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The lies behind the supermarket bill
Dr. Shuki Friedman
Published: 03.01.18, 23:52
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1. For religion to "sit down" with sane, healthier portion of
(01.04.18)
our society (secular) would require a tectonic shift in the Dogma of God.
Won't happen, cannot happen, should not be expected to happen.
Co-existence with plenty of goodwill on both sides is the only answer, until we finally get rid of God(s) we so foolishly created in our image.
2. Agree with you 100%
(01.04.18)
Weekend should include Sunday. In New Zealand they are trying to take cars of the roads and encourage the use of unreliable or non existent public transport. This analogy can be applied to the Shabbat laws.
If everybody have to observe Shabbat, then make Sunday off for shopping.
3. It's not a matter of your ridiculous cross sector phenomenon
Joseph ,   USA   (01.04.18)
It's the public desecration of Shabbat that is being tried to be stopped. But of course what rights do secular Jews have to the land of Israel? None. You want to be free of religion and deny the Torah and the G-d that have you that land and then you are truly an occupier of Palestinian land and a thief. The only right we have to reschedule Israel is thru keeping Torah and mitzvot.
4. The state of Israel must not allow businesses to work on Sha
(01.04.18)
The state of Israel must not allow businesses to work on Shabbat. The state of Israel must punish with death penalty every business owner who puts his business to work on Shabbat, because it is written in the Torah, in Exodus 31:14-15, that God said that everyone who makes work on Shabbat must be condemned to death. This applies also to the non-Jews, because it is written in the Torah, in Exodus 12:49 and in Numbers 15:15-16, that there must be one law to the sons of Israel and to the stranger who resides among them, and it is written in the Torah, in Exodus 20:8-11 that God commanded that the stranger also do not work on Shabbat.

The state of Israel must not be a secular state, because it is written in the Torah, in Exodus 19:5-6 that Israel made a pact with God, to be His people, and to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation, so that the state of Israel must be a holy state, a theocracy, and the supreme law of the state of Israel is the Written Torah, that is in the first five books of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh).
5. Yom Kippur
Talula ,   Tel Aviv   (01.04.18)
If you can drive, and eat a bacon sandwich in the middle of the road, on what is supposed to be the Holiest day of the Jewish calendar then we can shop on shabbat- those not liking don't have to look - stay home!
6. The crux of the problem
Moshe   (01.04.18)
It is a pity that the author doesn't distinguishing between religious people and the fanatic ultra-orthodox public. As long as the second community strives to drag Israel backward hundreds (if not thousands) years, the secular majority will not reach repose. The best solution will come when Israel progresses toward the Western enlightened countries to which it belongs, and separate religion from state.
7. Social impact of sjops opening on Shabbat
Vittorio Sasson ,   Rome   (01.04.18)
What we have experienced in Italy when shops were allowed to open on Sundays and holidays is that in the long run the smaller businesses will dissapear This deregulation in fact has created a new class of "slaves" and disintegrated the family nucleus. We have in fact families whose members never meet because the father get the day off on monday, the mother on wednesday and the kids stay home on their own (or with a paid babysitter) on sundays. This has an impact on the kids and we are seeing only now after almost 2 decades the terrible results. I think more than a supermarket bill, as you said, the Israeli society needs to sit around a table and find a way to put Shabbat as the Holy Day (or day off if you are not religious) but enable people to feel free to do their activities.F>or example, let's assume someone works in a restaurant and restaurants have to close half a day during the week let's say Sunday mornig. All the people working in restaurants have half a day to do their activities and on the other hand people know that Sunday mornings all restaurants are closed. There will be always people saying they want to do something on Shabbat but the fact is (at least in Italy) is that business does not grow. Only expenses grow so what's the point?.
8. ok
qwerty ,   jerusalem   (01.07.18)
The students of the Vilna Gaon, Chabad and other religious people made aliyah way before the "first aliyah" group of secular Jews. Plus, an existing society of pious Jews lived in Israel way before the modern Zionist movement. Rabbis like Yehuda Alkakai and Rabbi Kalisher pre-date the more secular Theodor Herzl in a proto-"Zionist" movement. However even Theodor Herzl saw a need for so.e kind of Judaism in a modern Israeli society. This does not nessesarily mean forced observance like in Iran, just not minimarkets blasting music on Friday night. I used to live in downtown Jerusalem, and one minimarket did this. They eventyally closed, gecause there was hardly any demand for groceries on a Saturday.
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