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IDF intelligence soldiers refuse to serve: We won't work against innocent Palestinians
Elior Levy
Published: 12.09.14, 10:59
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1. In other words...
Michael ,   Haifa   (09.12.14)
...when the State engages in immoral, and possibly illegal actions, against civilians, it is perfectly OK. I believe it is known as Fascism.
2. Not serving
Shlomie ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.12.14)
The common denominator of all the objectors is that they do not have kippa. Hmmm. could be that there is lots of unity between the religious and non - religious about the conduct of the army.. please take notice
3. These fools have no idea the meaning of survival
barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (09.12.14)
4. War is not clean
Raphael ,   Netanya   (09.12.14)
These bleeding hearts should apply to the Salvation Army or to an internship in the syrian Mukhabarat, so as to compare with arab methods.
5. But wait a second
Non Jewish Immigrant ,   Haifa   (09.12.14)
I thought it was the most moral army in the world....
6. Buy them 1 way tickets to Berlin
43Leftwing"soldiers" ,   Jerusalem Israel   (09.12.14)
headline should read 43 left wing soldiers refuse" hopefully these soldiers will be quickly replaced by those with normal survival instincts and that believe in the Zionist Cause
7. #5, Show me an army that acts more morally
Jake   (09.12.14)
in similar circumstances, with the same threats that Israel faces everyday, smartass.
8. While it is not too late
Gene   (09.12.14)
"Those serving in the unit are trained after a rigorous identification process." Apparently it was not rigorous enough for they recruited potential traitors and criminals. Those who are responsible for the recruiting of the new personel must be fired while it is not too late.
9. As long as this protest is within the bounds of the law and
Rafi ,   US   (09.12.14)
... security, the protestors are taking courageous moral action. No doubt this is not an easy step for the participants... but where there is smoke, there probably is indeed fire... Perhaps things DO need to be cleaned up a bit. Meanwhile for all those Talkback bullies & thugs ganging up on these brave souls: shame on you cowards!
10. Please tell me, what is an innocent Palistinian?
Dina   (09.12.14)
11. To: No. 5
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.12.14)
It is. It isn't as if we have ever carpet bombed civilians, is it (Allies, World War II, both Germany and Japan)? We have certainly never killed millions of innocent civilians (Afghanistan, Iraq). Israel has never initiated attacks, but only responded to terrorist provocation. But, hey -- why not just gather up your Arab boy toy and hightail it out of the State of Israel. It's not as if anyone is forcing you to stay. In fact, feeling the way you do -- and having absolutely no ties to the Jewish State of Israel except your Arab boy toy, trust me -- no one will really mind if you leave.
12. To: No. 1
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.12.14)
Do you seriously mean to suggest that the "palestinians" are innocent babes in the wood? That they never commit acts of terror, or anything like that, heaven forfend! So I guess that suicide bombers, the murder of five members of the Fogel family, the murder of Asher and Yonatan Palmer, the murder of Shalhevet Pass -- those were all figments of our imagination, is that what you are claiming? I believe that is called STUPIDITY and alas, it has no known cure. But please do your best to suffer in silence.
13. To: FB David Greenspoon
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.12.14)
Well, I served as an officer in the IDF for five years. I remain eligible for miluim, and have, in fact, been called back six times since I mustered out with the rank of Rav Seren. And I wholeheartedly agree with Michael Pielet. Imagine that! Please contemplate the possibility -- or likelihood -- that you are a complete moron. But you weren't quite clear. Did your military service occur in the United States, as a chaplain? Wow. Heavy-duty experience!
14. Only patriots should be allowed to become IDF officers.
Chaim ,   Israel   (09.12.14)
This letter is complete rubbish. It was penned by destructive far leftists, who should be immediately dismissed with prejudice, for aiding Israel's foes. Only patriots should be allowed to be officers in the IDF.
15. By serving in SIGINT..
Beary White ,   Norway   (09.12.14)
..the unit-members are valuable asset to prevent terror-attacks. Having received the education to serve in the unit, but, by not doing so, they are working against the security of the state of Israel, and should be punished accordingly. Finally they should be kicked out from the IDF service, in shame...
16. need to screen out leftists from such units
david ,   new york   (09.12.14)
this is a unit of several thousand people and if you add reserves, that number would be much larger. a few leftist activists can cause a lot of problems. remember kamm and vananu.
17. Proud of IDF soldiers who don't "just follow orders!"
Jew-C ,   JewLandia (Israel)   (09.12.14)
These Military Intelligence Unit soldiers are thinking about what they are doing. That is very good. I need to research more before I decide to agree with them or not...but on one point I am 100% behind them: As soldiers of the army of the State of Israel they have the right to decide not to follow what they consider to be an immoral order. I am proud of them for knowing that. G-d Bless the IDF!!!!! Kavod.
18. either they do their job or lock them up
zionist forever   (09.12.14)
Member of the intelligence community sit at computer terminals in air conditioned offices, they don't sleep under tanks or get shot at. The men who do have to get their hands dirty they don't always have the luxury of ethics, sometimes they need to do some not nice things to get the job done and stay alive. Its the soldiers who are obsess with ethics who are the ones who were not so long ago saying give the Golan to Assad lets make peace we don't need it anymore and lets adopt an attitude of no price is t high to make peace with the pals
19. CONFUCIUS SAYS :
CONFUCIUS ,   SAFED CHINA   (09.12.14)
" Nice guys finish last " or in other words " ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR ....."
20. "military regime in the occupied territories"
Spook ,   Israel   (09.12.14)
They may have had a point until that phrase. There needs to be judicial oversight with its own thunder (and thunderbolt, clout). But when soldiers talk about "occupied territories" they disqualify themselves from ANY security clearance and become a security risk themselves. Shame.
21. #5, Hamas showed what it does to free-thinkers.
David ,   Hartford USA   (09.12.14)
Hamas will use you and your group as propaganda- you realize this, right? You also know that Hamas kills whoever it doesn't like- for any reason. Jews first, Arabs second- death is their only punishment. Israel won't kill you for opening your mouths, but you play into the hands of Hamas. You don't want to serve, fine. Go work in a hospital laundry for your service. But don't think for a minute that the intelligence learned is not vital to Israel's safety. You read what happened to the family that mistakenly drove into an Arab neighborhood in Jerusalem, right? That's what we're up against- every drop of intel is valuable and if you don't understand that, you never should have joined the unit. Go serve in another unit. And the next time you need to air some 'dirty' laundry' (if it really is)- consider who it might be helping and harming.
22. Long inventory of crimes of the Arab leaders
(09.12.14)
The political, religious, and economical leaders of the Arab people can not claim innocence. They have created a cancer in their societies, which is ailing them. Let us hope that a new generation can build a democratic civil society on the ruins from the Arafat, Saddam Hussein + Iranina Khomeini eras.
23. 8200
RogerR ,   Paris,France   (09.12.14)
Irresponsible. When you critize israel in public, you increase antisemitism everywhere.
24. This Erev Rav look like Palestinians
Deborah ,   Jerusalem   (09.12.14)
25. 0.0086% is of the IDF
michael redbounrn ,   Aveiro - Portugal   (09.12.14)
Let wing rags love this kind of story but .. The IDF has around 500,000 available reservists. So 43 is only 0.0086 of the available ones!
26. Michael
Deena ,   Israel   (09.12.14)
So according to the clearly intellectual Michael- who after reading this article- has determined that "the State engages in immoral and possibly illegal actions against civilians" and is "Fascist". Really. Firstly I would recommend he look the meaning of the term fascist. Further, these soldiers live in a democracy and it is their right to write petitions and whatever. Your pseudo liberal attempt at jumping on their bandwagon without knowing all the facts is not only wrong, but is immoral, possibly ilegal and it might be known as libelous slander.
27. "If" it is their opinion.....
History nut ,   Rehovot   (09.12.14)
They have given it and should be discharged. To question whether intelligence needs to be gathered on belligerents is incredibly naive or rotten.
28. These are the real heroes of Israel
Non Jewish immigrant ,   Haifa   (09.12.14)
Standing up for justice even during armed conflicts. Standing up for the innocents and the poors. Kol hakavod G. Moscatelli Haifa
29. #1 hypocrite
Alon   (09.12.14)
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If ethics were even a minor issue for you the you wouldn't have supported punishing other soldiers who refused to destroy outposts or expell Jews in gush Katif
30. what these men refuse to acknowledge
CJK   (09.12.14)
israel and the arab palestinians are at war with each other. during war, the civilian population of the enemy cannot be exempt from surveillance.
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