
tiki ,   belgium   (08.05.14)
Hamas came to power in free elections by the people of Gaza on the platform of.....''the annihilation of Israel'. So, the people of Gaza knew whom they were voting for and why, but although they got 'whom they didn't get 'what they voted for (thank G-d)! That's their problem .....and that of the International Community who 'tolerates Israel & Jews, but doesn't really accept them, due to a centuries old genetic disorder. That's the reason why in the end Israel is ALWAYS condemned & stopped by the International Community for not letting the Palestinians from Gaza do their job. Same scenario for the Palestinians under the new found 'saviour (by some in Israel), the 'moderate' 80 year old Abbas. So, Palestinian Arabs will always come out the winner, simply because the International Community *doesn't like Jews = Israeli's, *is afraid of the Muslim Lynch mobs at home, *needs Arab oil and is there for inclined to always put their money on the Palestinian Arabs and not on disposable Israeli's & Jews! So, no there are no innocent Palestinians, not in Gaza, not in Judea & Samaria ......and there is certainly no innocent International Community who are letting the Palestinians do their dirty job!
15. Dealing with an enemy state
(08.05.14)
You would first need to reach the two state solution duh! Until then you will be held responsible for Palestinians.
16. To No. 7.
Bertram ,   London, UK.   (08.05.14)
Amidst all the hatred emanating from both sides your post hits the nail on the head. The continuation of this war depends on a capacity to eliminate empathy, to see others as like ourselves. In partucular, it is to see one group of children as unlike another group of children. No such thing as 'innocent civilians???? Oh, yes, I forgot how politically powerful young children are. Of course, Israel has every right to protect its citizens. It would be absurd to argue otherwise - but this war, like most wars, is futile. Yes - Hamas acts in a criminal, cynical manner by embedding its firepower in schools, hospitals and other residential buildings. But the IDF knows this - and therefore by tragetting such buildings they will be deliberately killing children. It may not be the intention to kill children but it is certainly the known outcome of an intentional act. To continue down this road negates the moral basis of Jewish existence.
17. Post Shoah Killing Children in Un schools Disgusting.
Zechariah   (08.05.14)
When the Jews arrived Post Holocaust Many were Insulted .They did not fight Back .In reality they had no arms .The Macho New Jew from Yishuv was a fighter .In the end Arms obtained from Communist Czechoslovakia through Jewish Communists and a Tough Czech Gallus Jew Robert Maxwell Turned the Tide against the Genocidal Arab armies .Those who killed the children and women on the Gaza Beach and Un schools Degrade Israel even if Hamas and the Isis and Syria are far worse .Has to be Corrected
18. coorect but obama and EU apolgists would not allow it
iraj   (08.05.14)
obama the moslem and eu cowards afraiad of their growing no of moslems(france and england 9 millioins) extorts israel to placate their arabs on israel's back
19. This is the most important lesson for Israel to learn
Shachar ,   Eilat   (08.05.14)
Giora Eiland is spot on with his analysis. Any people in any area of the world are responsible for the country they have built. Both Israel and the int'l community have absolved the Palestinians of responsibility for their actions. Then they wonder why they behave irresponsibly. If Gazans decide to go to war, they must face the full consequences of that decision. If they fail to grow enough food to feed themselves they should go hungry. If they fail to work they should be left penniless. It is the only way they will learn to behave responsibly.
20. With the PA up going.!, the next war will flatten gaza..
Beary White ,   Norway   (08.05.14)
In the future: The west bank will be emptied of the Islamic population, which is moved to three new cities in the south end of the strip, near Egypt.. Also the borders with Egypt will be total open, and the Islamic pop. live as NORMAL people. THEN ANY ROCKET BOMBARDMENTwill be meet with TWO fists, removing islamic terror from the face of the earth, without feeding with one hand.. And there will be a BIG parking lot at the end of the Mediterrean Sea...
21. Now i CAN understand the motives of hitler.
Why !   (08.05.14)
Him and you have axactly the same Way of thinking. He did not succeed (that´s why you are alive) you Will not succeed.
22. Imagine Israel with no iron dome!
Benny ,   Iran   (08.05.14)
Israel would have been in shambles which is what these Muslim bastards of Gaza, etc would have liked to do. So, their missiles & mortars is purely and simply an act of war-- so utter destruction of Gaza should be easy to understand. How would any country react to such cannibal behavior. They want to destroy the Jewish race so we have to destroy them to protect ourselevs. Simpler logic. God will humiliate and finish these invented people off because they are evil as Satan.
23. Ahmed read the book that God wrote. Ishmael is rejected
His descendants are ,   called wild beasts   (08.05.14)
Caught in a trap laid by God. like fish on a hook you come. Serving a god who is not God but a figment of your imagination. Trust that life will not get better in your end of the world. ISIS will kill you all for being infidels and for losing a war to Israel. So quit your complaining it will get worse no matter how you squawk.
24. #7 Ahmad : you got it ALL wrong
(08.05.14)
What a wishful thinking on your part to think that the reason the Gazans elected Hamas is because Israel took control of their gas/water/electricity capabilities. It's wishful thinking because by that you actually attribute a legitimate reason for electing Hamas. Unfortunately for you and for us Israelis, the "Palestinians" don't operate in such a sensible manner and what you wrote is flat wrong. It's actually the other way around - the reason why Israel started to limit movement and control of things in Gaza is BECAUSE Hamas was elected when there was NO siege, no restrictionns on Gazans, open sea, open air (they even has an airport in Gaza), tens of thousands of Gazans crossing freely into Israel daily to work, etc. etc. So why was Hamas was elected then? NOT because anything that Israel did, but because: 1. The Gazans were fed up with the typical corrupt regime of the PLO in Gaza. 2. It's always an easy way out from their own failures to go back to the good old hatred towards Israel and the desire to destroy it (as is clearly written in the Hamas charter).
25. I hope that this article will be an evidence...
Avi ,   NYC, USA   (08.05.14)
...when the criminals of our army are brought to justice. Julius Streicher had also to cofront his own articles during trial.
26. Sounds like Nazi Germany.
Ben stein ,   Nyc   (08.05.14)
This is dangerous talk that makes israel look bad. If you can justify the killing of civilians because the majority, (not all) voted for them. Then you give Hamas a free pass to say that the majority voted for bibi and his hawkish govt, so they can paint targets on any israeli civilian and be justified. Then please exain to me what the hell is the state of gaza? Are they UN members? Are they independent of Israel by land, air, and sea?
27. This article is a disgrace
Music ,   USA   (08.05.14)
This sick, murderous article is a disgrace to all Israelis and all Jews around the world.
28. Very Poor Logic
Mike ,   Palestine   (08.05.14)
This article is based on very poor logic and lacks vision on the implications of this approach on the future. Aiming to have nations fight and kill each other will make us all losers.
29. (7) Ahmed
tiki ,   belgium   (08.05.14)
""Do you not understand to lose a son, a brother, a mother? Whom are you 'lecturing? Jews? Israel left Gaza and Gaza Palestinians voted in free elections for Hamas and that's what they got....Hamas & a state called Hamastan. So, stop whining. The people of Gaza had a 10x better life under Israeli ''occupation. The borders were open, youngsters were coming to Jerusalem clubs & disco's etc. and life/economy was thriving. Want to complain, go to Egypt! They understand how to deal with your complains. Problem with Palestinian Arabs is that they never stop complaining & shooting, instead of building & bettering themselves........like the Jews did after centuries of losing fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends 'only because they were Jews! So, please stop lecturing us!
30. What a brainwashed "major-general" rhetoric.
Albrecht ,   EU   (08.05.14)
1. Nazi-Germany was a super power that started the biggest "total" WW in the human history. Gazans are almost defenceless third world victims of Israeli colonialism locked up in a ghetto. They are not some kind of aliens. Israel is responsible for that. 2. Only a pretty stupid "major-general" can't have a clue, what "they are to blame for this situation" phrase means. Especially regardless an other defenceless, locked up in ghettos victim-group of the XX century. It is obvious, how this "major-general" is looking for a possible way to exterminate the Gazans on a large scale.
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