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Expert: No peace with Muslims, ever
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 14.09.06, 16:38
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31. Who are Sharon's Muslims?
Kate ,   Jerusalem   (09.14.06)
There are yet muslim's capable of accepting reform and refocus. There are also Muslims who accept Israel and Muslims who believe in peace and Muslims who love their children and Muslims who want to build a better world and a brighter future. There are Muslim librarians and Muslim lawyers. There are Muslim Gardeners and Muslim computer technicians. There are Muslim doctors and Muslim nurses. Of course, there are Muslim lunatics and terrorists and men like Ahmenadijad and clerics who really should be institutionalized. Sharon's analysis leaves us with nothing BUT armeggedon as a solution. If Islam is incompatible with freedom and Israel - then we either all jump in the sea, convert, or wipe all Muslims off the face of the earth. We are at a turning point - brought about by the lunatics and terrorists. Either we open the door, invite and even co-erce change in the way the Muslim "armeggedon" is understood or we face that armeggedon. If we open the door - there are enough Muslim ushers to keep that door open.
32. THE REALITY NOBODY WANTS TO FACE
Mike ,   South Africa   (09.14.06)
At least we see that the Prof is not scared to expain in simple language, the reality of the situation. We must face this issue with courage in order to foil this evil. We have done so in the past and we will continue to do so in the future until the real Moshiach comes. We are invincible.
33. Diatribes from the Hebrew University
Ace ,   Dayton, OH   (09.14.06)
The professoe is right on target. I don't like hatred but the Muslims started this mess and they keep puching it. You all seem to miss the fact that Israel withdrew from the West Bank, and Gaza. What did it get them Hezbolluh at their front gates. Their can be no peace with Islam. They want anyone not muslim converted, enslaved or dead. Wake up man if you aren't interested in being Muslim you better fight before it's too late.
34. fine wtih me
a7amd ,   jeddah   (09.14.06)
No peace with zaionest, ever
35. #15 Persian CAT
ak   (09.14.06)
The Jews and Muslims have certainly lived in peace before, some do right now in Iran, Turkey and some other societies... Right, they had lived peacefully when Jews were submissive dhimmis, whom Muslims could kill- and they often did- at will. Are you longing for the return of Jewish dhimmihood?
36. #18, point to fanatical Jews blowing up trains and buildings
AK   (09.14.06)
37. #19, cleao, what next world? we want this one, peaceful
AK   (09.14.06)
You Muslims start reforming your faith so that you can coexist with other faiths and accept them as equal. Jews do.
38. Toni from Beirut -- read up on Jewish religion
AK   (09.14.06)
but from Jewish sources. Find out what the Jews really believe and not what Muslims and Christians think they do. Then you'll realise how silly and uninformed your post really is.
39. To all the people disagreeing with Prof. Sharon
The Raccoon   (09.14.06)
Please study the Koran and the Sunnah and the Sira. Please listen to Islamic leaders, to Islamic preachers, to Islamic press. What he says is plain truth - truth that is there in the open. All of the above sources are crystal clear. Are you so timid that you'd rather pretend there is danger than face it? You are like sheep in the slaughterhouse: you can smell the blood, you can see the knife... but you'de rather ignore it and follow the rest of the herd. Islam will bring you slavery, death, or both. To you and everyone you know. ISLAM SAYS SO, LOUDLY AND CLEARLY - WHY ARE YOU IGNORING IT?
40. Welcome to Islam 101
malcolm   (09.14.06)
If we don't educate ourselves Ahmadinejad will educate US. http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-world
41. MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS AGREE
Arik Silverman ,   MIlwaukee USA   (09.14.06)
The 12th Imam, the Mahdi, and the Antichrist, 666. Remember that Jerry Falwell, US television preacher and giant figure in the "religious right," with much influence on George Bush and Republicans, has stated that 666 the Antichrist is alive and is a Jew living in Israel. Both Christians and, the professor says, Shiite Muslims, believe there will be an Apocalyptic Final Battle. This is a very interesting conjunction of religious opinions. Can the US Christians be trusted any more than Shiites?
42. how did you get this equation
Simon Mohammed ,   VA USA   (09.14.06)
if you want to speak about other religion you should know about them, then you need to do it within respect and positive way. there is no such a thing in Islam that say Peace = Killing But there is some thing that say if you try to kill me i have a right to defend my self and fight you. this is a basic right of every human been regardless the beleive, religion, race sex etc. the right equation is if you fight me = i have a right to fight you and VS Versa the other one is: Peace = self amd mututal respect + positive intiative and reciprocate Please don't be arrogant thank you
43. Rustum #28
steve ,   USA   (09.14.06)
Rustum, you wrote: "...it should be noted that one can dig into the religious tracts of Judaism and dig out vile and bigoted rulings ...but everyone knows that the barbaric and primitive sides of all religions are best left to the realm of scholars and not dragged out as some representative example of a living religion." >>>>> I do not at all see the validity of your comparison. If we are going to compare the primitive sides of religions, then we need to compare the primary texts: The Qur'an vs. the Torah. No where in the Torah does 'God' command the faithful to Murder or to subjugate all "unbelievers" simply because they are unbelievers, as Allah does in the Qur'an. There is often a difference between an "unbeliever" --- one who does not worship Allah as god and accept Muhammad as his prophet --- and a wicked and vile human being. Osam bin Laden, on September 11, 2001 murdered some 3,000 "unbelievers," as the Qur'an enjoins of the good Muslim believer. Neither were the Jews --- unlike the Muslims ---- commanded to spread our faith by the edge of the sword throughout the earth as Allah enjoined of the faithful Muslim to jihad. The Jews were not given an "imperial" religion The Muslims were given an imperial world-conquering religious tradition. So there is a vast difference here between these two religions.
44. Nicolaus, get it through your head: Zionism is great.
AK   (09.14.06)
If you want peace, start worrying about Arab nationalism and Islamic imperialism. Despite of what you have read in The Protocols of the Elders of the Zion (which were proven to be created by Tsarist provocateurs) the Zionists do not want to control the world, just the land of Israel, which is really a tiny sliver of land, and be left alone by the world and people like you.
45. The only way to handle Iran...
Chinbro ,   CHICAGO   (09.14.06)
is in biblical proportions: Anashim, Nashim, V'tahf.
46. What did you expect from Iran?
Omar ,   Lebanon   (09.14.06)
The Iranians have been a strong-headed nation since the rise of the Persian Empire. What difference is it now? I personally wish to see U.S. Forces going to Iran and crushing it into the ground -- better than that of Iraq. Moreover, what did you expect from a nation of Shi'a Muslims who already have existing militant parties all over the Middle East, seeking to Shi'a-ize everyone?
47. Nice try Rustum, Nicolaus.
Chatich   (09.14.06)
Or should I say Ahmed and Khaled? You're not fooling anyone with your pseudo-intellectual views and painfully obvious manufactured use of English vocabulary. The Professor is not talking about the "one Muslim in the UK", but rather the millions upon millions of brainwashed killing machines on our doorstep, wearing explosive belts and hypnotcally chanting "death to Israel". Your hezbollah inspired attempts at spinning the truth are of no value here, among the intelligent readers. Go spread your terrorist-sympathizing propaganda rot amongst the unwashed masses (you know, your peers).
48. #9 &.... He rightly professed it, but
(09.14.06)
have you all come to think of it ? Shiite is the minority sect of muslims.
49. The myth of "Islamophobia"
Larry ,   Eastbourne, UK   (09.14.06)
Muslims are very fond of complaining of "Islamophobia" but there is no such thing. There is, however, what I would describe as "Islamofascism-phobia" or, as I read recently and which puts it quite well, "Jihadophobia".
50. The myth of the "moderate Muslim"
Larry ,   Eastbourne, UK   (09.14.06)
The concept of a "moderate Muslim" is a myth because such a being may be defined as follows:- A Muslim who is opposed to terrorism except for terrorism against Israelis and Jews. The latter is OK because it is not terrorism at all but "resistance". How "moderate" is that? And can anyone come up with a better definition?
51. Professor or Clairvoyant
Michael ,   Haifa   (09.14.06)
The eminent Professor appears to get his empirical evidence out of a Crystal Ball or tea leaves...he certainly doesn't share his evidence with us simple people
52. Rustum the expert on religions
Besalel ,   Kew Gardens, NY   (09.14.06)
First you attack the professor's interpretation of Islam and then you proclaim that Judaism is also filled with hatred. I guess you must be a, expert on all religions. I seriously wonder if you have ever read the Koran and the volumes of writings associated with it or the Torah and the library of works interpreting it. Why is it that when experts in Islam stand and tell you what Islam is all about people like yourself and George W. come and tell us that the opposite is true. Who made you the expert? While I applaud every effort to find coexistence and peace, perhaps it can be better attained not by telling Muslims what Islam should be but by telling them how they better be; Islam nothwithstanding.
53. #47 Nicolaus
marv ,   san francisco, USA   (09.14.06)
Nice going. Nicholaus...You pinpointed Herr Geobels Rustum aka Machmoud just perfectly. He is at least an Arab apologist and at most a paid propagandist and it doesn't take much after following his prior rhetoric to see right through this mean spirited "traveler"..That's my opinion ...Thanks...Thanks for being so articulate
54. as a moslem
fatima ,   jerusalem   (09.14.06)
as iam a moslem i believe in god saying and muhamad saying ..but sure there is many thing about the end of time as i know there is such thing in bible and taorah ..but the difference from this article that the moslems are strongly believe in their holy book ...BUT the moslems believe that the history is coming by god decision it is not by force or human hands /so aljehad is to define the selfe and property evry now and then ..in our quran god say that no one know about the moment of the end of time ,,yes it is a moment and it is suddenly ..all moslem believe of that ..the religouse or some of them the cristian and the jews ..want to force the history as they want ..but not in moslem believe ...trust the iranian if they tell that they want to define their property their brothers ,,becouse it is the jihad in islam as god order evry moslem to defend the live of moslems and the property of the moslems ,,but the end of time will come but no one know when or how ,,this is our believe as moslems
55. Add to the professor what the Pop Said
Simo HAmmed ,   USA   (09.14.06)
It is not a coincidence but a well study planned agenda. Made By men in the name of whatsoever theu beleive in and this include every thing and every one. I consider this God Game and good luck to who will win. at the end every one will lose if people don't get smart and respect each other and respect each other. If God exist as the first people who claim it , an evolution shoukd have taken part in the history and it is normal that God was tired of people and ended sending his light and set up the game, and we are living into this game. If we attack the end of the evolution as the professor suggest, then the first people who claim the notion of God has made it up and we go to the Athesit area, and no should claim whatsoever forever any preference from the same God so all is should be a lie, or should be true. the Goal is to learn how to respect each other. Sorry about my bad english Friendly
56. israel
*****   (09.14.06)
israel can fight them in any war there is casulties
57. 54 fatima - what about 9-11?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (09.14.06)
you say: "aljehad is to define the selfe and property evry now and then" how was 9-11 defending your self and property? what about 7-7 bombings in london? how was that defending self and property by killing british civilians? all this, and more, done in the name of islam and aljehad. it is many things, but you can't say it is the religion of peace with all of the killing. that's not religion, that's immoral.
58. I was told that Islam was the religion of Peace?
Scott Neuman ,   Okemos, USA   (09.14.06)
I guess my fearless leaders are dilusional in their assessments. The professor also is dilusional if he thinks that any country, save Israel, has the guts to stop Iran. However, Olmert, Livni and Peretz are themselves gutless wonders that obey all commands from Condi Rice. I guess I better build a bomb shelter.
59. Kate #31 Muslims who believe in peace
steve ,   USA   (09.14.06)
Kate, you wrote: "There are also Muslims who accept Israel and Muslims who believe in peace and Muslims who love their children and Muslims who want to build a better world and a brighter future. There are Muslim librarians and Muslim lawyers.... " We have a fairly large Muslim-American community here in my area. On Sept. 11, 2001, we got word that some of America's Muslim librarians, lawyers and doctors (and their children) were delighted over the atrocities. One of the prominent members of our local Muslim community --- a doctor who, along with his wife, loves his American-born children --- wrote a letter to the editor condemning the terrorism on 9/11 and condemned it as un-Islamic and evil. Several months later, his Palestinian Muslim wife wrote a letter to the editor commending the late Chairman Yasser Arafat for all the good things he did for the Palestinian people. Friends who socialize with our peace-loving Muslim neighbors have told me they believe the Jews basically control the media and many other institutions throughout the world. Still, these are moderate, peace-loving Muslims. Call me suspicious. I have a hard time accepting your optimistic viewpoint. Are there some peaceful Muslims? Probably. But how many, and are they really good Muslims if they do not support the jihad against unbelievers?
60. Academic freedom and Iran
Lars ,   Finnland   (09.14.06)
Academic freedom means, that anyone can make public his thesis and the academic society will evaluate them. So, everyone has a possibility to academic dissertation and argumentation. I have lately read the book " The Myth of Islamic Tolerance - how islamic Law Thereats Non-muslims" The book is edited by Robert Spencer. I recommend that book to anyone, who will learn something about religious tolerance - or should I say non-tolerance. I am not astonished about Iranian nuclear program and Mr Moshe Sharon´s opinions. There are really well-grounded facts about his opinions.
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