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Rabbis: French aliyah will lead to assimilation
Moshe Heller
Published: 24.01.15, 23:59
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1. Noachidic Laws are Holy
Zechariah   (01.25.15)
The Noachidic Laws are very wholesome and Non Jews who observe them go to Heaven according to the Law .Many Jews in Israel don't even keep these Laws .The Haredim not serving in the IDF may be breaking the Law of Pikuach Nefesh for fellow Jews .
2. The 18th Century Cults Disaprove
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (01.25.15)
Frankly I hope thousands of mixed marriage Jews opt for aliyah. The black hatter cults need to stop trying to force their 18th century BS on modern Israel.
3. Why was Israel established
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (01.25.15)
It was established as a homeland for Jews. Not 18th Century black hat cultists who pretend they are the only Jews. But for ALL Jews (sadly even the black hatters). France and especially French Jews have experienced a trauma and these so called Rabbis have the audacity to tell ANYONE they are not welcome? That people should wait for the Mashiach? What kind of people can these Rabbis be that they would attempt to exclude people who are fleeing an anti-Jewish culture to a homeland created specifically for Jews?! Are they so bigoted that they only want more black hats? Here's a question for them...if only black hats make aliyah who will supply the money to the dole so they can continue to shnor off society?
4. Haredim and French altah
Flo ,   Israel   (01.25.15)
French Jews are in serious trouble! Why did we absorb all those Russians with fake Jewish papers! 1 million Russians and barely a third Jewish! And now the Ukrainians! Bringing Xmas customs and pork and all their great stuff! French Jews don't want to leave French but they have to, they are in serious death danger!
5. Discard these old fossils
Dan   (01.25.15)
These cadavers masquerading as religious authorities must be recognised for what they are - bigoted fossils of a long-ended era - and completely ignored. Is Israel going to make itself a tiny private zoo of one species, or be part of the always evolving, progressing and increasingly multi-cultural world?
6. Hot news, over 60% of the French Jews are sepharadim
Moshe the Genuine   (01.25.15)
Most of them are coming from North African former French colonies. They know the Arabs, they lived with them for centuries. The last thing they want is to live under them again. So what should they care about some Ashkenazi rabbis who think they still live in Lithuania ?
7. There's no business like mitzvot business ,...
split   (01.25.15)
... total control and tons of gelt ,...
8. So what is the problem.Do not let them in.
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv   (01.25.15)
And those present in Israel sent them back.
9. hasidim
yosi ,   Jerusalem Gilo   (01.25.15)
Don't forget that these same supposed rabbis that want to keep ethnic Jews from moving to Israel, are the descendents of converts. DNA studies have confirmed this over and over, but that's not a convenient subject to talk about.
10. and Bibi describes these Rabbis as natural partners
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Why does Haredi anti-zionism get a pass?
11. The same is true with immigrants from Russia
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (01.25.15)
12. these rabbis are evil
CJK   (01.25.15)
they also prevented jews from fleeing the nazis.
13. As always,these fossils put their finger on the most bizarre
(01.25.15)
aspect of....anything they touch/think about. if correct: Baruch Hashem,
14. OY VEY IZ MIR !!!!!!!
Doda Ruchele !!   (01.25.15)
15. #9 It's 100% OK to be descendants of kosher converts.
(01.25.15)
That's what these Rabbis are proposing to these French assimilated Jews. You can't deny that the Rabbis are right. Coming to Israel will cause assimilation with Israelis to these already assimilated Jews.
16. #10 why Bibi?
(01.25.15)
Why blame Bibi, every extreme Left government said the same. Remember Peres' stinking deal with Shas, that started it all? How Oslo process happened only because of massive funds Rabin gave Shas?
17. A lot of intermarriages...
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (01.25.15)
makes it certainly safer for the future of French Jewry to remain in France for Rav Schteinman and other haredi Rabbis. Would they rather see the French and European Jewish community die a slow death with assimilation and anti semitism rather than seek safety in Israel? Something is wrong here
18. #1 Noachic laws are for non-Jews only.
(01.25.15)
Jews must keep all 613 laws of the Torah whether they like it or not. It's because of the many Jews in Israel who don't even keep the basic 10 Commandments Israel is very unsafe physically and spiritually and the rest of the Jews suffer because of it. Joining a secular army is not pikuach nefesh at all just the opposite, a sin of great proportion. It's the army who don't keep Shabbat and other Jewish laws that bring danger into Israel.
19. #18
JDE ,   Boston   (01.25.15)
"Joining a secular army is not pikuach nefesh at all just the opposite, a sin of great proportion. It's the army who don't keep Shabbat and other Jewish laws that bring danger into Israel." No, the danger comes from brainwashed idiots who believe whatever nonsense a Haredi rabbi tells them.
20. Shame
Naomi ,   Toronto, canada   (01.25.15)
Reading these talk backs makes me cringe. We are worried about anti-semitism? Just read the hate coming from our fellow Jews in these talk backs and we have more to worry about. Why cant we develop tolerance, kindness and maybe even a little bit of love for eachother. We were not created the same and there are many Ways to express our Jewishness. We dont need to fear the world destroying us we are succeeding at doing that to ourselves. Im pleading at this crazy time in the world and dangerous time for us Jews. Please let us find a little commonality and try to have a little more empathy for eachother. When you strip away all the dogmas we are all the same. A people who love our families, who strive to do some semblance of good, who are just human beings that want to be loved, accepted, and are trying to survive. Please the world has enough hate lets try not to contribute to it by tearing eachother down .
21. #18 Islamofascist propaganda
Raphael ,   Netanya   (01.25.15)
You deserve a medal from Hamas
22. Deuteronomy 18:9
Jerusalem   (01.25.15)
The only thing that needs to be communicated here is what is the difference. Of paramount importance would be the morality and the decency and abiding by Jewish/ Mosaic Law even though it's not the law of the land yet in the renewal. The ultra-Orthodox should be ready to show how they are able to get this done.
23. While Rabbis have no right to ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.25.15)
express concern about assimilation . TBers do not hesitate to express concern about Rabbis
24. Nothing new,Alyah was always for..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.26.15)
Jews.The non-Jewish partners have the option to convert the Orthodox way and problem solved. Anyway,Israel is surrounded with enemies.Not that safe.
25. 18 It was the prophets who allowed...
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (01.25.15)
Jews to take arms in ancient times on chabat because Israƫl's ennemies were attacking on chabat because they knew we were defenseless. Who are you and even who are some Rabbis to talk against the words of the prophets and the Tanaim who had the spirit of Hachem? Would you rather have that the Jewish people commits suicide?
26. 25 Robert, Rabbis re not against...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.26.15)
defending on Shabat.They are against not keeping Shabbat when it is not necessary for Israel's security.
27. #22 - 'Jewish/ Mosaic Law' ...
split   (01.25.15)
Six of the Ten Commandments and 3/4 of 613 principles of Torah's law observed by Jews was 'adopted' from an Egyptian Book of Dead recorded on the walls of their tombs around 2600 BC, that's 1600 years before Moses was born, if you believe that he ever existed. The funny part is in the detail that the Moses story is a carbon copy of Sargon of Akkad, also known as Sargon the Great story that was recorded around 1200 years before Moses, again if you believe that he existed ;) ,...
28. In the 1930's and 40's the Haredei Rabbis
Zev ,   Israel   (01.26.15)
Told their followers not to leave Europe for America as America was not religious enough. I find it hard to believe that they would make that mistake again when getting all Jews out of France should be a priority of "Pikuach Nefesh".
29. Friends or enemies
iselin ,   oslo   (01.26.15)
Such in-fighting. Nothing pleases these rabbis. Just look at the picture - where do these beards belong? to the French who are thinking about going to Israel - looks like you aren't all that welcome. Go to Canada. Montreal may be colder in the winter, but the food is a hellova lot better than in Israel, and there's no meddling in your affairs by the religious nuts.
30. #9
ai ,   nyc   (01.27.15)
they are not hasidim. they are litvish.
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