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Jackie Mason suing Jews for Jesus
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Published: 25.08.06, 17:50
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91. (89) Can you read English ? Read again my post !
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.28.06)
and put aside perfidious, hateful calumny. " Islam and Judaism are no threat to my faith. " If you do not understand this sentence, what can I say ? But your false interpretation does not give you the right to sully my reputation. SHAME ON YOU. Go and play football, you usually excel in that sport. Pele is my idol : I saw him playing when he was 17 in 1958. He was some player !
92. To Pele (89)
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.28.06)
« Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. » 1 Corinthians 13, 4-8 (First Epistle of Paul)
93. The Jewish Response to Missionaries
Adam Shapiro ,   Cape Town, SA   (08.28.06)
For fact : Please read The Jewish Response to Missionaries by Rabbi Bentzion Krawitz (of Jews for Judaism fame) and The Real Messiah? by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan. These books will explain to everyone how missionaries are lying through their teeth with EVERY comment they make about the Jewish way of life
94. I rebuke JFJ for their great sin
Michael U ,   SF,CA   (08.28.06)
We are coming into the month of Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, two of our most holy days. Hashems coventent is still strong with his people, the nation of Yisrael. The evil forces which work for the heretic known as Jesus are doomed. They are performing the greatest desecration of the name of the Holy One, bless his holy name. According to Jewish belief the Moshiach is not a 'son of g-d', he is not eternal. Moshiach is a saviour, one who will bring the whole world to the word of G-d. Jesus, if he even was pious, was a heretic according to the words of his own disciples. Believing that he was the only son of g-d {all Jews consider themselves the son of g-d, I do..} was heresy. Performing miracles and magic, heresy... Deserving stoning... But he was crucified {by the romans]. I pray that the message gets out to avoid these messianic cults like JFJ and may Hashem continue to protect us from those forces of evil. I rebuke JFJ and Jesus. They are sinful and lead others to sin.
95. Mason has a new title
hanina ,   usa   (08.29.06)
Comedian/messiah mazal tov jackie on your new role. Might as well make them laugh after you save them, or before you destroy them.
96. When Messiah comes, ask him "is this your 1st visit or 2nd?"
trying to be humble ,   USA   (08.29.06)
97. Marcel Abel
Michael A. Gold ,   EL Paso, Texas, USA   (08.29.06)
Marcel to use the excuse that you are old and sick is not an excuse. You seem to access this website with no problem. Pascal was French as King Louis XIV was. albert mohler is a leader of the Southern Baptist Church. paqid 16 is a "MASIT" (transliteration from Old Hebrew to American English) (which means fraud) aka clint van nest a former SBC minister. Leo N. Tolstoy was an Russian/Eastern Orthodox Christian who wrote 'War and Peace' Mark Twain aka Samuel Clemens who was an Agonostic who wrote 'the Adventures of Tom Sawyer' and other books. All these people can be "GOOLGED" from your computer. Marcel you wrote that you are Catholic, hitler was Catholic, just as martin luther was. So by being a Catholic you agree with hitler and luther? DNA has proven that Jews are a RACE and continues to do so everyday. Even hitler and luther knew Jews are/were a Race. Would it bother you if someone said, "Marcel, you should become an American Citizen, because the French are wrong"? I don't have problems with you being Catholic and/or French. I am not trying to convert you or anyone else to Judaism. So why do you have problems with me and my people following Judaism? Recently an Eastern Orthodox Monk told me that, " Jesus was not for the Jews, but for the Gentiles. Jews already have a direct line to and from the G-D of Israel, they have no need for a MEDIATOR. It is all those who are not Jews, that need Jesus as a mediator." Marcel, try converting all those OTHER Christians (Mormans, Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox, Southern Baptist, etc.) to your brand of Christianity first!! Good Luck!!! FYI---El Paso, Texas sits on the same latitude as Jerusalem, Israel. AND the 3 Synagogues located in El Paso remain on the same latitude of the 2 Temples in Jerusalem. BTW I am not as young as you think. But thank you for the compliment. All things are mortal, but the Jew. The Jew is as everlasting as is eternity itself. (MT, LT). Everyday I thank G-D, the G-D of my forefathers, the G-D of Israel that I have been born a Jew. Ps. Have a SPARKLING day in your hood!!
98. To (94) and all.
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.29.06)
I am a French Catholic loving your site. Rebuking Jesus is the evidence you do not want to respect our faith. That's evidence of your intolerance and your hateful, despicable attitude which Talmud and Torah condemn ! The sinner is you as Christians have proven around the world that they have human values which make them respectable. You are playing the Devil's Advocate but be careful and wiser since the last word HAS the Lord. You are jewish, so why not asking your Jewish Sages about Jesus ? Paul's Epistle is for all who truly love each other beyond the frontiers delimiting the space of selfishness and rejection. Experiency rejection as a child is a deep emotional hurt. It's not less devastating when adult age has come ! Paul said : « 1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13, 1-13 (First Epistle of Paul) The Lord bless you all.
99. Rejection by "Mainline" Judaism
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.29.06)
Rabbinical Judaism fiercely rejected any kind of messianic claim on the part of Jesus. True, most Jews were indeed expecting a Messiah -- but the majority were expecting one who would come as a military liberator after the fashion of David, the ancient and much revered king. When Jesus came more as a prophet --more as an Isaiah than a David --, this became problematic for much of the Jewish community. Indeed, Jesus had offered spiritual counsel to the multitudes -- not military strategy. In fact, he clearly had distanced himself from the fierce mood of Jewish nationalism flaring up in those days against the Roman occupation. Worse, Jesus had been breezy with the Jewish Law--proposing to replace it with the law of forgiveness, healing and love. This made him and his movement totally unacceptable to mainstream Judaism. Jesus was perceived as a false prophet and his movement as a blasphemous heresy--no minor matter in orthodox Judaism. But : Heresy for Jews, true Messiah for Christians around the world. If the Messiah was to come, He would have to arrive on the scene just when Jesus did --in the exact year ! (Daniel 9,25) And in Luc we read : He (Jesus) said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you : Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms." 45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, "This is what is written : The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." (Luc 24, 44-49)
100. (97) Love is patient, ... it is not proud (Paul)
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.29.06)
What is the problem with you ? Am I your scapegoat ? 1) you meant " agnostic " not " Agonostic " I suppose. 2) What do you know about my health problems ? I need a special device. My age and my disease are not an excuse not more than your ignorance. 3) You pretend know Pascal, French history, etc. Excellent. But for them I do not need Google. 4) Mohler, Paquid et al. have no interest for me, but you seem visit them quite often. 5) My special problem is that : I quote you « Marcel you wrote that you are Catholic, hitler was Catholic, just as martin luther was. So by being a Catholic you agree with hitler and luther? DNA has proven that Jews are a RACE and continues to do so everyday. Even hitler and luther knew Jews are/were a Race. Would it bother you if someone said, "Marcel, you should become an American Citizen, because the French are wrong ?" » You do not REALIZE what you write. - Hitler was not a Catholic and hated Catholics (Google' error). - You say Hitler = Luther = Me. Shocking ! The Lord forgive you ! - Your comparison about American citizen is unbalanced and biassed. After Tragedy MORE Comic is to come. I cite you : « DNA has proven that Jews are a RACE and continues to do so everyday. Even hitler and luther knew Jews are/were a Race. » STOP reading Magazines and start studying basic facts. For example, I have not used DNA technique to know that I was and I am what I am just now, so to say : Marcel Abel, just what my parents revealed me a few years ago. Please let criminal Police, Judges, Researchers use DNA, but you, and I don't want to offend you, use your brain and some logic (Descartes, then Kant in Kritik der reinen Vernunft, ---> no Google just my poor brain and the rest in it). By the way, do you know how can we know that someone is REALLY educated (cultivated) ? When someone asked about it would answer : « My ignorance has a few gaps ... (No, no, no, no Google). - " Mormans" (you meant Mormons), " South " (you meant Southern probably, I think now you could exhaust Google, and Google should reward you for gratis publicity) , so Southern Baptist is rather where Paquid came from, but I am not sure, please check with G----E, thank you). - You can tell me on which latitude in the vicinity of El Paso (magic word, when I was young, westerns, pan pan, etc., nostalgia, nostalgia, quand tu nous tiens, pardon, I meant when you seize us), on which latitude then will be the third Temple ? - I quote you again : " Everyday I thank G-D, the G-D of my forefathers, the G-D of Israel that I have been born a Jew. " I am quite happy for you, sure ... Seriously, if for example (no, no, no G----E) Martin Luther King were not in Heaven, but still on our good Earth (you know Symphony by Mahler in Das Lied der Erde (no, no, no ... please fill in, thanks), he would be happy to meet BOTH, you the sometimes arrogant Jew and me a poor sick (yes, yes, yes, no, no, no G----E). with multiple sclerosis, painful you know for typing when it becomes difficult to type and to read even with police size about 30, feeling useless that I would give my life in replacement of those civilians killed in the war (poor children, no time was given them to complain and to laugh and to live and love). Glorious time ! Where is your G-od, where is Your Messiah-King. Not arrived yet, I know. What we need just know is that love embraces the entire earth telling us : love each other as I have loved you. Faith, Peace and Love (Saint Paul, then Charles Peguy). - I am really tired now. Au revoir, my Friend, and don't give me a Judas kiss in your next post (If any). May the Lord bless all Nations !
101. # 100 Marcel
Frank Dorado ,   Baton Rouge, La   (08.31.06)
Thank you for your rhetoric. Hopefully you are done. This article is about Jackie Mason and the defamation of his name and character by the J4J. This article is not about Jesus. If you wish to proselytize, start with all the French who are not Catholic. In other words, plain and simple, your preaching is not welcomed here. There are many Christian websites that would welcome your rants and ravings. Have a nice day!! Just do it someplace else, besides this website.
102. Jackie Mason and Jews for Zeus
J. Charles Scott ,   New York, NY   (09.01.06)
The real reason Jackie got so annoyed is that he’s a member of a much older organization, Jews for Zeus (http://jewsforzeus.blogspot.com/). Not that he asked for it, but we’ve inducted him all the same. So there. ;)
103. Frank Dorado, Baton Rouge, La
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (09.01.06)
It's not Rhetoric, it's indirectly about you and some Paquid whose posts I read (one or two, his "philosophy" being of little interest. I prefer the great classics not those not humble enough to recognize their human, fallible limits. Do you know you both are not welcome in Israel. It's not my case. The world is my village and all people are like friends to me and me to them. What is not welcome is your trying to make believe in things you properly hate. My posts are not injurious, they try to be balanced and loving, the contrary of what you are accusing me. Read this and peace with you, when a Baptist (you) meets other Baptists (Not me). I wonder how John the Baptist would react at your desire of rejecting me and all sincere religious people jewish or not. Let me tell you and that very tranquilly I have, Marcel Abel, (Marcel is not my first name, even that you will deprive me of) been welcomed everywhere as a friend and missed after leaving. Read this (If it's not waste of time for you) : " And after they had mocked Him (Jesus), they took the purple off Him, and put His garments on Him. And they led Him out to crucify Him." " And they pressed into service a passer-by coming from the country, Simon of Cyrene (the father of Alexander and Rufus), to bear His cross." " And they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, place of a Skull. And they tried to give Him wine mixed with myrrh; but He did not take it." " And they crucified Him, and divided up His garments among themselves, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take. " (Mark 15, 20-24) (NAS) I wish so much I could have been Simon and you ?
104. #103 Marcel Abel
Frank Dorado ,   BR, La   (09.01.06)
Thank you. Have a nice day.
105. Re: Marcel Abel
(09.05.06)
What are you and the Catholic Church doing to help Jews in France?! Subject: The enemy is in France... Once again, the real news is conveniently not being reported as it should. At present, in my Hebrew class, there is a woman who recently made aliya (immigration to Israel) from Paris with her family. I have spoken with her about anti-Semitism in France and she confirmed that it is very, very serious and getting worse every week. She and her family fled Paris and came to Israel, fearing for their lives - literally. To give you an idea of what's going on in France where there are now between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews, here is an email that came from another Jew still in France. He writes, "I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France: In Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently. A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The bus that takes Jewish children to school in Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months. According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen 10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past 30 days. Wake up, world! Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas chambers" and "Death to the Jews." A gunman opened fire on a kosher butcher's shop (and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse, France; a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five men in Villeurbanne, France. The woman was pregnant. a Jewish school was broken into and vandalized in Sarcelles, France. This was in the past week. So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a friend, or merely a person with the capacity and desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do, at least, these three simple things : First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let yourself become deluded into thinking that this is not your fight. I remind you of what Pastor Neimoller said in World War II: First they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Communist .Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. Second, boycott France and French products. Only the Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and, unlike them, France exports more than just oil and hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes. Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and, whatever else we may know about the French, we most certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a hurricane in the face of well directed pressure . Third, send this along to your family, your friends, and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of good conscience that you know and let them know that you and the people that you care about need their help. The number one best selling book in France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud," which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon.
106. (105) Anonymous propaganda !
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (09.07.06)
Such one-sided, anonymous talkbacks will obtain NO ANSWER from me. Do not approach disguised and I will comment your remarks !
107. # 106 Marcel Abel
Michael A. Gold ,   El Paso, Tx   (09.07.06)
Marcel, you answered 105's question! Thank you!! Have a nice day!!!
108. (107) YOU CAN PLAY WITH BUT NOT ON WORDS !
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (09.07.06)
I have not answered to the disguised (105) and I will not answer if (105) refuses to give name or alias. There is no question of breaking with established rules of basic courtesy, Jewish or not. Only rude and prejudiced people cannot understand that point.
109. LOVE it or LEAVE it.
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (09.07.06)
"And He (Jesus) began speaking a parable to the invited guests when He noticed how they had been picking out the places of honor at the table; saying to them: "When you are invited by someone to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor, lest someone more distinguished than you may have been invited by him, and he who invited you both shall come and say to you, 'Give place to this man,' and then in disgrace you proceed to occupy the last place." "But when you are invited, go and recline at the last place, so that when the one who has invited you comes, he may say to you, 'Friend, move up higher'; then you will have honor in the sight of all who are at the table with you." "For everyone who exalts himself shall be humbled, and he who humbles himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:7-11 (NAS) If a country invites you, welcomes you, gives you bread and freedom, LOVE that country or LEAVE it.
110. Marcel Abel
Michael A. Gold ,   El Paso,Tx   (09.07.06)
Thank you! Have a nice day.
111. jews for jesus christianity 101
gabi lawrence ,   braintree england   (12.06.06)
Your comment is interesting, how strange you can be a buddhist and still be a jew but when it comes to christianity you can't be both. I always believed that being jewish is a national identity, religion is something you identify with i. e. i am german and a christian, but i am still german, so why can't someone who by nationality is jewish not be a Jew yet a believing Jew?
112. oxymoron
Forest McNeir ,   Gretna, LA, USA   (05.18.08)
I could not agree more. Anyone even remotely familiar with the differences between Judaism and Christianity knows that Christians accept Jesus as Messiah while Jews do not. Jews for Jesus deviates from Christian Bible doctrine which states categorically that: "You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Galations 3:26-29) This was written by none other than Saul of Tarsus (AKA St Paul the Apostle) who, before his conversion was the quintessential Pharisee. (Called a "Pharisee among Pharisees.") He well understood that "Jew for Jesus" is not only an oxymoron. It is moronic. The least a proselytizer could do when evangelizing a Jew is to be honest about the full implications of conversion. Just my take on this issue. Respectfully, Forest McNeir
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