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Ken Livingstone: 'Creation of Israel was fundamentally wrong'
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Published: 07.05.16, 22:33
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31. There has always been Antijudaism/Antisemitism amonh Sociali
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (05.08.16)
There has always been Antijudaism/Antisemitism where Jews has dwelled. I can only Hope that it is not so among the Jews themselves. Arn.Sweden.
32. famous Disraeli quote
Lyon ,   France   (05.08.16)
While the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon
33. Livingstone
jez ,   netanya   (05.08.16)
all the talkbacks are rather childish. Livingstone is not a stupid man but is clearly an anti semite. Someone should sit with him and point out that the orginal disaster occured in about 70CE when the Romans destroyed the Jewish kingdom and since then Jews have lived in other peoples countries with varying degrees of accaptance, but always at the whim of their leaders - e.g. Jews were expelled from England in 1290 for nearly 400 years . The Jews in Arab lands lived as Dhimmis - he is probably unaware of this term and although second class citizens were reasonably secure - living again however at the whim of the Arab leaders as second class citizens. He would not be happy to live in the UK as a Dhimmy nor at the whim of a UK leader. Hence the necessity of the Jewish state. It could also be pointed out that by expelling 859K Jews from arab lands they in effect strengthened Israel and contributed to its success.
34. Ken Livingstone
Walid ,   Spain   (05.08.16)
Mr Livingston is 100% correct in his assessment. The mistake of creating Israel in the heart of the Arab world has been haunting the region for the last 70 years and causing several wars. Arabs cannot be called anti sematic because they are sematic themselves and are the children of Abraham. Jews lived peacefully among Arabs in Baghdad, Cairo, Damascus, Tangier, and in Palestine itself for generations without persecution by the Arabs whatsoever. I am an Arab and my mother was a Jew from Cairo. Most of the conflicts we have now in the Middle East originated from the illegal creation of Israel. The solution now is not to throw the Jew in the sea or send them back to Germany, Poland and Russia, but to finally agree to a peaceful coexistence again between Jews and Arabs. This must be done soon as the clock of Jihad is ticking and will soon engulf the whole region including Israel
35. question
c   (05.08.16)
where did ken livingston learn to speak arabic, and why. the interview he gave was in arabic.
36. 12 irwin
c   (05.08.16)
do not expect a marxist to know history. the entire purpose of marxism is to re-write history.
37. # 5 Thanks for the remembrance
BUILD BABY BUILD !!!   (05.08.16)
this fact is most probably why Britain today is another arab state with some whites as a minority. G-d has a long memory and his vengeance is complete. Wait until heads roll.
38. British responsiibility
Harold ,   Belgium   (05.08.16)
Livingston has a very selective memory. Sykes-Picot accords created a totally artificial partition of the Middle East and is the fuel ( petrol included) of the ongoing tribal war since the bloody conquest by Islam. Such bad people as Livingston should be banned from politics and forced to follow a course in history.
39. Ken livingstone
David goldberger ,   Cooper city florida   (05.08.16)
The former mayor has a total lack of knowledge of the history and is an obvious anti Semite. He thinks only the Jews have no right to their own country.it is too bad that the allies had to save his country from Germany. He would very much at home under a nazi regime
40. Livingstone's existence is a mistake! He insults the earth
Alfredo ,   Raanana   (05.08.16)
41. London mayor
(05.08.16)
Tell that to my family that were beaten, had all thier possessions taken and were kicked out of Egypt in the 40's
42. #18 jake You miss the point
ky   (05.08.16)
You will note that London elected a Labour Muslim mayor despite all the fuss about Livingstone and anti semitic Labour. It was probably down to Labour's appeal to a younger generation of British voters not fully aware of the implications of Livingstones brainless argument. Surely it should dawn on you to you that a case for Israel must be made upon the historical and factual consequences of his statements which do have some popular appeal wether you like it or not. Rather than to rely on chest beating and "might is right". Unfortunately those with your sort of outlook realise too late that nation states cannot survive as a remote Island and Israell must present a well reasoned historical case for its own future. The simple fact is if it was not for the German intervention in North Africa and the narrow deafeat of their forces at the Battle of El Alemain the Nazis would have had no trouble in reaching Palestine . Their next step would have been to turn on other Arab states one by one and there would have been little doubt as to the eventual outcome. So in fact Arab nations also have a debt of gratitude to the Allies for saving them from destruction by the Nazis and their aim of aryanisation of the world. The vote at the UN was vitaly important for Israel and gave it the legitimisation that it needed from the states that fought and defeated the Nazis.
43.  I forgot to add to my post
ky   (05.08.16)
That Ken Livingstone's Socialist beliefs come largely from the British Trotskyist movement to which he had links via his protege, the former leader of Lambeth council . Now it should be mentioned that during WW2 all the leaders of the movement had to spend time in prison as they were busy organising strikes in vital sectors of the British war economy . They were all regarded with disgust and contempt by the majority of the British population who were shedding their blood in fighting Nazism. He hides his links and true beleifs and operates as a mainstream labour party member but it is quite clear that he still hold the same contempt for those who actually fought and defeated Nazism
44. Correction to my post #18 to ky: *nonbinding recommendation
Jake   (05.08.16)
45. Haider #30 & Walid #34, are you for real?
Jake   (05.08.16)
"Arabs can't be anti-semitic because they are Semites themselves?!?! What? Did you bother to check the origin of the term "antisemitism". It originated in 19th century Germany as a more modern, "scientific" synonym for "Jew-hatred" (Judenhass, in German). It was specifically coined to refer to anti-Jewish racism, not to refer to Arabs or other speakers of Semitic languages. And what "peaceful coexistence" between Jews and Arabs are you talking about, Walid? You are not fooling us Jews with origins in the Middle East for one minute. The largest massacres perpetrated by Arabs against Jews occurred BEFORE 1948: The massacres that followed the Damascus Blood Libel of 1840, the Jaffa Riots of 1920, the Nebi Musa riots of 1921, the massacres in Safed and Tiberias in 1929 and 1936, the Hebron massacre of 1929, the bloody 1941, Farhud pogrom in Baghdad, the anti-Jewish riots in Egypt in 1945, the anti-Jewish pogrom in Libya in 1945, the pogrom and destruction of much of the Jewish quarter of Halab in 1947.... I could go on, but I think you know the rest. These barbaric acts of Arab violence against Jews, which you (Walid) deny happened before the State of Israel was established. If you cannot even accept the historical truth about what happeneed before 1948, one can only imagine the lies you have adopted for yourselves for the period after '48. There may be peace between governments.There will never be peace or normalization between the peoples until you face your own "demons".
46.  #29, Mike and the "intense condemnation of antisemitism"
Jake   (05.08.16)
Please. Don't make me laugh. The UK Labour's "condemnation of antisemitism" reminds of Arafat's "condemnation" of terrorism. Somehow, he managed to play the role of both the firefighter and the arsonist. Truth is antisemitism is so rampant in Labour that Jeremy Corbyn is having to expel dozens of members just to maintain any semblance of legitimacy for his party, while conveniently denying his own chronic issues. In the the end, Corbyn will purge the entire party except for himself. Then he will be free to cultivate his personal friendships with Hamas and Hizbullah. While "condeming antisemitism".
47. nothing complicated here: he's your basic anti-Semite
Rafi ,   US   (05.08.16)
48.  And another fact
ky   (05.08.16)
it also should be revealed that Corbyn and Livingstone both were linked to British Trotskyism Via The Young Socialists movement who made no secret of their entryism tactic into the Labour Party. In 1964 the Labour Party had the guts to deal withe entryists and expelled them en masse. They had to form a separate organisation which has not one scintilla of voters support and was riddled with corruption and sexual abuse. It is no wonder that they have not given up on entering the Labour party and spreading their poison throughout its ranks. Unfortunately they have not the guts they had in 1964.
49. bow British idiots or die.
(05.08.16)
50. israelis try to win arguments on points
george   (05.08.16)
enough with scoring points on an examination like some of the commenters. this is the trouble with israel, with some of its politians-they try to win academic points. israel has to decide its interests and then in a determineed way, achieve them. not via dan halutz's we won on points. enemies of israel neeed to know that they too can be dealt with since hiter like figures started with inflammatory words. some israelis continue to act like weaklings and run to obama -please save us poor jews. when the livingstons of the world undertand they they tioo can be a price, they will think twiice about making attacks agaisnt israel.
51. spouting rubbish
irwin   (05.08.16)
no 27, this is about the world understanding that if you threaten jews directly or indirectly, there will be consequences. this is not some academic argument that you win on points. egypt made a 30 year peace with israel because they respected and feared begin's resolve. the arabs will never make peace with israel under your guys herzog or bibi because the 2 of them are extremely weak and simply offer concessions. livingston andothers might be more cautious if they feared israel more.
52. #34 You don't pass the smell test
Benji ,   US   (05.08.16)
You sound like Walid of Spain who previously posted on this site about his association with Hezbollah. Israel is the Jewish homeland and has existed in this location for over 3000 years. It's the Arabs who have caused the wars. Always attacking Israel and losing. Jews lived in Arab lands until they were persecuted and driven out like my in-laws who escaped Damascus in 1931 and came to Israel. Or your mother, a Jew from Cairo which makes you Jewish. Was she forced to convert or leave out of kindness? The conflicts in the ME have nothing to do with Israel. Even Hamas and Hezbollah exist as lapdogs for Iran and attack Israel for profit. The rest of the conflicts are religious or tribal pitting Arabs and Muslims against each other. Look at the victims of ISIS. Your peaceful coexistence concept exists between Israel and her peaceful neighbors. It's the Arab/Muslims obsessed with Jihad like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran causing the problems. These troublemakers are embraced by Livingstone the low-life attention seeker.
53. Livingstone
Jez ,   netanya   (05.08.16)
Walid, clearly you forget the Jews had Dhimmi status in all the Muslim countries they lived. They were protected but had limited rights and their expulsion was always dependent on the whim of the leaders. You clearly had no Jewish relatives who were thrown out of arab countries (long before Israel existed). Not sure you would be happy to live in spain under the same conditions as Jews lived in arab countries
54. The spirit of Ernest Bevin lives on....
Ian ,   Newcastle upon Tyne   (05.08.16)
...in Ken Livingstone. (And in Jeremy Corbyn,Tony Blair,Jack Straw and the rest of the anti-Semitic Israel-haters in the UK Labour Party) THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
55. To be fair...
Robert ,   antwerp belgium   (05.08.16)
The USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Bolivia, Venezuela, Uruguay, Paraguay, South Africa and so on should all be evacuated by the descendents of the European Immigrants and black slaves to leave those lands in the hands of the original inhabitants. The hundreds of millions evacuees should be returned to England foremostly to become neighbours of self rightuous Livingstone. That is, if he really wants to be fair and not antisemitic because Jews and the land of Israel are linked through history while all the forementionned countries are colonies
56. 42 ky, you are highly mistaken
C   (05.08.16)
sovereign states are not created by the un. as long as a state satisfies the conditions of the montevideo treaty on statehood, it is considered a state. recognition by other states is not necessary for statehood. on the other hand, admission to the un is based on the requirements of the un charter, as jake rightly points out. israel is a state based on the criteria of the montevideo treaty and she was admitted to the un based on the requirements of the un charter. israel has nothing to prove. she is a sovereign state since 1948.
57. #56 C
ky   (05.09.16)
So the battle of El Alemain was a waste of time and thousands of lives. Of course te Jews of Palestine would have soundly defeated the Nazi war machine . Please read the posts first if you reply.
58. anti semetic
bruce ,   canada   (05.09.16)
he is more than welcome to go and live in gaza
59. Silent truth...
Clas von staufenberg ,   Jerico   (05.10.16)
He said what many dare not to say because of fear from Zionists regime.
60. In politics stupidity is not a handicap
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (05.12.16)
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