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Diaspora rabbis say they won't recognize Israeli conversions
Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 13.09.14, 13:53
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1. Israeli conversions will end up being regarded
Chaim ,   Israel   (09.13.14)
like reform conversions causing Israeli converts to repeat their entire conversion process if they want to be accept as real Jews.
2. What will state look like if conversions expanded?
Sage of the Age ,   Israel   (09.13.14)
MORE Jewish AND with a vastly better image in the world than the present Judiban!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3. the DNA evidence refutes this nonsense
avramele   (09.13.14)
Recent studies have shown that ashkenazi Jews are descended from Jewish men marrying european women. One study identifies a handful of Italian (non jewish) matriarchs . Does anyone really believe there were halachic conversions in all or even most cases? I'd like to see Rabbi Lau's ancestoral papers and the credentials of the certifying Rabbis. Better yet, I don't care - as a Jew to me is one with Jewish connections and involvement who identifies as part of my people. Leave the registries to the anti- semites.
4. Make it so difficult to covert that nobody will want to.
Michael ,   California, USA   (09.13.14)
Who needs religion, who needs the black clad people sweating in a summer heat? Who needs the rabbis? We all know that collecting money is their motivation.
5. We Jews want to recognise our own..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (09.13.14)
people,hence there must be uniformity in conversions . Keep the Tora laws,people. Being a Jew is no picnic..
6. Israeli conversion
Claude TARTOUR ,   Paris / Bat Yam   (09.13.14)
It is tme to start to admit Israel is THE Jewish land. A conversion to Judaism for somebody who lives permanently in Israel should prevail to any other conversion. 90% of the Halakha has been adapted for the Galut. We should now consider that we are not in Galut anymore.
7. Good ! They're loosing power
Non Jewish Immigrant ,   Haifa   (09.13.14)
Enough of these leeches They have too much power over our lives. They even have power on non Jews lives in Israel
8. #6 and #7
C.K.   (09.14.14)
Firstly, one does not automatically become a Jew if he lives in secular Israel (or even if Israel were non secular). Before one can convert, he must be ready to accept all 613 Torah commandments. (Of course some commandments are not geared for everyone, but basically one has to be ready to keep the entire Torah.) Secondly, Israelis ARE in Galut ---under the Zionists. And to #7, look who's talking about leeches. A non-Jewish immigrant living under Jewish protection.
9. So British Rabbis are now the yard stick for who is Jewish?
Ehud   (09.13.14)
Ridiculous - in Britain there are 250,000 Jews, most of them secular, few of them know the scriptures, even less understand Hebrew. And they demand veto rights with respect to theJewish states, were more the largest community of Jews - more than 6 million - lives, all of them speaking Hebrew, most if them with some training in the scriptures, all of them defending our independence? Totally ridiculous. Those Rabbis should remember how easily they could find themselves fleeing to Israel from persecution, or Sharia Law!
10. Halachic shtetl or Zionist refuge: whither Israel?
David Turner ,   Richmond   (09.13.14)
Israel struggles with its identity as "Jewish" but in the struggle loses its Zionist identity. The State of Israel represents the ALL Jews worldwide as refuge of last resort. It was in response to precisely the antisemitism we see unfolding across the Diaspora today that a Zionist movement was created more than a century ago. The Holocaust did not discriminate between those marked for murder and certainly the state of the Jews cannot be seen as doing so. Israel was not created to define and determine Jewish identity but to protect all threatened Jews. Rabbi Lau is certainly entitled to travel outside Israel, to speak with like-minded ultra-Orthodox communities. He should not, as a representative of the Israel Government, be allowed to rally minority support against the State of Israel any more than are Israel-Arab Knesset members. The vast majority of Diaspora Jewry is NOT orthodox. Should Israel appear hostile to those who are precisely in need of reassurance that Israel stands for them, as well?
11. Ashkenazi Jews are mostly descended from Khazars and are
Rivkah   (09.13.14)
not descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Judah/Benjamin/Levi. If the conversion to Judaism of the ancient nation of Khazar (geographic area of the Ukraine) had not been recognized the Ashkenazi Jews would be in the same situation as they are putting converts to Judaism now. I can understand the wish not to paganize Orthodox Judaism the way early Christianity was paganized by Emperor Constantine, the Council of Laodidea and the Council of Nicene. But refusing to recognize conversions to Orthodox Judaism or Orthodox Messianic Judaism is outside of Elohim's parameters and smacks of man-made rules.
12. i do not recognize dispera rabbi's empty power hungry greedy
ralph   (09.14.14)
13. Time to call a spade a spade
Miche Norman ,   Hod Hasharon   (09.14.14)
Who cares what the United Synagogue rabbis say - I remember my family going to the United Synagogue in Hampstead with everyone parking around the corner and pretending not to see each other. Who do they represent? Most British Jews are either secular, reform or ultra-orthodox. And looking at the islamification of Britain, it is more likely that British Jews will be seeking refuge here rather than us there.
14. Lau just spun it 180 degrees.....
HIstory nut ,   Rehovot   (09.14.14)
The problem is the medieval rabbis led by Lau and whoever took over for Yosef. They want slaves to medievalism/themselves not adherents to Torah.
15. #14
HH ,   Jerusalem   (09.15.14)
And what exactly does the peanut of history want?
16. Utterly ridiculous
Sidney ,   USA   (09.27.14)
According to a major genetic study made public recently, all Ashkenazi Jews are descended from about 350 Jews, about 700 years ago. More important for this discussion, DNA shows that the paternal genes come from the Middle East while the maternal genes from Europe, we are all descended from shicksas. Are we really to believe that they all underwent appropriate rabbinic conversion?
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