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US: Jews launch Operation Screwball
Itamar Eichner
Published: 07.01.07, 08:47
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121. Blah Blah Blah...tma
Elokim ,   Israel   (01.10.07)
That's really all that's coming out of your head....Blah Blah Blah...Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah
122. debbie
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
No medal needed . I always said that not all the charidi are bad . I only gave an example of one of them , i appreciate very much . There are other religious people i know , even some very religious . I also said , more than once , that's sad that not more are as those i know . There would be much more tolerance . I lived long enough "begalut " , with many charidim as neighbours , to know them . So you have not to tell me who they are .
123. Shakeup like the earthquake in NY
Josh   (01.10.07)
When will Rabbis acknowledge what is right and what is wrong for the nation of Israel and for the Torah Pashoot as Mosses delivered. G-d will show anger against these men who mislead and disgrace Israel the people.
124. tma
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
In my # 76 i wrote : we , not so young olim are good consumers . You can verifie . Your answer was , that many retirees have difficult times , you are 100 % right . But i did not talk about retirees , but RETIRED OLIM . In your # 79 you state : charidim are good consumers . in # 94 They manage with less income . in # 102 : lack of funds . How can someone with less income , or lack of funds , be a good consumer ? buy cars , fly El Al , and so on ? You did not accept my invitation , so that i can give you proofs of what i'm writing . Do not tell me any more i'm a lier . In my mother tongue , not French , there is a saying , i translate [ thank you for refreshing my memory ] ON YOUR OWN BEHAVIOUR , YOU KNOW OTHERS . I , generally believe what people are telling me , why should they lie on their name , or residency place ? there is nothing to be ashamed of . I'm not ashamed of my name , and only once for living in this town . Do you remember some six months ago ? this Synagogue that was vandalized with antisemite sign's ? I paid a visit there , the first time since making alyah , not to pray , but to see what those beasts had done . It was , even for a secular as i am , very painfull . It was not an attack on religious only , but on all Jews . And this was what made me ashamed . Regarding my family , if you visit me you will see . Regarding French : i NEVER said that i was an ex French national , only French speaking . Your memory in this case is not so good . But even French was not my mother tongue . And you , why are you hidding your name , your town ? ashamed of your writings ? You are right , you can be ashamed .
125. curious
debbie ,   N.O ,LA   (01.10.07)
Since I am relatively new to this I was wondering- isn't there a Hebrew version of this site?If so,I wonder why those individuals write on the English site?It's ok although I don't quite understand some of the posts-or the point. In any case,Charles,I think you are quite obnoxious and never see that maybe it is you who are intolerant-maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks.Maybe your neighbors also saw this major problem with you.
126. charles
debbie ,   N.O.,LA   (01.10.07)
First of all I am from the U.S and therefore I know more chareidim than you ever did so stop being so grandiose with the"I know them". Who do you think you are?!Does the word "jerk" translate into your French vocabulary?
127. debbie
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
Do you have Charidi neighbours ? I had many . In my building there was even a young Satmar family . On the other side , a Belzer , also a friend and above him another satmar . At less than 400 meter from my house , you had : schools of Chassidei Gur , and others , Synaguoges of most of the Charidim , the Belzer a little bit farther . I had two charidi workmates . And so on . It is not because you live in the USA , where there are many of them , that you know them , maybe yes , maybe no . And , i begin to mistrust many writers . Do you really live in the USA ? It's was morning when you wrote , women generally if they do'nt work outside , have other things to do than writing tb's . I do'nt know what jerk means , not important , since i return this to sender .
128. Debbie
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
you wrote : you can't teach an old dog tricks . It's not i who said this , but i ask : are you trully an old dog ? Do you like cats ? are you not to old to run after them ? I had no special problems , waf waf in your dogs language , with my religious neighbours , nor they with me . They had to accept that i drove my car Shabbat , not to "lehach'his" them , but because i needed or wanted to do so . And i had nothing to say about their behaviour , generally very friendly with me , not hatefilled . waf waf in you language . Run , your boss is bringing you some food . Debbie , sorry for those dog storys , i could not refrain from jumping on this occasion . In my second language , French , i would say , sans rancune ? [ without rancour , or grudge ?] Was this a hate filled tb ? Try also to moderate your tb's , i know , sometimes it's difficult , but if you want it , i'm also ready . I'm intolerant toward intolerants , tolerant towards tolerants . I prefer to be tolerant , sometimes also very difficult . Hebrew sites : i don't know if there is also a possibility to tb in hebrew .
129. Wasn't it the freedom of speech conference?
test ,   test   (01.10.07)
Attacking them for their beliefs, banning them from anywhere, and blacklisting them is not right. Sorry but that's exactly what should NOT be done.
130. Hebrew sites for Debbie
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
I have looked . Yes , ynet exists also in Hebrew , others also . Always ready to help , if i can .
131. Charles
debbie ,   N.O LA   (01.10.07)
First of all look at the time and you will see that you are 8 hrs ahead of us.#2 I work in the afternoons and get up early FYI.I grew up and was raised in Brooklyn FYI again.I think I "lived" with them- DUH!Did you realize "they"come in all shapes and forms,as all individuals do?There are tolerants and intolerants everywhere,in all groups and communities?You are very condescending and leave much to be desired. Yes, I think I live in the USA-I can express myself quite well thank you.
132. Charles
debbie ,   NO,LA   (01.10.07)
Do you not understand what "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"?It is an expression- Generally speaking it means the so-called tolerants are quite the opposite.They take pride in being the "tolerance" barometer for others and never change their views.What are you?The so-called expert in the world of Chareidim?Do you have special insight into "these"people?
133. Debbie
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
the saying : you can't teach ......exist in more than one language , and means [ not adressed to you ] you have not to teach a lier to lie [ or everything else ] I'm far from considering myself as expert in the field of charidim , and i know , i wrote it , that there are very fine people among them . There are also others , as in every community , who are not so nice . And those i do not like , i'm not alone , even some tb'ers who have not my ideas regarding religion , are against them in some aspects . Do you agree that some behaviour is inacceptable ? not alone this of the nk iran visitors , condemned by many if not most , but from other fanatics . And on this i will not change my view , some behaviour is for me disgusting , and intolerable .
134. to test test
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
my first answer did not appear , maybe later . In European countrys there is freedom of speech , and that's very fine . But , yes there is a but , there are limits , and one of these limits is denying the holocaust . You say acting against them as it is done is wrong ? what had you done ? Giving them a reception in the VIP salons of JFK ? A warm reception by all the Jewish communities ? Those iran visitors , and their supporters , deserve harsher sanctions than those applied to them .
135. horrible
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.07)
i was for some minutes on the nk website . Worser that i could imagine . The same words as the most virulent arab anti Israel voices . And there is no general cherem on them ! Rav Ovadia Yossef , Where is Your voice ? And all the other Israeli Rabbanim ? why not a cherem on them ? Are they still to be considered being Jewish ? This is not hate against the Israeli Rabbanim , only against those iran visitors and their supporters . It's also a demand for a strong action , a condemnation is not enough Rav Metzger , more is needed
136. sayings/charles
debbie ,   N.O.,LA   (01.11.07)
"An old dog...has to do with people holding on to their beliefs and ideas no matter what"...I don't know what you were saying but there is definitely a communication gap.I am not saying that people who don't express themselves well in English shouldn't be on the site but it still is difficult to understand and fully comprehend what is being written.I do not go on Hebrew or French sites bec I know I can't communicate and the translations from these languages to English come out very choppy,unclear and make no sense(to me).
137. Debbie Your 132
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.11.07)
Good morning . "you can't teach an old dog tricks" means what i wrote , clearly , and i repeat it : You have not to teach a [ lier , thief and so on ] how to lie , and so on . Is this understandable to you ? This saying has NOTHING to do with opposite or something others . Is this clear to you ? What is tolerance for you ? I'll answer in your name : tolerance for you is "not criticise anything" . That's not tolerance . Tolerance is accepting other people , other lifestyle , other views . You have not to agree with them , you can discuss them , but you have to aknowledge that there are other views . You have to accept critics , if you want to criticise others . In every community there are bad people , and those are who i don'nt like . If you not understand my writing , sorry , it's because you do'nt want it . Have a nice day .
138. tma your # 120 I'm sorry
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.11.07)
I'm sorry for having told you you are copying me . Sincerely . I hope you believe this , but since you do not believe anything i wrote ,i'm also sceptical now . I'm sure that in Israel French is spoken much more in the daily life than in let's say Romania . I'm doing it every day . Waiting for an answer on my last tb . My invitation is still valid , you will see i'm only telling the thrut . Have a fine Shabbat [ sincerely ]
139. tma Good consumers ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.11.07)
Seen the new study about poverty ? this study reveals that amongst the ultra orthodox in Jerusalem the poverty rate has reached 70 % . And this for people you call good consumers . You tell "boubbemaises" i am supposed to believe , but do'nt believe others who tell the thrut . Fine morality ! Congratulations !
140. chareidim, left wingers
Leah   (01.12.07)
seems like this is doing a heck of a lot to promote ahavas Yisroel! try counting to 10 -- or 100 -- before making nasty comments. Shabbat SHOLOM!
141. Neturei Karta Thinking
Jerry Henderson ,   El Paso, Texas USA   (01.20.07)
Such a terrible shame to see our co-religionists giving such comfort to "the enemy!" I think it is well and good for them if they believe as they believe, but their actions will ultimately be the cause of additional bloodshed and heartache. I doubt when Iran decides to toss bombs into Israel that they will have given mantles of safety to the Neturei Karta citizens. Sadly, their blood will therefore be on their own hands. It doesn't matter. When their blood seeps into the sand, along with that of so many other beautiful people, I will join those living in tears.
142. #17 Wake up
Merlin ,   Boston, USA   (01.26.07)
The NK should be barred from Israel. But so should Arabs who seek to destroy Israel. You are blind to this because you hate observant Jews and settlers more than you hate the Arabs who want to kill you. Wake up. Merlin
143. trater's!!!!!!!!!!! bandits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yakov bard ,   usa   (02.05.07)
i disagree with you meyer. were talkingnot about a freedom of speech issue, but sireous stuff. they coldbloodly join the ''pact of evil'' [ in my word's] therefore they desurve to be ban'd from public. take satmer as an example, they put aside their anti-zionisom and ban'd netura karta .sincerly , yakov s.bard
144. nk
y.b. ,   usa   (02.05.07)
i agree too
145. Almadenajab
richard mallin ,   tampa, fl.   (02.13.07)
Sad, some people would kiss a horse's ass.
146. Karta
Morton Feldspaar ,   New York, NY   (03.08.07)
Here we go again. Jews fighting Jews, Jews hating Jews. Don't we EVER learn???
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