I think NK should be investigated by the state department in the US - reading dovys posts one can see what they are capable of - I didn't think we had these NK idiots in Toronto -but I guess we do - do you have any in australia ?

anti-zionism = anti -judaism: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Religious Zionism and Eslamism are two sides of the same coin. Both have to be eradicated for Jews and Moslems to live to gether in peace. It has happened before, it can happen again. Eretzel Yisrael in just another form of the Islamic Khalifate.

Interestingly, the jerk-off who calls himself Dovey projects his lack of facts and hatefulness onto others. He simly writes nonsense without any facual basis. Dovey is either a hateful nonJewish Jew such as Chomsy or is just a neonazi. The fact is that the NK are not simply anti-Zionist. They are destroyers of the Jewish people. Just like the evil professors who deny or minimize the Holocaust (like the perfectly evil Finklestein of DePaul University), the NK spit on the graves of the Jewish and non-Jewish victims of the nazis. Dovey, you need help. You identify with the NK because you are evil, just like they are.

To #51 "bare knuckled hatred..collaborate..judenrat"???? I don't know where you get this from. You must be smoking something. Or maybe you're the shrieking vampire I was talking about... To the others, what part of me calling NK meshuggeners did you not read that would lead you to think I am defending them? I said nothing to defend them. I am interested in FACTS, and suggest that it would make for a better discussion if you did the same. To #55, to follow your argument would lead one to say anyone who didn't keep all 613 commandments is not Orthodox. If this is not what you claim then perhaps you'd like to say how many commandments and which ones a person can break before losing the title of "Orthodox." (BTW, What do you think about the Chabad "meshichistim?" although this is a different topic). On the Cherem, I have yet to see any evidence. The news item I have seen "representing Satmar, Bobov, Kiryas Joel..." is ridiculous and is disinformation. Isn't Kiryas Joel Satmar? Whoever wrote it needs to do some homework. However, I think they probably should be in Cherem. They are pretty vile. (See I'm not their defender, just stick to the facts). I don't know where you get the idea that I cite RZ rabbis in defense of NK. I never did any such thing, nor have I defended NK and their activities on Shabbos, nor stone throwers etc. Your arguments about pikuach nefesh make no sense - you have it the wrong way around. No-one says that you can do ANYTHING for pikuach nefesh. As you know, there are some things you cannot do, ever. But giving up Land, for pikuach nefesh or many other things is CERTAINLY NOT something you cannot do. An example would be that R' Elyashiv decided it's more important to keep money for yeshivas than to oppose the withdrawal from Gaza. So not only is pikuach nefesh more important than Land, but so is Torah education. The RZ argument that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES can one ever give up even an inch of Land, for pikuach nefesh, Torah education or anything else, as I said directly contradicts everything that has been said on the subject since Matan Torah. I wouldn't be suprised if they'd rule that avodah zorah would be preferable to giving up settlements. That's certainly the logic of their argument. (I think their elevation of the value of Eretz Yisroel above all else constitutes avodah zorah itself). To # 56, I can call R' Kook by his last name. I'm sorry you find that disrespectful. Your list includes many RZ rabbonim, including ones who have made the ridiculous rulings referred to in the previous paragraphs. I certainly would not include them in a list of Gedolim (eg R' Eliyahu). Others are Mizrachi rabbis, who would not be called Gedolim either, (eg R' Reines, R' Kalisher etc) or modern-day RY's who are not Gedolim either (eg R' Amital, R' Lichtenstein, much as I admire both of them). Others in your list were notable anti-Zionists or said different things at different times eg R' Soloveichik. So you, my friend, are the one doing the misleading. The list looks impressive to people who don't know more than that they see a list of vaguely important -sounding Rabbonim. So get off your high horse.

No I am not smoking anything--not even cigarettes anymore. I'm just an old lady who remembers the traitors to the Jewish people back in the Nazi days. Israel < I admit is not the Eden we hoped for when it was reborn but it's all we got and instead of undermining it we must all help it to greatness and going to the enemy and embracing those who are bent on eradicating the Jewish people is certainly not G-d's design.

Hilda, My comments weren't addressed to you, but to other posters (whose numbers I mentioned in the title). I don't disagree with what you say.

A new generation Recently some developments in Mizrahi politics identify the root cause of Mizrahi oppression as the Zionist state and stress the need to build links with People around them. Most Mizrahi, who tend to live in the lowest standard public housing, will have no chance of owning their own apartments. However, the Kibbutz and Moshav communities (dominated by Ashkenazi) are being provided with free apartments under the legislation. In the past, Mizrahim were often forced to live in development towns and settlements near the Israeli border . As Israeli control has expanded, these areas have become prime real estate, leading to the eviction of Mizrahi and an influx of Ashkenazi. This is particularly true of Jerusalem, where new Israeli yuppies called them selfs today for the anglosaxon jews are now moving into settlements once populated by Mizrahi. of course not all of this people are infact yuppies, but many have no real jewish values and after all they could live more happely some where else, still it's not only discriminatory but simple racist and unkosher and brutaly corrupted of a city that is for jews and for all jews to dwell in. The Mizrahi movement inevitably comes up against the question for a “bigger slice of the Zionist pie” ... The only Jewish comunities that have lived and progress in peace have been in the US, in the Americans comunities mostly of azhkenasims origenes.

Neville Chamberlain (Prime Minister of England) "visited Hitler and spoke with him many times", lots of world leaders did this. Still waiting to hear what was actually said at the conference, might as well stick an antennae in my head.

I am not a Jew but I believe in the Holocaust and I know Hitler murdered millions of Jews just because they were Jews. I consider these five guys a classic sect of Judaism. But on the other hand what does this have to do with the israeli military occupation of a foreign land and people?