Opinion  Attila Somfalvi
American Jews, you are also to blame for the rift
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 23.10.18, 23:34
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1. With exceptions,,I trust Israel's future more to Evangelical
Alan ,   SA   (10.24.18)
American Christians than to the American Jews.The latter's blind support (also with exceptions ) of the democrat cult with its overwhelming and increasing new followers and recruits has me very worried..I'm for the Evangelicals-period!
2. Hey - liberal Jews are blameless no matter what
MadDad ,   Johannesburg   (10.24.18)
They can support Israels enemies, bash Israel at every turn, remain silent while Jews are forbidden to buy land from Arabs, pray at the Temple Mount
They can call on both sides to show restraint when Jews get their throats cut, are stabbed when strolling with their kids, are rammed and shot, etc etc
Yes liberal Jews need to compromise their current position in a big way
3. America's liberal / Reform Jews..........
DSM ,   USA   (10.24.18)
are Democrat socialist first, social warriors second and Jews maybe third.
4. They are not really jews; Are they?
Boaz   (10.24.18)
Culturally jews as they call themselves would be more appropriate. We also have reforms in Auckland NZ; Christine the rabbi and Jesus the treasurer.....
5. Netanyahu courts American Christians, Ignores American Jews
Anael ,   Israel   (10.23.18)
He's the leader.
If he's the leader as he says, then he's responsible for the current situation.
6. Is Atilla her real name?!?
David ,   New york   (10.24.18)
Atilla the Hun?
7. Not involved?? - speak for yourself
David ,   New york   (10.24.18)
I've been to Israel more than 30 times, speak fluent Hebrew, know tons of people there. Everyone in my community has been to Israel and a good fraction with end up living there. We are deeply involved:
We are also orthodox
Most reform and conservative are not involved with anything Jewish:
Nearly all Jewish school students are orthodox
the large majority of those who go to Israel and vote for supporters of Israel are orthodox
And orthodox will become the majority of American Jews
8. They are not doing enough?
Avi ,   NYC   (10.24.18)
The American Jews give you the butter to put on your bread, and the bread to put under the butter!
Without the US Jewry’s swindling of America for Israel, the “start up nation” would have had the same GDP as Jordan.
9. real problem is Israeli racism against enlightened Jews
Ron Steinberg ,   new York   (10.24.18)
It is fascism vs democracy, darkness vs light, and obscurant Orthodoxy vs liberal thought. Just look How Israel treats these helpless Palestinians. This treatment makes the Star of David looks like the Swastika of Hitler
10. The Orthodox in Israel are the stumbling block to progress.
Michael ,   California, USA   (10.23.18)
Go ahead, talk. Go ahead in Israel, hit your head on the wall. You must put the Orthodox in their place, out of people lives. Nothing will happen otherwise.
11. NOW WAIT A MINUTE
DACON9   (10.24.18)
WHEN AN AMERICAN asks or criticizes something in Israel the first thing
YOU ISRAELIS SAY IS...DID YOU SERVE IN THE IDF..NO? THEN SHUT UP.

BUT you know how to come to our shuls asking for money and political support...if we served in IDF or not.

what do you have to offer anyway. The majority of YOU ISRAELIS have no clue as to the history the religious history the locations of ancient sites, you renamed everything as if your the arab and xtian…..NO!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ISRAEL. WE AMERICAN JEWS KNOW MORE OF ISRAEL THEN YOU WILL EVER KNOW. NOT TO MENTION G-D. HASHEM.... did you ever hear of 'HIM' ?
12. The premise is quite absurd. Why would Israelis accept
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a major role in their affairs by a non-resident population.. whether they are Amer Jews or any other Diaspora community?

Diaspora Jews do not serve in the IDF, pay Israeli taxes, vote in Israeli elections... or any of the other many burdens assoc'd with being an Israeli citizen. (This is also a major failing of the heredi in Israel... but that's another story)

Unless they are willing to become olim & citizens, why would US Jews ever be granted a free ticket to participate in Israeli society even if they "demanded' it?
13. American Jews
David   (10.24.18)
Americans Jews need to reclaim their Jewish identity, in their own society, before they start claiming a "place" in Israeli society. The problem is that for all too many, any participation in Jewish community life is in decline. Of course this is true of secular Jews in Israel as well, but it is all the more problematic in the Diaspora, where the absence of any religious affiliation, can leave people without any attachment to their identity.
14. AMERICAN JEWS
TEL EM STRAIGHT ,   SAFED HONESTY   (10.24.18)
American jews need to understand that Israel is ,geographically, tiny and is also very vulnerable and israelis live normal lives ,nevertheless are under constant POTENTIAL threat ( I stress " potential " ) .Young israelis, and also PM Netanyahu have inherited the mistakes and decisions of their predecessors ,past generations. Young israelis are obligated to serve in the military ,often in dangerous situations ,and americans who are not israeli citizens and do not reside in Israel should not imagine they have the right to make life or death strategic decisions for Israel.
Another factor, Israel is very very small and can not afford to keep ceding territory to its neighbours.
Americans need to also understand that life in Israel is far from perfect and life in Israel is challenging ,israelis are middle-eastern and have a different behaviour and mentality to westerners and frankly, the israel culture sucks in many ways !
15. As in everything else , religious convictions are causing
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the biggest discord between humans (including us, the chosen ones).
Politics come close second.
16. Back Door way of Blaming Bibi
Marc Tobin   (10.24.18)
This is just a silly article as most by Israeli left wing commentators thaht know nothing about the reality of American Jewry. He once again uses this simply as a platform to bash Bibi.
17. AMERICAN JEWS
LARRY LISS ,   US ARMY 24 YEARSAMER   (10.24.18)
the majority are left wing no clue self indulged non combative extensions of e jews they are spoiled have no military experience .on the other the sabra the exact reverse a prime example of what we were 2,000 years ago
a prod race I AM AN AMERICAN JEW A FIGHTER 24 YEARS US ARMY SERVICE AND FORMER POLICE OFFICER planning to leave america and there jelly fish jews and live in ISRAEL be with real men and woman who take no shit and fight like hell was unleashed in war
18. Israel's greatest enemy and threat to her very survival
Doron Straus ,   Columbia   (10.24.18)
As an ardent Zionist. As a proud American Jew. I fear not Hezbollah, Hamas, nor the Palestinians. Israel can take care of that. What I fear most is Israel's greatest and most potent enemy...liberal American Jewry.
19. American Jews.
tiki ,   belgium   (10.24.18)
American Jews should start by learning about their history & values and be proud of it's achievements against all odds.

Eating matzo balls once a week, celebrating Chanuka & Christmas once a year but preaching Tikun Olam without understanding it, is not enough.
20. The rift is caused by the orthodox Rabbinate
Alexander Scheiner ,   ZY, Israel   (10.24.18)
they are monopolizing Judaism In Israel according to strictly (ultra) orthodox rules. Reform or Masorti Jews in Israel are not recognized as Jews by the Rabbinate.

Orthodox Jews in Israel are abusing Judaism for extremist and pre-fascist political reasons.

I remind the reader, that among the Ultra- and Orthodox Jews in Israel, is a high rate of criminals and social parasites and hooligans. Not all but most of them do not contribute to the Jewish State Israel and use no deodorants.
21. ynettt, where is my post?
C   (10.24.18)
22. Chutzpah, if I ever saw it !
anonymous   (10.24.18)
This article is beyond disturbing.

Really upsetting.

We have more laws in our own Congress to protect your needs than our own. Anti- BDS laws that erode our own civil liberties, AntiSemitism Awareness Act that conflates Zionism with Judaism.

It has gotten harder and harder to defend your policies, I sometimes cringe. Anti-Semitism is increasing in the diaspora because of it, not that you care. You embrace the Christian Zionists.

Our own youth, are feeling betrayed, all the Hasbara first, shoved down their throats. No mention of the occupation, or the refugees, then they are blindsided when they get to college. Your Birthright trips to create "ambassadors."

Don't take our 38 billion then, our own people, yes, Americans are also our people, have their own struggles, and have AIPAC listed as representing a foreign nationality.

Zionism is not Judaism. Torah is Judaism, relationship to HaShem, Divine Providence, is Judaism.

This article takes the cake.... you have some nerve.
23. European Jews remember us Jewry inaction during holocaust
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We see a repeat where so called liberals betray their brethren to the new Nazis Iran, Hamas, plo, Hezbollah and so on.

Voting Obama a second tIme sums it up. A Jew hater by any definition that exists in the free world.

Adl, jf, Anne Frank, hillel and most other Jewish groups hijacked by leftie Jews who are political activists above anything else...against Israel and Western values of freedom, speech, equality for all not who u decide and so on.
24. The wrong title.
(10.24.18)
It should be: 'Liberal Jews, you are also to blame for the rift'. I am not religious, conservative, Zionist American Jew supporting state of Israel in all means. Besides there are many conservative Jewish commentators like Dennis Prager, Mark Levin, Michael Medved, Ben Shapiro and many more...
25. Attila Tsipimonstress worshipper
Fornax Sableemy   (10.25.18)
so dishonest these commie morons
26. Normal people should know that they are ISRAELIS in Israel
Michael ,   California, USA   (10.25.18)
The Americans are different, that's also normal. Check your teudat zehut, check your safa Ivrit, check your kova tembel. Does it say "American" on any of it? So, try to be yourselves over there b'eretz zavat halav u'dvash. Take care of yourselves, leave the Americans alone.
27. Reform = New Israel Fund & Mickey Mouse Judaism
DangerReform ,   Jerusalem   (10.26.18)
28. Six months before statehood the die was already cast for the
David Turner ,   NYC   (10.25.18)
Attila Somfalvi, Without a doubt the leaders of our American community may be as described. But... The issue of Haredi control of the Rabbinate has provided a platform for the negative relationship that inevitably follows. Who is a Jew defined according to a narrow "halachic" definition tailored to include the stream represented by the chief rabbis is self-serving and provocative to the Jewish People in the Diaspora and in Israel (excepting, of course, the Haredim). Nothing new here since Ben Gurion, needing to close ranks in face of the impending UN partition vote provided the far more Zionist Orthodox of the day seats at the Knesset in exchange for their support facing that vote. Once religion provided a seat in government it was certain to be downhill for all "non-conforming" with orthodox coercion.

Six months before statehood the die was already cast for the end to unity as a people, and its state.
29. there is no rift - media invention by the left
Yosef Yhomron ,   Nitzan   (10.26.18)
Realty check - the so called rift is nothing more than a few wealthy machers on the left who own an American Jewish org. and some non Orthodox "rabbis" who are fighting for their recognition as such in Israel. Non observant American Jews are either assimilated (don't follow Israeli politics and couldn't find Israel on a world map) or continue to be pro-Israel simply because they feel Jewish. The divide between our two communities has nothing to do with the Likud coalition. As more American Jews inter-marry and assimilate, they will be less connected to the Jewish State.
30. It is American Liberal Jews Fault
GHook93 ,   Chicago   (10.26.18)
The American Liberal Jew (which I am a conservative Jew) which is by far the vast majority, vote time and time again with liberal Democrat party. Regardless of the fact the Democrat platform is openly hostile and hypocritical when it comes to Israel. Trump has been Israel's best friend and this means nothing to the American Jew!
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