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Netanyahu advances Jewish nation-state bill
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 29.11.15, 18:23
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1. Racists Aparthid,
James USA   (11.29.15)
Jewish Law = Torah Law "If a gentile were to get injured in a car accident during Sabbath, and he is brought to the hospital – Israel must not treat him," he said, explaining that "if the particular procedures come from rabbis (de-rabbanan), then they might be permitted, but if they stem from prohibitions in the Torah (de-'oraita), then they are not allowed, as the Torah forbids to violate the Sabbath for gentiles." Rabbi Ovadia, Chief Rabbi & advisor to PM Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, 'Laws on Murderers' 2, 11; Talmudic Encyclopedia, 'Goy' When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court.1 To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all. There is no palce for a non-jew in a jewish state.
2. How can you make a Jewish Nation Bill if you act like Goyim?
Chaim   (11.29.15)
If you act like Jews, the Jewish Nation Bill will automatically fall in place and the entire world will recognize Israel as a land for Jews. You can convince the world that Israel is a Jewish country when it's not and the only thing Jewish is Bnei Brak and Me'ah She'arim.
3. more distractions arent needed,
shavuo tov   (11.29.15)
we have more urgent issues,`
4. Changing the system is what Netanyahu really wants
(11.29.15)
"...governance would be to remove the need for the president to declare who will form the government, and that the responsibility for formation would be imposed on the largest party." This would give Likud a guarantee of Likud's almost perpetual control in governance - no other party will be able to form a govt...the mad man's humger for total control...he is insane for power...when will Israel stop him!!
5. we need this bill more than ever
zionist forever   (11.29.15)
This bill is more essential than ever now with the rise of the arabs as a political force with Joint List and the likes of Lapid who if PM leading a leftist coalition with arab partners, Labour is now dominated by the far left and Meretz have never been comfortable with the concept of a Jewish state. We should not worry about arab opinion because the only reason they will object is because the arabs hope for change to make Israel a state of citizens rather than a Jewish state so this bill would make that dream impossible.
6. Jewish state?
chris (munich)   (11.29.15)
Can Israel decide to be the Jewish state, or is that a question that can only be decided by all the Jews in the world?
7. #1 James
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.29.15)
Judaism has changed with the times, unlike Islam. (We also don't stone people anymore, in case you missed it.)
8. And now be an authentic Jewish
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (11.29.15)
State,,not a Western imitation,,a genuine with Tora laws.And G-D will help you realise your dream..
9. 1Half truths are whole lies.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (11.29.15)
If there is a non-jewish doctor,a Jewish doctor is not allowed to violate Shabat. Laws on murderers: To murder a Gentile if he is an enemy of Jews is not a sin.
10. this will blow up in the Prime MInister's face...
Israela ,   Israel   (11.29.15)
1. just a imagine millions of people (whether they are Jewish or not isn't relevant - they can always convert and get citizenship) who will rush to get Israeli citizenship and then determine for those of us who actually live here...their reality. 2. it isn't enough that we have an intifada of crazies in our midst...the Prime Minister is going to make sure that more of us end up dead because he needs more fodder for his cannons.
11. No such thing as a Jewish and democratic state.
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (11.30.15)
Israel will be one or the other. What we need is the separation of Church and State and a democratic country that provides equal rights to all citizens. A Jewish State does not provide equal rights to all citizens.
12. The PM is an idiot.
Dan   (11.30.15)
I look forward to voting against him.
13. Human bunching will avail no human
US citizen ,   US   (11.30.15)
only the One who is greater than all mere humans and everything else will avail any of us mere humans more than a grave. Count my allegiance as yours oh true and living God, you alone are worthy among all of creation.
14. Don't Even Think of It
Joe ,   Israel   (11.30.15)
The proposal to grant expatriates the right to vote in forthcoming elections will have unintended (or maybe, intentional) consequences. Israeli Arab citizens currently have 13 MK'a. By allowing expatriates, most of whom are Jewish, to vote would sharply reduce the number of Arab MK's from 13 to ?. The rage from the Israeli street would make the past two weeks look like a street brawl.
15. Although religion per se is an enemy of free will & maybe
(11.30.15)
even democracy, this is a right step at this time aimed at eliminating of immediate and more dangerous elements/influences in our society. BTW: stop turning democracy into another form of blind cult-thing. It could be debated (successfully) if it's the best way to govern human society? Is it really?
16. To nr 11 Utter racist hypocritical nonsense
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.30.15)
Jews and other minorities reside and live, with democratic, civil and human rights in their possession, in several White Christian European nation states - most of whom have a clearly distinct ethnic, racial, cultural and national character. Despite that most European states have a defined national character, which CLEARLY excludes all other ethnic and national identities, the Europeans don't seem to Think that their national rights collide with the minorities' democratic rights. So the same goes with the Jewish State of Israel. How do you justify a "Palestinian" Arab state when it clearly discriminates against Jews and non-Arabs? Hypocrite! We Jews DON'T want a multicultural society. We WANT a JEWISH NATION STATE. And we DON'T want foreigners such as yourself to meddle with our domestic and internal affairs, because that would mean that you are violating our freedom of choice and our privilege to make our own decisions in a democratic country. Voicing "democracy" as a reason to deny us the right to make our own decisions in our own land makes you a racist, an anti-Semite and a hypocrite. So you Think Canadians may make their own decisions in Canada, but Israelis need to be told "what to do"? It's precisely this behavior Rich that will create tensions and conflict. This is an asymmetrical relationship in which you "give the orders" and we "take the orders". We are a sovereign and independent state. We are not interested in what the rest of the World Thinks of us. Get yourself a Life and get lost. Please return Canada to the Native Americans.
17. #9 u r wrong
israel ,   Israel   (11.30.15)
1. In an emergency a Jewish Doctor, according to the Rambam, MUST violate Shabbat in order to save a life...even if a non-Jewish doctor is present. In a non-emergency if the Jewish doctor is the expert then even in a non-emergency the Jewish doctor even if a non-Jewish doctor is present must violate the sabbath in order to treat the suffering of G-d's creation. Baharnu B'aChaim! But don't take my word for it...check out how Shaare Zedek hospital handles this matter...after all they are a medical facility which operates 100% within halacha. 2. the only time it is not a sin to murder is if you are being directly attacked....neither the Bible nor the Talmud make a distinction if the attacker is Jewish or Gentile. 3. You are a racist lacking in knowledge.
18. @11 What we need is a new Prime Minister
(11.30.15)
this one is only interested in lining his pockets with money and keeping all of us as his serfs.
19. "srael is the nation state of the Jewish people"
C   (11.30.15)
this law must be enshrined in the basic laws immediately. israel cannot be treated by anyone as just another state among many others without identity or personality.
20. 17 Israel Thank you for your info..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (11.30.15)
and for making me reexamine myself. I was not aware i am a racist. If so,i am very sorry and intend to correct that. However, i realise that i am ignorant,and that the more i study.
21. Bibi deserves praise for this bill!
Chaim ,   Israel   (12.01.15)
Bibi is not the dedicated, fearless patriot who should lead Likud and Israel. However, he deserves praise for this bill. It is a definite step in the right direction. It would never occur if Israel was, heaven forbid, under leftist control.
22. To nr 14 Left Wing Jews of your kind are the problem
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.30.15)
So you want to give up essential civil and democratic rights and privileges of Israeli expats of Israeli/Jewish ethnicity, because the election results might "upset" the Arabs of Israel? Has it ever dawned upon you that Jews might get upset with the fact that Arabs are getting "upset" over the fact that Israel is a JEWISH and DEMOCRATIC state? Do Jewish feelings count or just Arab feelings? Arabs are upset because they have 22 Arab states instead of 23, and the Arabs are upset that the Jews have 1 Jewish state instead of Zero Jewish states, and Arabs are upset that democratic elections give Israel a Jewish, right wing conservative majority in the Knesset? Let the Arabs be "upset". Jews, and Israel's Jewish and democratic character come first - and not the childish and infantile feelings of Fascist Arab traitors living in Israel, hellbent on destroying our country by the use of threats, blackmail and violence. Are you on drugs Joe? What about law and order? What about the rights and freedom of the individual? The Arabs will riot because they can't get what they want? Well, that's why they can't live in Israel, because they want to destroy Israel's JEWISH and DEMOCRATIC character. The more you'll give in to their threats and violence, the more they'll pressure you. The use of force, the use of violence and the use of threats to undermine a country's democratic and national character only because a minority group can't get things their way isn't exactly an example of an exemplary democracy. The Arabs of Israel need to be expelled simply because they are hostile and violent traitors.
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