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Massive battles in Marjayoun
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 10.08.06, 12:03
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Daniel ,   Sweden   (08.10.06)
Are there any books in your country that is not biased? Living in a western country one gets scared how brain washed some people can be. What have they been teaching you in school? That the earth is flat, or? According to people like you Arabs are always innocent.
62. Hi
Ben Avrahom ,   Jerusalem   (08.10.06)
# Ali 39 Here's a question: "Why should "Palestine" belong to Arabs? Jews have been living in Jerusalem, for example, for 3,000 years. Don't you think that is the basis of quite a claim? You say that .. " they (the Palestinians) accepted to take a small piece of land and to live in peace but even this was too difficult for the Zionist to give " .. Exactly what are you referring to here? When was this? Don't you think its time for the Gaza and West Bank population to take control of their lives, make a peace settlement with Israel and move on? If we were asked I am sure we could help a lot - and that's not arrogance, but a helping hand. Regarding Lebanon: Back in the 1960's the only stable and peaceful border was the Lebanon border. The results of Black September destabalised the country and it doesn't look like it has ever recovered. Lebanon is a nation state, but has no rule of law. Hizbollah operates independently within the country - its really a state within a state. You say its a "Resistence Movement". What is it resisting exactly ? It seems to resist the Lebanese government. It seems to be effectively the state of Iran operating in large areas of your country. Non-Arabs taking over an Arab land? The UN (definitely not pro Israel) has been pressing for Hizbollah to disarm, but the opposite happened. The reality is that Iran(Hizbollah) was spoiling for a fight with Israel and Lebanon is paying the most terrible price. That's what happens when the pirates come and take over the ship. You should jump ship and start fighting for what is truly worthwhile.
63. 50 is illogical
YedLita ,   USA   (08.10.06)
So I guess after 500 years arabs can not ask For Palestine back? That's the time limit. Well, Israel is 60 years old, 440 left.
64. To Ali & Ahmad in response to Nabil
lebanese ,   beirut   (08.10.06)
I remember you were laughing too when syrians use to kill ur christians brothers and destroy west beirut.i remember you were laughing when Syria occupied lebanon for 30 years,beating ur brothers and killing some of its leaders.I remember you were laughing when christians use to suffer each time syrians draw a war in their areas.I remember when ur Hizbolla fellows entered ashrafieh 2 times lately and burned buildings, smashed cars and shops...Anyway,this war made 1.5 million shiit come to our areas & we are taking care of them & protecting them on ur behalf.And be sure,they are suffering a lot form the situation you brought them in,they hate Hizbolla now & want to go back home.they are praying for IDF to remove Hizbis from lebanon so they can live in peace again,but they are not saying it out loud,they are afraid from you still.wait till this war ends & see the reaction of your own shiit people.You humiliated them,made them sleep on floors,killed them & their children,destroyed their homes.All of that so your stupid hizbis make a war to show up that u can stand a month.You are in guiness book now with a header: "Hassouna goes to war".congratulations, your leaders are hiding underground,your people are sleeping on the ground,your towns are flattened to the ground,your hizbis fighters covers the groung,and you call this winning.same as "Sahaf of Iraq",you are lying to 1.5 million shiit,but your lie won't last long after revealing that you lost this war,and forever this time.Cheers.
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(08.10.06)
2006 - 500 = 1506 in 1506 this region was part of the ottoman empire (turks). not arabs. certainly not palestinians. technically my friend, there was never a country named palestine. perhaps a british mandate. that explains why you are trying to blow up british planes i guess...
66. Nabil the joker
lebanon   (08.10.06)
If civilians mostly childern dying in lebanon makes you laugh then you are not from lebanon. Even the Isralies admit that this war so far has been a big cock up. If cant see that you are not only a liar but a fool also. Keep laughing but not too loud someone might hear.
67. Reply to Ben Avrahom
Citizen of the World ,   London   (08.10.06)
Mr. Avrahom, The issue at debate here is thinking neutrally... It's not debatable that Jews lived in the region and still were, even before the state of Israel was established ensuing the Balfour Declaration. What is debatable however is the manner by which Israelis drove out the Palestinians out of their homes and land in 1948 and later years. And, how the Israeli Army are able to commit such horrible massacres in Lebanon and Palestine, given that only one or two generations ago, the Jews of Europe had witnessed the Holocaust.... You said that one needs to live with one's neighbours. I just ask; have the Israelis learned to do that? I would say no... The apartheid wall in Palestine is a proof of Israelis' failure to do that. I advise you to look back well into the history of the nation you were born into Mr. Avrahom. You were never good neighbours... Israelis have not made their neighbours love them... On a second note; a soldier's life in a state of war (which is the state between Lebanon and Israel) comprises of the risk of death, capture and injury. Your country's soldiers have been captured; this is the terminology for soldiers being 'taken hostages'. I guess it would have been less costly to Israel to go into negotiations to return the Lebanese prisoners in Isreali jails. Why do you think that your country decided to go into war instead to 'free two soldiers'? Doesn't it seem to you a bit fishy? Moreover, this war is clearly not one of deterrence, and one would be very naive to say that it is about freeing the soldiers (or rather one who has only read the news of July 12-13 and not beyond). Hezbollah has not been deterred by the claimed mightiness of Israel's army. Before July 12, Hezbollah's artillery has been a threat to Israel. Starting July 13, Israel woke the dragon from its cave, and that threat has materialised. If you genuinely want to post an opinion Mr. Avrahom, please let it be your own, instead of regurgitating the same informtion that they teach you in Israeli schools as uncontentious facts. On another note, this war is beyond Israel and beyond Hezbollah. It's about who exerts influence in the ME region: the US or Iran, and eventually it is one about who will exert control over the natural resources of the ME region... There is hate in the world, not because our religions are different, but because people in power use religion to create ideologies that incite hate towards the Other. To conclude Mr. Avrahom, don't let anyone use your brains to get their messages through. Develop your own thoughts, and I'll be very glad to read them.
68. proud grandpa
(08.10.06)
is proud grandpa no less than shimon peres?
69. Chris
Dad ,   Texas, USA   (08.10.06)
Sure Chris go ahead and spout that revisionist manure. You know nothing of history except the leftist drivel printed in textbooks. Yes the USA has done things over the years that were wrong. Name one country that hasn't. Imagine a world without the USA. Would there be all of the advances in science, medicine, technology? Would there be freedom of religion? Would there be any free and open discourse without fear of government retribution? While the USA might not be directly responsible for all of these things, they would not have happened without our existence. Rise above your masters talking points and see that the good of the USA outweighs the bad.
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arabic girl ,   tunisia   (08.10.06)
first of all, you must read more about arabic countries because you don t no anything about them and please try to read some objective books! first of all Iran is not an arabic country, it is an islamic country! and you are talking about people put in jail because they are not muslims, who told you that? people who are put in jail are the people who don t respect our religion and insult it and i think that nobady have the right to insult any religion no matter if this religion is islam or Christianity or jew ...no? and about tunisia, yes we have some churches despite there is no many christians here and we have one of the most important synagogues in the world and every year we have hundreds of jewish from all over the world who come to visit it ! and if you watched news last month you would see how in the manifastations against the war in egypt, the muslims and christians there was holding each others hand and walking together! you are talking about intolerence, go and see how arabic citizens are traited in usa, they are living in hell, if anything happens they always accuse them without even try to know the reality, many american muslims are in jail just because they are muslims( or terrorist as they called them there) and most of them are innocent, at least we are not pretending to be democratic as usa pretends!
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arabic girl ,   tunisia   (08.10.06)
i didn t think that in sweden there are people scared from us too! the one who had brainwash are you, you are believing all what usa and israel and other anti-islam countries are saying without even trying to know the reality. usa is beeing attacked by muslims because the us gvmt is unfair with muslims no matter if they are american or not. i m not saying that what many muslims are doing there against civilians is good but what the usa is doing made the most reasonable man get crazy. i m not saying that we are all the time innocent,because the good and the evil exist in all religions and all times but we can t put all the responsibility in them. about israel i don t think it is considered from the western countries, because if so, this is an other reason why israelis must go out our lands! if you try to know more about arabs you ll find that what is happening in the western countries is nothing compared to what muslims and arabs are facing everyday, try to come and live in palestine one day and you ll see. no don t go to palestine, go to usa and say that you are arabic or muslim and you ll see how they are will treat you, but if you are bowth(muslim and arabic), god helps you!
72. to arabic girl
bill ,   ny, usa   (08.10.06)
u r an idiot. i have no other words. i almost feel frustrated to have to respond to such stupidity. I am a muslim in ny. the best place in the world. i cant imagine any muslim people treating us fairly after 9/11. in USA THEY DO. Thank god, americans do understand that not all muslims are as dumb as you. i am ashamed to share my religions with such simpletons. my heart goes out to teh lebanese. but lets admit it, we need to take care of our own crazies. by the way, your great hizballah blastst israeli arab villages daily. they dont care. i am disgusted by your kind.
73. to arabic girl
seeker of truth ,   Cleveland, USA   (08.10.06)
I believe that your view of the world (and the view of many muslim/arab people) is, unfortunately, the root cause of all the conflicts in the world today. Your view is exactly opposite from reality. Real history and real facts shred every statement that you have made. Please try to read some unbiased history and listen to some unbiased reporting before next putting your fingers to keyboard.
74. To 71 Arabic girl
Daniel ,   Sweden   (08.10.06)
I’m not scarred or opposed to all Arabs but I’m to the fanatical ones. I have friends who are Muslims of Arabic descent. They have a more unbiased and rational opinion on the Middle East. Your opinion is the same which unfortunately also exit among some Arabs in Sweden. In Swedish schools there have even been incidences of children of Arabs descent that have been writing essays and supporting terrorists like Bin Laden. This is surely due to the parents influence but why in the first place have these Arabs immigrated to a western country. How many Arabs don’t us the same rhetoric about Jews like the Nazis did? There are even Muslims and Arabs in Sweden who are afraid of Arabic supporters of terrorists. But according to you they are brain washed. I’m rather tired of people who opposes Israel is saying that that Israel gets support from the USA. But many Arab countries also get aid, both financial and military, from the West and the USA. Why is this omitted? What would Tunisia be without technical know how from the West and USA? Seems to me that Arabs like you always believe they are the most victimized ones but still lack empathy towards others. The trouble by not accepting the state of Israel is that there will always be a conflict. Jews have long before Islam and Christianity lived in Israel. I’m sure you must agree with that. Israel has fought well in all wars and won all wars but has also shown a willingness to give away land for peace. But this will never be enough for Arabs like you. You want all of Israel but this will never happen.
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arabic girl ,   tunisia   (08.11.06)
i doubt that you are a muslim bill, are you sure? in my comment, i wasn t talking about u.s citizens , i made it clear that i m talking about u.s gvmt ! also i didn t say that i m with the attacks against civilians but i said that it is not only attackers fault, it is also u.s gvmt fault (what means the attackers are responsible not innocent) and the whole world know that. if your heart really goes out to the lebanese so try to do something to make your country not to use the veto then bowth israel and hezbollah will cease fire and try to negociate ! do you know that your loving country is using your taxes to give israel more weapons to kill more innocent civilians? what do you think about that? about hezbullah blasting israeli arab villages, they have warned them and they chose to stay there, and i think if israel is treatting them as the other citizens as she is pretending they will not be hurt as much as they are now, without saying that she is using them as a pressure to make hezbullah stop firing. if you want people to love you, you must love them, not give them more reasons to hate you, and that is what your gvmt is doing, giving people more reasons to hate her! go and take care of your own stupid crazies (who was talking as hobos when they thought that their microphones are off) then we will take care of our own crazies!(and don t say that you are from us cause you are not).
76. Reply to # 67
Ben Avrahom ,   Jerusalem   (08.11.06)
Reply to #67 OK we won the War of Independence and you guys didn't like it. This led to more fighting (Suez), Six Day War and plenty in between and plenty after. We won every war and won more land. Going into the Lebanon in the 1980''s was primarily to drive the PLO out. I thought that a secondary reason was to support Bashir Gemayal's as Prime Minister, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Anyhow he was assassinated and we got locked into Lebanon. Back to the Six Day War after which Israel offered to give everything back to you guys (not called Pals then – that was us!) except the Old City – or at least access to the Jewish Quarter etc. etc. Your side came out with a line of "No's". etc. Four or five "no's" – what difference it's such nonsense (as in no sense). We both know the general history from '67 to now. Every time you lose a war, you act like it’s a victory. In Syria, the Yom Kippur war is treated like an annual victory celebration – we've all seen it on the TV. In that war Syria lost very badly - despite having at one time being in an almost overwhelming military position. Israel fought back and a relatively small number of very brave men managed to snatch complete victory from the jaws of defeat. Something to be proud of – but we don't celebrate this war and each anniversary is a very somber moment when we remember our dead loved ones. The mind set is just so different. I said that you guys need to live with your neighbors, and of course we, in Israel, have learned to do that in many parts of the country where Arabs and Jews co-exist – particularly in the North. Go visit Abu Ghosh, etc. etc. You mention the apartheid wall – but it has stopped a lot of bombings in Israel. I believe that we are good neighbors with Jordan and if you guys can educate yourselves not to hate and not to be so negative and destructive good things could happen. You need to have some good peacetime leaders – but it hardly seems to exist. Now I think Israel has just gone to war (a) because Hizbollah's action was a clear act of war and (b) to clear this provocative and destabilizing organization from Southern Lebanon. With the intelligence that has now been gathered from S. Lebanon, any military analyst would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see Hiizbollah and Iran for what it is and for what it is planning. We are talking about a major international war here. You compare Hizbollah to a "dragon in its cave". It just looks to me like a pointless, mindless killing machine. Lets just suppose that we all have a vote and decide to become Moslem, pray to Mecca, cover the women up etc. WHERE IS THE GAIN? WHAT IS THE POINT? I am trying not be insulting, but I just can't see what you guys have to offer. Much of the world is racing ahead with amazing technologies in the medical field, communications etc. etc. and you guys are saying "come and join our almost dead culture and learn to hate everybody and enjoy some killing. If you really want to get on – blow yourself up! Now that is what I find "fishy"! You mention that Hizbollah has not been deterred by the claimed mightiness of Israel's army – but there at least 500 dead terrorists and the Hizbollah infra-structure has been pretty well chewed over. Now I do agree with you that this war is probably about who exerts influence in the ME region. You won't like to hear this, but I think it is Israel who makes the things happen here – not Iran or USA etc. We don't have oil, but our economy and our people are a phenomena. You may think that this is due to USA etc, but you would be wrong. Turn your energy into something creative – you will have a much more satisfying life. What's the phrase – "ïf you can't beat them, join them".
77. Arabic girl
Dad ,   Texas,USA   (08.11.06)
"if you want people to love you, you must love them, not give them more reasons to hate you". You should read what you write and take it to heart. The USA which is filled with Christians,Jews,Muslims,and all other religious beliefs has shown more love and kindness to Muslims the world over. Who went into Kosovo and stopped the ethnic cleansing? Who went to Iran with aid supplies after their terrible earthquakes? Who went to Indonesia after the tsunami and began immediate aid long before the buffoons at the U.N. had even tried to collect aid supplies? We have done more for Muslims than any one including other Muslims have done. You and Your kind have shown no love to Christians, Jews, Hindus, or others. What do your kind do when faced with people of other faiths? You call them infidels. You attack them. You rape their women. You kill them and take their belongings. You know nothing of love or kindness. Get a Bible or a Torah and find what the real God wants you to be.
78. Israel invasion of Lebanon
Dave ,   usa   (08.11.06)
Hezbollah is going to suck the IDF in deep and circle behind cutting them off. Bye, bye, IDF Time to leave.
79. Dave
Dad ,   Texas,USA   (08.11.06)
Hi Dave. Just a question. How is The Israeli Army going to be encircled if It has all of Israel on its South side? You sound like a fellow who has not thought this out. Hopefully someday you will find out what an artillery barrage will do to you. Join your little terrorist friends in the "Mother" of all battles. Then they can ship your ass home in a small box.
80. #12
tony ,   PARIS   (08.11.06)
I fail to understand what you are doing on this site??I'm sure all the "TRUE " facts that you in the arab world get from Al-mannar and Al-Jazeera are more than just " truethfull "reportings ,In fact They must be the "ONLY "news channels that get the "RIGHT FACTS" about this war??,When will you Arabs ,once and for all,accept the fact ,that you are being LIED to,Brainwashed,daily,about the "EVIL JEWS",and concerning your 3 year old son,,,Don't you think he'll be better off without the Fairytale story of the 72 virgins awaiting him in Allah's Paradise;;You guy's are such HYPOCRITES,teaching your children that their destiny is to become Martyres,For Allah;How Pathetic,you are,,and you talk to us about TRUTH??(ZAI ELDRAT ALBALAT)Its more applicable to you than to us...You must be really a proud ,nation,wanting to murder everybody and anybody,just for the sake of pleasing ALLAH.May I sugest you knock yourself off ,first ,and then you can say to allah ,that you killed yourself and only yourself,for him;and lets see what he replies to you HUH??,Pity you wont be here to tell us...DUMB REQUEST HUH,,
81. #64
steven ,   france   (08.11.06)
Dear Lebanese guy.I have only one thing to say to you..BRAVO;;Your words are a drop in the ocean,but ,mon cher,a drop that I hope will turn into a tidle wave,and bring all the Lebanes to their senses..You have courage mon ami,but unfortunately that courage is far too unheard of,Your words should be heard in the streets of Beirut,and in the Mouths of all free Lebanese;;GET HIZBOLLAH OUT NOW.
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