Opinion  Sever Plocker
Why are Israelis sleepwalking toward a one-state solution?
Sever Plocker
Published: 03.11.14, 10:22
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1. Where is everybody? HereĀ“s the answer:
Scharp ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.03.14)
They are living their lives. Busy with jobs, family, the economy - with the myriads of details in ordinary lives. A mass protest, mass-demonstrations, are extreme events, exceptions. When it comes to economy or the diplomatic drama - people know that there are no quick fixes. Having said that - the diplomatic tension will increase during the first part of 2015. There might be unexpected events, and people might react and act in unexpected ways. Mr. Plocker has to be patient.
2. The silent Israeli majority
tiki ,   belgium   (11.03.14)
The silent Israeli majority understands that there needs to be a two state solution. Yes, they do! One for Jews (Israel) and one for Palestinians (Jordan)! The silent majority of Israel understands as well that the Palestinians don't have right to three "Palestine's. Jordan = Palestine ( Palestinian majority) Gaza = Palestine (Palestinian Majority) Judea & Samaria = Palestine (the ancient Jewish lands are Palestine to, even the parts next to Israel). **ISRAEL = PALESTINE according the Palestinian charter, flags & mindset. A mixture of the above is the "Palestine" they are talking about and Israel is the disturbing factor! According the "Palestinians", they are the indigenous people of Israel, Jerusalem, Judea & Samaria and Jews have no rights for their history is based on lies and they are just invaders who stole the lands. That's what the 'silent majority has finally understood and good that they did!
3. I love Israel ! I really do
Lynx ,   Palestine   (11.03.14)
Israelis, I love Israel. Although I'm a Palestinian I admire the accomplishments of the State of Israel and wish you would annex all the West Bank and Gaza Strip. I'm sure most Palestinians (even abroad, the refugees) can't wait to swear allegiance to Greater Israel where we will have voting power, abolish racism, and open our country to the whole universe as a beacon of social harmony, coexistence and peace. Please by all means, continue to build settlements, continue to annex, but stop your evil practices of home demolitions, and other racist behaviors. Long live Israel!
4. Israelis are sleeping
Non Jewish Immigrant ,   Haifa   (11.03.14)
I have been saying that for a while already
5. There already IS a two state solution:
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (11.03.14)
Israel and the terror entity Gaza ! The Arab squatters of Judea and Samaria can move out...
6. A better question
(11.03.14)
Why are leftists so dumb and naive and foolishly still believe that anyone can make peace with Arabs?
7. Most of Israel will Prepare for Armageddon
Zechariah   (11.03.14)
Most of Judae and Samariah will be Militirized not settled by either Jew or Arab but by massed Military formations protecting the Jews and Arabs in Israel and also Europe from Attacks by PyschoSadistic Death Cults
8. The radical left always thinks that they are never wrong
Zev ,   Israel   (11.03.14)
and that they are the majority. The elections prove that it is not true.
9. Protest demonstrations
Moshe ,   Israel   (11.03.14)
Why the leftists don't organize for a change a rally against the intransigent Palestinians ? Their stubborn precondition for "the right of return" for example, if materialized, will also create a bi-national state. Their unwavering insistence on Israel's full withdrawal to the 1966 lines is even a greater threat. Thus, most settlement constructions are not obstacles to the two-state solution, because there are areas, like the big blocs in West Bank, which will remain under Israel's rule in any peace treaty.
10. Plocker's Lamentations
Brod ,   USA   (11.03.14)
Plocker laments about a one-state solution. Why would true Jews want the Land of Israel to be taken over by Arab Islamist-Jihadists, Usurpers and Occupiers? If they think there will be peace by being stupid, they are living in fantasyland indeed. Fortunately, the silent majority does not agree with Plocker's Leftism that hates a one-state solution of preserving and defending the Land of Israel-Judea and Samaria-Israel's Liberated Historic and Biblical Homeland. The fact is GOD gave and restored the Land of Israel to the Nation of Israel. Two thousand seven hundred years ago, Jewish Prophets like Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Amos prophesied that GOD would restore the Children of Israel from Diaspora back to their Historic and Biblical Homeland-Land of Israel and make the desolate land bloom again. This prophecy was fulfilled in the 20th century. Opponents to the Land of Israel are the most racist and apartheid who want to be separate from the rest of the world. Binational or multiracial racial society is the norm of all democracies that are opposed to racism and apartheid. It is the Arab Islamist-Jihadists, Usurpers and Occupiers that hate democracy and freedom, and are racists. They want to cleanse Jews from the Land of Israel. They invade Christian and Jewish lands and ravage and cleanse Christians, Jews and others from their historic homelands. The Leftists seem to extol such model of apartheid. Contrary to the lamentations of Leftism, the one-state solution is the best for Israel to ensure its existence and deterrence.
11. Oh, they are protesting!
J ,   Tel Aviv > Berlin   (11.03.14)
With their feet (as in moving away for good from Israel before the next war and double digit increase in home prices.)
12. Israelis claim our land and reject leftist B.S.
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.03.14)
What really worries Plocker is that an ever increasing majority of Israelis are claiming our ancestral heartland of Judea and Samaria. While rejecting the hoaxes and B.S. of infallibly wrong leftists like himself. The Arab "population bomb" is a long debunked hoax. Most "Palestinians" want to leave. Israel needs to help them
13. Another question
Boss ,   israel   (11.03.14)
Sever - You were great when you wrote about economics. Why did you stop? As far as I can see everything that you have written about Arab-Israeli relations has been wrong.
14. The sensible solution
Wise Saba ,   Eretz Yisrael   (11.03.14)
The only sensible solution is Israel on the entire West Bank of the Jordan River & Jordan/Palestine, where over 80% of the population are palestinian on the East Bank of the river. Two states for two people. If any arabs want to continue living here in Israel, they can with full rights, except the right to vote in national elections.
15. #5 Transjordan (Jordan) signed a peace treaty with Israel
Lynx ,   Palestine   (11.03.14)
Therefore your preposterous and outrageous statement that Jordan should take another 4 million Palestinians from the West Bank/Israel proper is so ridiculous, unrealistic, and not to mention downright racist and evil. I bet the clothes on my back that most Israelis also perceive you as a lunatic - so do yourself a favor and go see a doctor rather than babble endlessly here about so-called Transfer option (which is really Plan Dalet, nakedly and unshamedly parading as a solution).
16. Israel has ONLY three long term options
spyguy ,   seattle usa   (11.03.14)
No matter what fantasies Israelis conjure up, there are ONLY three long term options for Israel and one of them will be forcibly imposed on Israel in the near future: (1) DIVIDE the land and water as fairly as possible. Given "facts on the ground," this is now impossible without an Israel civil war. The settler situation has gone past the point of no return. (2) SHARE the land and water following the USA model where every human west of the Jordan River is a FULL CITIZEN of a secular Israel. As the article points out, this is the most likely future for Israel. (3) Ethnic cleansing where Israel follows Sarah's delusions and tries to "transfer," "expel," or whatever euphemism will be used for ethic cleansing. The BIG problem is, this will lead to massive war, which will just get lots of Israelis killed and will very probably lead to the end of Israel. Yes, I know that Israel won the last six wars, but the Arabs are a LOT more powerful these days and have many powerful partners. Israel has only the USA (sort of). So, as the article points out, now is probably a good time for ALL Israelis to think deep thoughts about what type of country they want in a few years because the world is changing rapidly and Israel is going to get steamrolled if it doesn't do some serious thinking.
17. Plocker is delusional
Sidney ,   USA   (11.03.14)
There is no peace partner. Abbas just praised an assassin, "Abbas says Glick shooter will go to heaven as martyr". Abbas is a duplicitous liar and Hamas is worse. Despite all the fear-mongering from the Left, the "world" cannot force a bi-national state on Israel. For one thing, the great champions of the Palestinians are academic second raters and political elites, the people dislike Muslims and are indifferent to Palestinians. Sanctions against Israel wont work. If the Palestinian Authority dissolves, Israel can create a Palestinian government as a commonwealth like our Puerto Rico. Disloyal Israeli Arabs can be moved to it. Israel should get rid of its ghetto mentality.
18. The disaster of a one state solution
Avramele   (11.03.14)
There is no one state solution acceptable to a majority of Israeli Jews that would not involve a combination of apartheid, massive transfer and a legal second class status for remaining Arabs. To move in such a direction would guarantee perpetual war, isolation and the debasement of the Zionist dream. With enough force you can occupy land and expel populations. You cannot occupy peoples hearts minds and soul. Of all peoples we Jews understand this all too well.
19. Government was in peace talks.There is no peace to be had.
Sam ,   Canada   (11.03.14)
This government and previous governments,Left and Right, have been in peace talks. There is no peace to be had because Palestinians reject a Jewish Israel. That's without even getting into Jerusalem etc. So, the building will go on and Israel won't annex the territory. The Left can continue to offer concessions which the Palestinians will take but change nothing. If the Palestinians ever want peace they will let us know.
20. The Flocker is full of it, again.
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (11.03.14)
21. Why do muslims want to annihilate the Jews?!
CJK   (11.03.14)
the muslims admit that we love life while they love death.
22. one good state
jochair ,   kfar saba Israel   (11.03.14)
Assuming the Palestinians go elsewhere the One state solution is perfect.building Jewish homes pushes the Palestinians away, nothing delusional about this, but journalists are the same everywhere: Palestinian complaints about injustices combined with antisemitism, that is the real illusion. many people do not like Jews, because they lesarn about the death of one Jew called Jesus. and that is so much worse a crime than anything moslims do. So people prefer Islam go figure.
23. Sever Plocker et al
M.C.   (11.03.14)
Understanding the mind set of Plocker and his ilk is an insoluble riddle! How many times does Abbas have to repeat his terms? how many times has he glorified and indeed called for the murder of Jews? how often do we have to hear that his intention is the destruction of the state of Israel!!! Israel is a sovereign state and doesn't have to answer to 'the world' for it's existence. The disastrous 2 state solution is dead!! and needs burying for good. Where is Israeli self respect? The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people and cannot be shared with terrorists! Jordan is Palestine. Time to bring out the Levey report is long overdue! The 'silent 'Israeli need to wake up and claim his true rights and inheritance and not remain in the seat of the victim! How can we expect 'world' support if we don't show it who we really are?
24. Israel is a lost cause
(11.03.14)
In a few decades it will be just another Arab dominated state in Middle East. It's really a pity because it had such a great potential. But greed for land is a cancer that will eat it alive.
25. We are not sleeping
i ,   jerusalem   (11.03.14)
We are waiting, just as the Arabs are waiting. They wait for the opportune time to push us into the sea, and we wait for the opportune time to push them back into the Hejaz.
26. Rick S Geiger - FB
Robert ,   London   (11.03.14)
I am interested, genuinely, what your vision is and how you see things playing out. I agree with many reasons why forging peace with the Palestinians should not happen, but I am interested to know what your vision would be for an alternative. I look forward to hearing from you.
27. Reality Needs to be Respected
Jason, Ph.D. ,   Charlotte USA   (11.03.14)
Of course there is no making peace with the Palestinians. On the other hand, those of you who say the Pals should just go to Jordan are also delusional. They are unlikely to do that. For those of you who think Israel should annex the W. Bank, do you have the stomach to expel the Palestinians? If they are not expelled, then Israel will be a state that is 60% Jewish? Is that acceptable? I think not. If Israel is going to expel the Pals, then it needs detailed plans on how to respond to the international reaction, etc. You cannot just wish everything will turn out alright. You need to face reality and plan for it.
28. #27. Read Caroline Glicks' "The Israeli Solution".
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.03.14)
Permanent and total Israeli sovereignty over all of Judea and Samaria is not only feasible. It is the only real solution. Israel is winning the demographic war, as Glick irrefutably demonstrates. Most "Palestinians" want to leave. Israel need only help them do so and the "Palestinian" problem is solved forever.
29. Answer;because of US administration.
Ian ,   Newcastle upon Tyne   (11.03.14)
There is a US administration which not only doesn't recognise that Jerusalem is capital city of the State of Israel,it doesn't even regard Jerusalem,any of it,to be in the State of Israel. Should Israel's government do the rational thing to protect Israel's integrity and security which is to withdraw from the parts of Judea and Samaria which are unnecessary and annex the rest,the sky would fall in. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
30. Well Spoken #16
World Citzen ,   the world   (11.03.14)
The Israelis really don't have much time left. They have delayed any rational thought on this subject and it's going to hurt them in the end. Oh well, what can you say? They were warned and chose not to listen.
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