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Initiative: Middle East peace conference without Israel
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 07.12.06, 10:38
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61. #53 No Kidding Sherlock
Samn Weinstein ,   USA   (12.07.06)
I have been screaming this out for years and everyone just realizeing it. Look at the vietnamese who the US Backstabbed and the way the US forced israel to accept the first blow in the 73 war and then held back weapons.
62. #4 Mahmood...huh?
DR ,   Florida, USA   (12.07.06)
I am not sure what point you are trying to make, but there can be conferences, peace summits etc. without Israel. That's fine, The US will realize that its not Jewish pessure, but Arabic hate that causee instability in the region. Palestinians will still never have the right to return and destroy Israel from within, Jerusalem will still be Isarel's capital, and radical Muslims will still be terrorists. Nothing will change by this.
63. Watch your back
Everett Jiles ,   San DIego USA   (12.07.06)
I'm very disappointed with where our government is headed. All I can say to the Israel People is,, You can no longer count on the U.S. to watch your back. Give away nothing, there is no amount of land that will ever pacify any of your neighbors. If it were up to me, I’d take out Damascus and Tehran today. Dealing with the aftermath might be a little painful but you would have some peace.
64. do not say congratulation
maya ,   jerusalem   (12.07.06)
if any one do not invite you to any party .. do not say congratulation .. but when america invade iraq . who invite her .. sure it is not the arab /but the arab say to israil now [ congratulation ] even if no one need this israil in any conferance / no one invite her // but saying [congratulation to israil and to rice .. is it hot is it more than 250 cintigrade .. . i do not know // but say congratulation
65. ANSWER TO #62
MAHMOOD ,   LONDON-UK   (12.07.06)
Oh no,DR.You must be burning inside.USA will not have to realise anyhting........it has already realised exactly contrary to what you are trying to suggest.All I know is that you will have to live with all this and I know it bugs you.
66. americans has done lots of good for us!
megi ,   london   (12.07.06)
i wanted to say thank you to all americans.
67. Baker Saudi Arabia
Sam Weinstein ,   USA   (12.07.06)
Interesting his law firm if I am looking at the right one has a office in Saudi based on the website
68. Number 13
David ,   toronto   (12.07.06)
Cant get rid of americas pressure we literally survive with their forergn aid help i doubt the europeans will pony up the money
69. Peace Conference
Irv Wengrow ,   troy mi   (12.07.06)
Nothing new here from James Baker. He's still fighting the same battle he fought under Bush I - make Israel (and the Jews) a scapegoat for all the problems in the region and world
70. #65, Mahmood...
DR ,   Florida, USA   (12.07.06)
I don't know what they are feeding you in London, but the US is still Israel's number one ally. People here, including Muslims, understand that Isarel is and always will be right. When your neighbors want to destroy you, you have to fight back. This is a simple fact which most educated people understand. Palis use "occupation" as an excuse for violence and terror all the time and the world ( except Syria, Iran, etc.) are sick of it. This is also the reason that Israel has broken so many biased UN resolutions without punishment. The US always backs Israel and always will. I know this burns you up inside, but its reality, something you people have a hard time understanding.
71. Baker wanted to do this in 1991
Mark ,   USA   (12.07.06)
US to Shamir, we will hold the conference anyway, and "let the political chips fall where they may." The US had threatened to decide the future of Israel without Israel "if Israel remain[ed] obdurate
72. I do understand Baker's frustration.
Mark ,   USA   (12.07.06)
Dealing with some Jewish people can be very very difficult. You can call me a self-hating Jew but at least I am honest. Some Jews (Not All) are way too stubborn and unyielding. Their behavior generates Anti-Semitism and I can clearly see why they have a negative view of Jews. I had sympathy for them and was ashamed of being linked to that tribe. Very ashamed.
73. #71 Israel would have pre-empted attacked
Sam WEinstein ,   USA   (12.07.06)
In my opinion Israel would have pre-empted attacked Syria and possibly Jordan if the US tried to do that.
74. #45 Bush is Not in Charge Cheney is.
Mark ,   USA   (12.07.06)
75. It unfolds like clockwork
R. Alkalai ,   USA   (12.07.06)
2 'Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 and say: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; 4 and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed most gorgeously, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords: 5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north, and all his bands; even many peoples with thee. 7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou guarded of them. 15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the uttermost parts of the north, thou, and many peoples with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company and a mighty army; 16 and thou shalt come up against My people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the end of days, and I will bring thee against My land, that the nations may know Me, when I shall be sanctified through thee, O Gog, before their eyes. {S} 27 when I have brought them back from the peoples, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations. 28 And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, in that I caused them to go into captivity among the nations, and have gathered them unto their own land; and I will leave none of them any more there; 29 neither will I hide My face any more from them; for I have poured out My spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.' {P}
76. A Peace Conference Without Israel
Ephraim Rubinger ,   Miami, USA   (12.07.06)
Hevreh, It should have been no surprise to us., James Baker has always had a cold spot in his heart for Jews and Israel. Remember his statement to Bush senior? "f---k the Jews. They did not vote for us anyway?" Mass protests should start immediately to what woould be a Munich re-run. This news is one of the most ominous clouds in an already very darkened horizon. Finally, Mark listen well. Jews do not "cause" anti-Semitism. Anti-Semites cause anti-Semitism. Stop blaming the victim
77. my repost,read it
the jew ,   germany   (12.07.06)
Everything the U.S. does is for american interests,not israeli.The U.S. uses Israel for its own advantage in the middle east.Everything the U.S. does in the middle east has to do with its oil policy, to include contracs,and direct weapon sales.The U.S. arms Israel to the tune of 2.5 billion dollars annualy for a reason. Arming Israel sets off an arms race in the middle east that has benefited the U.S. greatly.This 2.5 billion investment in Israel has meant a 400 billion purchase of weapons from the saudis sinse 1990,and thats just the saudis,I bet your 401k dosent perform that well. Without middle east sales americas weapons manufacturing would quickly erode,or the government would have to tax americans like they have never been taxed before. Israel is forced to play the puppet,and America becomes richer,and more influencial in the middle east.Small wars between Israel and the arabs are a positive thing for the U.S.,as long as they dont influence the oil markets too much. Israels role in the middle east is not just about weapons,but about influence.American leaders know that arab leaders fall all over themselves to pretend like they are assisting the palestinians,its what keeps them in power.Before any large american contract in saudi arabia can be made,the saudi leader will tell the U.S. state department to criticize Israel on its handling of the palestinian situation.Other arab leaders will then be made aware of the fact that the saudis have influence with the americans,and even with Israel,and force them to do the same.This sets off competition,meaning more lucrative contracts for the U.S. Most americans still believe that the Iraq war was about the liberation of a people, WMD, terrorisim or assisting Israel.The fact that ridding the world of Hussien was good for Israel,and the U.S.does not mean that Israel in any way controls the strings(and yes olmert is an idiot for even opening his mouth).Israels is americas tool in the middle east,and is treated as such.Americas main focus in the middle east is the oil producing states.The reason for the Iraq war was the fear that some day Hussien would reconstitute his strength and attack Kuwait or even Saudi Arabia,nothing more,and nothing less.In the "real" world there are no allies,just partners.The U.S. has been both a good partner to Israel,and a bad one.The U.S. permanently spies on Israel taking photos of every inch of Israel from space,and occasionally sells them to israels enemies when they need certain favors.America also sells some of its most advanced technology to israels enemies,and in some cases such as with Egypt,the americans have even shown the egyptians how to build their own abrams tanks( the egyptians today manufacture abrams tanks). The Iraq study group is made of of non-experts on the middle east,with the exception of Baker. Baker is an expert,but hardly an honest broker.He (Baker) has a history of bieng pro-big oil,and will favor any solution that will maintain the status quo,in other words do nothing that will upset the arab world,and her dictators.Unfortunately the west will continue to fail in the middle east,as arabs have become more and more radicalized due to poverty,high birth rates,and lack of basic human rights.Anyone that believes that the elimination of Israel will solve any of the problems of the arab world is in a complete state of denial. In conclusion I will say this.As long as the oil producing states continue to offer no manufacturing threat to the west,and continue to purchase weapons like kids in a toy store,along with other western goodies,then the west will attempt to maintain the status quo. The arabs today are as colonized as they have ever been,and things wont be changing any time soon.If arabs would focus more on education,and a modern economy,and less on Israel,they could rid themselves of their colonial masters within a generation.
78. peace without Israel
Hilda ,   USA   (12.07.06)
Remember this is the man who said F--k the Jews. They won't vote for you anyway. Of course he wants a conference withourt Israel because he would like to eliminate Israel entirely. He is as much an enemy of Israel as Iran is and that is why he wants Bush to talk to Iran and Syria., I said months ago that there are forces that want the US to make a deal with Iran where they will destroy Israel but not touch the US. They think they can save themselves that way. Wait until their wives have to wear Burkas
79. Middle East Conference without Israel
I Ellyn ,   Toronto, Canada   (12.08.06)
James Baker's suggestion to hold a regional Middle East Conference without inviting Israel displays the anti-Israel bias he had when he was Secretary of State. What Jewish pressure is Mr. Baker talking about. The United States has always been committed to the peace and security of Israel and Israel has an unquestioned right to demand that these rights be preserved especially against those extreme factions who deny Israel's right to exist.
80. Mideast Peace Conference
Bob Phillips ,   Clarksburg, WV, USA   (12.08.06)
Munich, 1938.
81. no conference without Israel
chester williams ,   Jeffrey,wv 25114 USA   (12.08.06)
The land of Israel belongs to Israel and not to the arab's. if our leaders in america follow James Bakers advice they will have assumed that Israel belongs to america and that they have a right to speak for her. God will punish america if we betray Israel.I say to the leaders of Israel do not let america speak for you.somewhere you have to draw the line no matter how much aid you receive from america.
82. james baker is the devil
Laura   (12.08.06)
Not only is james baker morally reprehensible, he is an outright traitor serving his saudi masters. Instead of giving recomendations for U.S. policy in Iraq, the bastard ought to be imprisoned for treason.
83. US Mid-East Policy Shift
Rene ,   Vancouver, Canada   (12.08.06)
Israel is now reaping the bitter harvest of its military failures. International relations recognize strength. Israeli society must straighten its back and jettison the corrupt weaklings heading the country. This would demonstrate to the US that Israel is a worthwhile ally.
84. james baker: a creature of no moral character
Laura   (12.08.06)
May he be inflicted with a devestating, debilitating, deadly disease. baker is in the same category as ahmadinejad, assad, hamas and hezbollah. He is as much an enemy of America as they are.
85. Finally, someone with common sense
Eric ,   USA   (12.08.06)
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is indeed the core issue that needs to be solved. The world has the obgligation to solve it for Israel and Palestine as they have proven they can't do it themselves. Thank God the US is finally on the right track, and the neo-conservative wackos are out of power.
86. Nations of the Earth are free to do what they want...
Roy Galut ,   Selah Washington USA   (12.08.06)
But Prophets of old have already shared what the end of the story in the mideast will be.... See Psalms 83 & ezekiel 36 thru 40 The Nations of earth might want to not ignore What God has said....
87. Baker & Co. would sell their own mother..
vlad ,   australia   (12.08.06)
88. The real reason for M/E conflict
Mike ,   Australia   (12.08.06)
Why get all upset? What do you all expect from compromisers like the USA.? The real reason for conflict is Jew hating. Any movement to undefendable borders meas no Israel. simple really. Islam has to defeat the Jews or else Mohemed is a liar and Islam is a lie. Either the G-d of Abraham, jacob and Issac is true or He isn't.
89. Selling Israel down the River
Ben ,   Michigan, USA   (12.08.06)
1938 repeats itself with a different cast of characters. Rise up and revolt. Scream HELL NO!!! Shrub & co. are selling Israel down the river and Olmert is going along with it. We can't get rid of Shrub until '08. You can get rid of Olmert. Do it! Get leadership with a spine. Talk to Iran & Syria? Yes! Three words: GO TO HELL!!! Then punch their tickets.
90. Good for Baker!
Dennis ,   Petoskey, MI USA   (12.08.06)
The United States has gotten NOTHING out of its masochistic 60-year pseudo-alliance with Israel. It's time to cut the apron strings, guys! We're not interested in a constant war so you can keep your stolen land!
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