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With Supermarkets Law, Haredim are finally speaking out
Itzchak Tessler
Published: 13.01.18, 15:52
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1. Oh the Irony
EGGM ,   Petah Tikva, Israel   (01.13.18)
This article was published on Shabbat. Disrespect for the Haredim? Maybe they should make a law to ban Ynet on Shabbat now.
2. how about a trade off: I'll do Shabbos & u do the army!
Nahash Tzefa ,   Israel   (01.13.18)
Because. word. you know that I know that you know that if you can write all this blah blah about Ben-Gurion and the Status Quo then you know that I know that you know that the Status Quo original agreement for military exemption for the ultra-orthodox was 400 (Four Hundred). 400 who would be under the category of "Toratam Omanutam" (The Torah is their craft)
How many of you religious slaying yourselves on the fields of Torah need to get up off the bench in the Yeshivas and Kolels until there are only 400 left?
500,000? 1,000,000?
3. Haredim are NOT fighting back
david ,   hadera   (01.13.18)
they are blackmailing and extorting
4. Separation of Shul and State
Arnie ,   Montreal   (01.13.18)
On Shabbat if you do not want to drive don’t. On Shabbat if you do not want to shop don’t. But do not dictate to others. Hashem will deal with each person on a one on one relationship.
5. Promised by whom??! Ben-what? Why should we care? We have
(01.13.18)
been witnessing a gradual & steady encroachment by the followers of Imaginary Friend in our daily lives & state institutions, but now we say: "ENOUGH".
6. A twisted article
Moshe   (01.13.18)
This essay is an example how an author can invert reality upside down. " the Haredim suffer one blow after another", inform us the writer. Why they suffer ? Are they prevented from observing even one of their precepts ? No. They suffer because they cannot fully coerce other people to practice Saturday in their manner. Ben-Gurion delivered his promise to them, but he is not anymore with us, and his successors have the right to conduct themselves differently, and let every citizen keep the rest day as he perceives it.
7. balderdash
gawain   (01.13.18)
8. No sharia in israel
Az   (01.13.18)
The haredim should take their sharia law to Iran.
9. What a load of nonsense
Disillusioned   (01.13.18)
Nobody anticipates that times change, that the force of progress will go on irrespective of a small number of people who refuse to march with it.

Nobody anticipated then that the lives of the new Israelis would change, from refugee status to a modern state that would also need to change with the rest of the world, that the needs and desires of the people would change.

Nobody anticipated the breeding rate of the then small and decimated group, and that in time, their privileged status would have to be reviewed as they got bigger, and their demands ever bigger with that.

Laws and practices all over the world have had to change and adapt to changing times and changing needs. Did anyone then think then, when cars were the ultimate luxury and the only people who had them were the very wealthy and new immigrants? Did they foresee the development of new, bustling cities, trade with the whole world?

What they certainly did not foresee was that the haredim would, more and more, use politics to ensure that their privileges would grow to a point that would eventually becoming unsustainable?

Adapt or die. The author is a klutz if he thinks we're buying his naive excuse for parasitism.
10. The irony of it
Watta lotta nonsense   (01.13.18)
is that this law was not to protect a worker's right to a day of rest. There are thousands of people today who need the extra work to help their family's survive - and they simply take another day off to rest as they're not allowed to work a full week anyway.

Further than that is the fact that Mr Thieving Deri has already (before publication of this article, which happened to be on a shabbat) admitted that he apparently has no intention of enforcing it. What he will enjoy, however, is the power he gets from it, and certainly there will undoubtedly be a price to pay the Rabbinate very handsomely to overlook a few transgressions.

It's also most interesting to note what the rabbis are willing to overlook and what not. If it's for their interest, the Jewish laws can be toned down, forgotten even. Smoking kills, and the law states that you must not do anything that causes harm to your body. Yet all these holy rabbis smoke. They find a way round for what they want. Like refrigeration. Taking out the light does not stop the fridge from starting every time it's opened for Rabbi Shmutzik to have a snack. That introduces warm air and starts the engine. Doesn't suit those who prefer their dairy products not to go bad, so the rest is overlooked.

And finally, the ultimate hypocrisy. Protect people from their day of rest on shabbat? But, as we all know only too well, the people who claim to be protecting others do not work at all. For them all the week is a day of rest. Who in heck are they protecting?

It's all about cocking a finger of power at the secular majority, showing them who's really boss in Bibi's Castle. They needn't get their knickers in a twist about being forced to see the shabbat being desecrated. If you don't want to see, just do what YOU want and don't look at what others are doing.
11. Younger Haredim are important but they must change.
Michael ,   California, USA   (01.13.18)
The way of living and the ideology of Ultra-Orthodox OF THE PAST must go away. The young Haredim will be welcomed to the Israeli society once they reform. It is happening already albeit slowly. Young leadership needs to come up from within the Haredim. A Reformation (the Emancipation) may be moving slowly, but it must keep happening in Israel.
12. Their vast majority does not work
Atheist   (01.14.18)
They get paid a stipend from those who do even on Shabbat. So they might as well can it. This government is only good for destroying the Zionist dream. A Haredi's wet dream indeed
13. most orthodox are not haredi
mordechai   (01.14.18)
Most religious jews in Israel are dati leumi ie National Religious not haredi.

We want to see the status quo where Shabbat is respected publicly kept.

These attempts to force the poor to work so the rich can go shopping should disgust everyone. Why shouldn't poor people have one day off a week to spend with their family just as the rich do?
14. By the 60's Ben Gurion regretted the status quo deal
Vered, Israel   (01.14.18)
When Ben Gurion saw that what was meant to be a Torah-devoted life for a FEW men, had become a trans-generational welfare-dependent way of life for an entire segment of the population, he utterly regretted what he had done. He bemoaned that they ultra-orthodox (even then!) were uncivilized and a drag on the working. So, people, we need backbone. Governments have been trying tor decades to get the Torah studiers off the public dole, to no avail. If we can't elect a new government after what has been happening over the past 2 years, we deserve our fate
15. The author neglects to mention...
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana   (01.15.18)
That the status quo agreement also dictated IDF exemptions for 400 (FOUR HUNDRED) Torah students and not the 60,000-plus that we have today living at public expense.
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