My parent's families were all solid charedim and were decimated by the holocaust. In Poland alone, 3 million Jews we're killed and most of them were Haredim. Hungary had a large Haredi population. Haredim did "pick themselves up by their bootstraps" and build yeshivas and communities, but that is not a new thing. Haredim, for example in Hungary, had fought back bravely against assimilation and grew and became stronger from it.

So Mizrachim didn't exist, according to you? In Arab countries Judaism was much more unified than in Europe, where it was divided by many schisms...

What kind of idiotic study is this when most religious Jews murdered were haredim, lutvacs and hassidics and the world of Torah was far from disappearing before the Holocaust. Entire hassidic sects were murdered and here comes a know-it-all and decides that if not for the Holocaust Torah would be exinct. These studies are becoming nuttier and nuttier by the day.

Most religious people had to work to support their families; life was hard and that was the reality that the religious lived in. Most boys who would be called charadi today learned in cheder until the age of 10 to 13 and then went out to work. Yeshiva in those days was only for the geniuses, not for the simple average boy like it is today. The article is a bit mis-leading since it gives the impression that there were only a few charadim. The truth is a bit different: People did not have distinctive dress like today; clothing was relatively expensive in Europe and people skimped to make ends meet. Today clothing is relatively cheap and anyone can buy a black hat, black suit and white shirt. In Europe, only the rabbis wore such garb; today all charadim 'must' wear their uniform and feel that they 'must' stay in yeshiva. The changes in time should be reflected in the study to indicate the difference between their society and ours. But one thing can not be denied: the emergence of a gigantic and faithful 'charadi' sub-culture.

The revival of the Haredi hebrew style and life specially expanding worlwide from Medinat Israel,not all of course ,but important, should be studied acompanied with the revival of Modern extreme Islam in arabic region (like Qutub and Bana from Egypt that were continued or not with some of today extreme islam feelings may be,not all of course ) after World War II .Also what happened in the 1970s after Yom Kipurs war of 1973 and Camp David Peace Treaty with Egypt a really very important fact for Hebrew life (with the aftermath of the end of the narrative of the Big Territorial Israel , that included the historical Sinai desert conquered in Six days war in 1967 ) and the Khomeinis revolution in Teheran .. Middle East is all connected in this religious issues (look at the Bible and the Coran narrative ,for example Abraham fathership of both sides and Ismael origins ) Why is all this interelations......... who knows for real? About Shoa . in Nazi Germany during 1933-1939 , a southamerican researcher i meet sometime ago concluded after an investigation that germans hebrews specialized in law (law from constitutional codes) rather than in laws friom the biblical side ,and hebrews from other professions,finally , managed to escape sooner or better than the others from Nazi Germany during 1933-1939. Modifications of laws and rights made by nazis germans were very shadowy (during all this time) and were perceived quickly and thoroughly by germans hebrews specialized in laws and rights Their response action was to leave or to escape as soon as possible from Nazi Germany .No way back It wasnt easy anyway,but urgent That was the final conclusion of the southamerican researcher about this subject A very complex subject all this Hope i had helped a little in this uncertainty or not that comes from long time ago Congratulations Ynetnews for an interesting reading material included in this article..

MILLIONS of lives would have been saved. WHY did the rebbes tell them to stay on the galuy? THAT was our mistake.

As far as the Mo'etzet G'dolei Torah were concerned, the Mizrahiim don't exist. Find ONE single Mizrahi on the Torah Sages Council. There are none and never have been. The Ashkenazi Haredim are among the most racist people in the world-- rivaling the genuine, old-fashioned Southern US Redneks at times.

Check your statistics. While Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and a few other Eastern European countries did have significant Haredi populations, they were far from the majority of those murdered in the Shoah. When a Haredi sect numbers 10,000 or less, and live in a small geographic area, it becomes easy to wipe it out. Assimilated and secular Jews were far more numerous and dispersed, making it harder to collect and murder them all. Then there's the fact that many of the Haredi leaders convinced their followers to remain in their homes and "ride out the storm", making it even easier for their murderers to find them... while some of those "leaders" left their followers behind and went to the Americas to start new communities, leaving their old ones to be murdered while they fled like the cowards they were.

abandoned in masses their father's belief, attracted by new modern cultures.

... and nice temperature...

Madame Ora seems to be in denial if it wasn't for the Haredi birth rate here in Israel we would already be a minority so she expresses both fear and jealousy and I say this as a secular Jew.

“The six million Holocaust victims were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things which should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone.”

Perhaps it's a wish list by chilonim, but it was never so, far from reality. Europe was flourishing with charedim, chassim, anshei maaseh, lomdei torah and yirei Hashem. The Zionists were about a handful and secular were indeed a lot but far far less than chareidim. The majority of the 7 million Jews killed were chareidim.

You guys really need to get out from the hospital and move on!!!!

haredim in their families and among their friends, something they themselves never heard of and are very disappointed and bitter about. This is a totally warped study, complete opposite from the truth when entire millions of chassidim and other charedim were wiped out. Zionists, on the other hand, hardly existed before the war.

charedim not observing secular Zionists meshugas of standing two minutes like idiots in memory of the victims. Why should they? Do those who perished gain anything from standing dumb? This study has overlooked that charedim observe the millions of charedim who perished in the Holocaust with special prayers on Tisha b'Av together with other kedoshim and the churban of the 2 Bais Hamikdash which the secular Zionists don't.

Without the Holocaust it's likely the Torah world would have become extinct. I hope this has been taken out of context. The survival of the Torah world beyond the Holocaust is a manifestation of Divine Providence, and no accident. See Rabbi Elchanon Wasserman's book Footsteps of The Messiah.

"some rebbes escaped the Nazis by the skin of their teeth while their followers were left behind." ,... Not some but many, most of them with their flock's life savings and jewelry that they advised to deposit in their safes due to uncertain times or prior to one-way trip to unknown destination ,...

misinterpreted my TB which was an answer to 1

who claim that assimilation and secular Jews brought on the Holocaust. On the other hand, most Jews were G-d fearing and the Holocaust might have brought secular Jews back to their fold.

The connection between the Shoah and the Growth of the sect called Haredim is termed by the author as "myth" as in the following quote: "The day of salvation strengthened the myth of the Torah rescue miracle in our time......"In the USA there is a very successful publishing house that has created an entire literature to confirm this myth. Many people in Israel today take pride in the fact that that numerically there are many more people studying Torah today than in pre-war Europe> Do we really have to thank the Shoah for this?

Wishful secular thinking and more proof that you can often tailor a research project to fit preconceptions. In 1949 a year after the State of Israel's founding and a few years after the holocaust the conventional wisdom was that the Haredim had no future since 1. many were murdered in the holocaust 2. Haredim weren't "protected from the holocaust" many would lose faith in the power of Haredi Judaism. 3. the success and "miracle" of modern Zionism would disprove the mostly anti-modern Zionist Haredim. The seemingly bleak future of the Haredim was probably what led Ben-Gurion to allow (out of pity and nostalgia) Haredi Yeshiva students an exemption from army service. It seems to me that the Haredim have succeeded and grown despite reasons 1-3 and DESPITE the holocaust.

The article makes no sense other than to print hearsay and innuendo. daisy Mayer is correct but we Ashkenazim think our poop is the only important poop. The frumies are an economic burden and do not fight for their country. Gears hon is correct. At the rate they reproduce it will bankrupt Israel in social programs. But what's the alternative.

And these reasons give rise to the renewal of the covenant, Jeremiah 31. The progeny is lacking. Prophesy has been fulfilled. If I were Jewish and it would be said that this be the command of the Lord, I'd be looking to know everything is in order to know something would be exacted from me. The ultra-Orthodox will be the front line for the fight for the Peace to come. The reverse order to the one like Moses would take the best of the best. This would be for the show, like show and tell. Only to go into their world. One like Moses and like David.

The provocative title of the article does not represent my premise. I deeply regret giving that interview that had caused me a lot of damage ever since it was published, over four years ago. The editor of the website had given that title that can't be found in my written study. He obviously got what he wanted (Click baits) and I got my lesson. Unfortunately, most people read only the titles and don't read the whole article, not to mention the original study.
Needless to say that I would never suggest reasons for the Holocaust. I employ the tools of the professional historian to illuminate the process by which the Ultraorthodox memory of the Holocaust was transformed into an instrument for enlisting society in the enterprise of rebuilding, by transmuting the consciousness of the tragedy into a carefully nurtured memory of an idyllic Ultraorthodox world in interwar Eastern Europe and the assertion of a direct continuity between that vanished world and life in Israel here and now. If you read Hebrew, you can read more here https://www.ybz.org.il/?CategoryID=691&ArticleID=5998#.Xe3vruhvZPY If you don't, an English version of my book is forthcoming (March 2020, IUP).