If the American Jewish Lobby is so powerful, how come Israel keeps shrinking? Gaza is gone; Sinai, Hebron, Judea, Samaria - all are completely or partially chopped up, and all of this as the so-called powerful Jewish Lobby stood by and watched. The people who are all in knots over this Powerful Jewish Lobby are, of course, standard issue and street-corner anti-Semites.

those who were in Beggin's Camp David ought to speak out about Carter's false report of it in his book.

Carter came out of the closet as an Xtian Replacement Theologist who never did accept Israel's existence as a Jewish state. His phased plan for the destruction of Israel began when he was US President and continues to today: 1)Turn Iran over to radical Islamists who will eventually attack Israel from the East. 2)Manipulate Israel into giving back our defensive buffer of the Sinai, exposing us to attack on the West 3) Obtain hudna for Egypt to build up her army and fund Egypt several billions dollars to build her army for an eventual attack on Israel 4) Conduct world-wide propaganda campaign against Israel and her Jews as he has begun with his book and public appearances. Carter believes Jews should be punished and dispersed around the world because he believes they killed J---s X. He has worked his plan and is now out of the closet as an Xtian Replacement Theologist.

I received Carter's book as a Christmas present from my daughter. I have carefully read every page. The first 120 pages were rather stale and boring. But starting with Chapter 7, things improved. It was refreshing to read the honest and eye-opening words of this great American president. Carter did not go far enough, in my opinion, he was absolutely correct to describe the brutal Israeli occupation as "apartheid", he should have continued on that track and identified the second-class citizenship of Arab Israelis as modern-day "Jim Crow". Carter correctly blames PM Begin for the Israeli double-dealing and treachery that doomed the Camp David Accords. He rightly faulted Ariel Sharon for initiating the US-financed, illegal settlement activity which is so problematic today. Carter correctly points out that while AIPAC has tremendous influence in American politics, there is no counterbalancing pro-US lobby influencing Israeli politics. Israel enjoys US representation without US taxation. Carter's scathing criticism of the US-financed apartheid wall was especially refreshing to read. Carter, and many other Americans, wonder how there can be two Israels - the Biblical Israel, a birthplace of Western values and civilization - and the modern-day Israel, a militarized and savage entity that derives its power through state-sponsored Jewish supremacy.

Hey, easy with billions! We are more than 1,5 billion Moslems! We are two billion RABBITS! IT's an awful lot!Therefore - embrace our religion, submit to Al-Arnab an-Nabi (peace be upon Him) and accept his Holy Carrot teaching. If not-beware: RABBITS ARE COMING!

Even WND will not come up with arguments like "Israeli arabs are using these roads". When we say appartheid roads, we mean they are closed for the population of the west bank (excluding few illegal settlers), and they remain a source of racial and religious discrimination even if a budhist from Honolulu rides a bike on a trip to Guadalajara uses this road.

just to name a few that you will find on every talkback. For these sad souls anything Anti-Israel will do. First almost all missed the point or simply did not want to address it, for obvious reasons. Plocker's point is that even the defenders of Carter have to resort to distortion at best and outright lies at worst. NY loner read the book, so what!! I did also, except that I took out from the library. I disagree with everything "loner" states and will, if asked refute every point of his one sided remarks. Flower is the funniest though, no thought just sarcasm, no need to prattle on eh! Flower. #18 afraid to give a name, enough said coward. Inyaki, the silliness of your remarks I absolutely love. "the fence is built entirely on Palestinian territory, is more true than otherwise". Well, not exactly... you see it IS TRUE or IS NOT TRUE. Fact 45% of the fence is NOT on Palestinian land, that means IT IS NOT TRUE!!! Now doesn't that more sense that your convoluted attempt to justify a lie. More true than not true please!! You are beautifully twisted. 1.5 bil. All over the boards just a instigator,a puppet with no original thought just parrots the arab propaganda. John , South Riding. I know you think Carter is right, and every other scholar who disagees with him is wrong. Let me tell you something when one guy says turn right and most other people are saying turn left, turn left. Tell me do you have a problem with the NRA? AIPAC follows the same rules. Thanks MARK FROM GEORGIA USA

Buddhists are peaceful people. They do not pray for death, murder, suicide and holy war 5 times a day. Nor do they teach their children that non muslims need to die and strap bombs to themselves to blow people up. If they did, I can assure you they would not be riding on the same road as others.

Carter was not willing to debate Harvard Law Prof. Alan Dershowitz. So the professor spoke at Brandeis after Carter left. Dershowitz made several critical points, including the fact that Carter does not address the Arab demand for a "right of return", even if Israel withdrew from all territory captured in '67, so as to destroy Israel's Jewish character. Dershowitz also pointed out that Carter does not fault Arafat for refusing to make a deal, or even make a counter-offer at Camp David. The root of the problem is not humiliation or occupation. It's the refusal to recognize the historic connection of the Jewish people to the land between the Mediteranean and the Jordan River, and the right of Israel to exist as the permanent national Jewish homeland.

the two states should have been declared in 1937 to save the jews of europe . extreme islam is apartheid in its legislation jews and even christians being second class . conversion and intermarriage cuold be a death penalty in the islamic califate . a realistic islam adjusting to the extreme evil and extreme miracles of these times can make peace with israel.

From deep in the seat of the Bible Belt, Mark pounds his chest and declares, " I disagree with everything "loner" states and will, if asked refute every point of his one sided remarks". Go ahead, I'm asking you to refute my posts, point for point. Try to do so without resorting to the old canard, that anyone who criticizes the Jewish State is guilty of of "anti-Semitism". Or is that lame accusation all that you have? American born-agains are useful idiots for Zionism, American and Israeli Jewry can sit back and enjoy the spectacle of Americans turning away from our founding principles - secualr governance, seperation of church and state, pluralism and liberal ideology - and embracing faith-based, race-based colonialism in the 21st century. The Diaspora and memerized Georgians have turned on one of their greatest supporters, Jimmy Carter, and Israel would likewise turn on America in an instant, if the Israelis ever thought that the incredibly generous American Aid were to be suspended, for cause. AIPAC bribes insure that this will never happen, of course. Non-Jews who ascribe to the notion of Jewish supremacy - the Chosen People/Promised Land concept - are self-hating gentiles and subservient, submissive underlings. Israel-first Americans, like George Bush and his neocon handlers, pose an existential threat to the United States of America. Of course, neo-confederates in the Bible Belt would welcome the dissolution of our union, if that is what would be required for prophecy fulfillment in Palestine. Christian fundamentalists and Zionists represent a clear and present danger to the American way. Go ahead, Mark, I await your response.

I couldnot not have said it better!

Sam, isn't it strange that no working, US politician has come out to defend Jimmy Carter? We can expect such silence from the GOP, that party was hijacked by the born-agains in the late sixties. More interestingly, not a single Democratic politician has stepped forward, to my knowledge, to say a word on behalf of President Carter, a man who, unlike George W. Bush, actually attempted to solve the Palestine/Israel conflict. Carter presided over the uninterrupted siphoning of billions of US Treasury dollars to the state of Israel, during his four -year presidency, behold, how these Israeli ingrates now bite the hand that fed them! As I said before, if America should ever stop aiding, defending and bankrolling the Jewish State, the Israelis would have the will, the way and the twisted rationale to destroy us.

Carter keeps on saying his book is supposed to spark an 'open debate' on the Israeli-Arab conflict. Yet, when give an opportunity to do just that, he chickened out. Carter refused to debate Alan Dershowitz at Brandeis University, and from campus to campus pro-Israel speakers like Daniel Pipes get roughed up and drowned out by hecklers...So much for a fair debate, eh?!

i do not read the book .but if i want to post without reading the book ,i will write the same post as yours .. i think it is the truth

"When we say appartheid roads, we mean they are closed for the population of the west bank ." Apartheid was a set of SA laws that created separate and unequal positions for SA citizens based on color. R18 admits that Israel allows all of its citizens to use the roads, regardless of race, religion or creed. That directly contradicts the claim of apartheid yet R18 still claims the word is accurate. He admits he lies. Of course the other parts he ignores are: 1) The Arabs declared the war 2) It's a disputed war zone 3) The Pals killed more Israelis on the roads when both peoples could use the roads 4) Every nation has the right to restrict enemy aliens during a time of war. Oops, I'm wrong about 4. According to antisemites, that should read "Every nation except that Jewish one..."

Pipes and Dershowitz are de facto Israeli agents. Those two professional, Zionist pitchmen would use every known logical fallacy - from crude ad hominem and false dichotomies to outright rhetorical dishonesty - in order to assassinate the character of President Carter. Jimmy Carter is an honorable gentleman and a senior American statesman; Pipes and Dershowitz, on the other hand, are whining shills for a foreign entity and an alien, anachronistic ideology.

loner states: Carter did not go far enough (in loners opinion) Carter should said that Israel treats Arab Israelis as second class citizens too. Reply: In FACT, Carter has stated the opposite since the release of his book. He has said he WAS NOT talking about Israel. That Arabs in Israel have the same rights as any Israeli ( to vote, own land, free press, the legal system, to run for political office just to name a few ). So I guess you agree with Carter on one hand, plus think he is a liar on the other hand ( lies through omission ), interesting. loner: agrees this time with Carter that PM Begin was double-dealing at camp-David and Sharon "initiated settlements" Reply: Both are false. Their are others with the Israeli team that have refuted that claim. What loner speaks of is the settlement freeze PM Begin promised, Carter stated it was 5 years, others in the room said it 3 months which was complied with by Israel. Sharon continued the settlement activity from previous goverments. loner: Agrees with Carter about AIPAC having to much influence but also adds to what Carter wrote with his silly thing about taxes that Carter NEVER discussed in his book. Reply: AIPAC follows the same rules that the ( NRA, MD's, Lawyers and the hundreds of others ) follow. Which is common in the USA. loner: Agrees w/Carters scathing criticism of the wall. Everything is US-financed to loner. Reply: There have been NO terrorist attacks anywhere the fence has been completed. That seems relavent to me but is NOT mentioned by Carter or loner. Also only 4% percent of the fence is a wall I have more but must leave for a meeting I'll finish this later. Thanks for the opportunity to reply Mark from Georgia

Thank you, Mark for maintaining a civil tone in your posts to me, I will attempt to reciprocate. Perhaps we could even find some common ground. This TB board is getting stale, please comment on my livejournal.com weblog. Here is the link: http://new-york-loner.livejournal.com/ If you post anonymously, (joining the community at lj is easy and it's free) include your username from this board in your text. You are right, Jimmy Carter has recently said that his "apartheid" comparison was limited to Israeli actions in Gaza and the West Bank (the OPT). I took it one logical step further. If, as you say, President Carter has stated that, "Arabs in Israel have the same rights as any Israeli ( to vote, own land, free press, the legal system, to run for political office just to name a few ). ", then the former President is either ill-informed or he is denying reality, perhaps in a vain effort to appease his vicious critics. As a Georgian, I'm sure that you are aware of the JIm Crow period in the American South. Why do you find it so incredulous that Zionists would practice their own brand of Jim Crow? Maybe you have been fooled by all the "G-d's Chosen People" propaganda. A recent Haaretz article revealed that , for whatever reasons, the average Arab-Israeli household survives on about a third of the income as their Jewish--Israeli countrymen. That's Jim Crow. Arab-Israelis are not required to serve in the IDF, as their Jewish fellow-citizens are required to do. Arab-Israelis are actually discouraged from joining the IDF - on flimsy Israeli "security" pretexts. The result is a segregated, all-Jewish military force. That's Jim Crow. Since most Israeli citizen-benefits are tied to service in the IDF, the so-called Israeli "affirmative action" programs - such as subsidized housing, educational benefits etc. - are designed to benefit Israeli-Jews and to effectively discriminate against Arab-Israelis. That's Jim Crow. Arab-Israelis who wish to repatriate their extended families into Israel or who may wish to marry an Arab living in the OPT are routinely denied their basic human rights to do so. Arab Israelis can leave Israel to join their Arab kin or an Arab spouse in the OPT, but living together, in the Jewish State, is verboten. These laws are deliberately designed to preserve and expand the Jewish majority in Israel. That's Jim Crow. Although Arab Israelis can vote and hold office, their Knesset coalition has never been asked to form a coalition with the ruling party. Israeli plurality is a sham. That's Jim Crow. I never said that Carter was a "liar", you threw that in for texture, I suppose. Jimmy Carter and I agree on more things than we disagree on, vis-a-vis the Israel/Palestine conflict.. I invite you to my site, many from Nashville frequent my boards. You'll feel right at home. I try to keep it civil, if not cordial. Please, join us. Loner

Carter is being sued by DENNIS ROSS (formerly of the Clinton administration) for the fact that, in Carter's book, he not only uses maps from Ross' book to describe the Camp David negotiations, but misleadingly MISLABELS them, to create the impression that the Palestinians were offered less at Camp David than they actually were. Ross' interpretation of his maps is consistent with Bill Clinton's. So two true-blue Americans (not alleged foreign shills) Doesn't sound too upright to me...

While many of your facts are correct, you omit other relevant, related facts, thus reaching faulty conclusions. For example: Haredi Jews have the same rate of income as Arabs. This suggests that the income is not a result of prejudice, but rather of poverty resulting from having many children, and usually one stay at home parent (the common link between the two groups). BTW, aren't Arab minorities also the poorer demographic in most European nations? Why do you not mention them? Leaving aside the fact that the security concerns for not drafting most Arab-Israelis are not flimsy, please note that the IDF has Druze and Beduoin soldiers, as well as non-Jewish Russian soldiers, hence it is not all-Jewish, as you claim. Also, to counterbalance the post-army civil service benefits, there arehuge minority-only benefits in the society, particularly in terms of college scholarships. Also, note that Arabs (20% of the population) receive 50% of the welfare benefits. The laws regarding prevention of Palestinian citizens through intermarriage with Arab Israelis are there to prevent the entrance of Palestinian elements, in terms of security/terror risk (as happened in the past), NOT, as you claim, in order to increase the Jewish demographic. Again, you can't dismiss security as lightly as you do. The Knesset doesn't have a coalition with the Arab parties because it doesn't have a common interest with most other parties. This isn't racist, this mere politics. There are plenty of all-Jewish parties that have NEVER been in the coalition, many of them from the RIGHT. In fact, the only party that has been banned is the right-wing Kahane party. This is despite the fact that Arab MKs have visited enemy nations without authorization on more than one occasion and several current and former MKs identify themselves as Palestinians, NOT Israelis (thus, breaking their oath of allegiance that they take when sworn in). If anything, that seems to be an effort to bend over backwards to maintain pluralism.

Carter won't debate anyone on the issues he has raised in his book because he knows that he is lying and has nothing to support his argument. Your laughable claim that he does not debate 'zionist agents' like Dershowitz and Pipes is the craziest thing I have ever heard.

when any one speake about the palastinian israili cnflect ,it meanes the israili in israil and the palastinian in gaza and the west bank .. it is not the arabi israil which they are one and a halfe milion .sure they have not the same rights as the israili .. the palastinians here in kabatia ,genin ,nablus kalkelia ......... etc have no rights but they are ruled by the israili .idf are here in the sheckpoints between evry village and evry city and anothers ..why /why ask them not me nor mr carter

# 53 response stated in a concise and correct manner which I believe refuted most of your points. You do at times use correct facts but leave out relevent information. I don't know whether these are intentional omissions or not? This is what Carter is accused of . I am NOT saying that about you. I simply don't know you well enough to make that sort of remark. After all I'm not a mind reader. Although I did not say you called Carter a liar, for the record, but yes it was good texture. Jim Crow was far different than the Israeli/Palestinian affair. The Blacks were not trying to blow -up innocent people, they were thought to be inferior. That is NOT the case w/Israel. Mark from Georgia have to run again good talking , thanks

Thank goodness there are intelligent, experienced, and talented people with a true sense of historical facts, such as Dershowitz and Pipes. Carter could not successfully face these brilliant and intellectual debaters -- THAT is why he refused to debate--to save face and avoid exposing his lack of honesty and scholarship in his own writings.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/ http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/reviews/carter.html By titling his book as he has, Jimmy Carter is not merely being provocative to sell books, he appears to be giving aid and comfort to the new anti-Semites whose goal since the 2001 UN World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance in Durban, South Africa, has been to link Israel to apartheid South Africa. Curiously enough, if you read through almost the entire book, which persistently accuses Israel of apartheid acts, you arrive at page 189, where he specifically contradicts the entire thesis by stating, “The driving purpose for the forced separation of the two peoples is unlike that in South Africa.” In fact, the only tangential support for the title of the book is an anonymous quotation from an Israeli lamenting the treatment of Palestinians. It is clear from the beginning, however, that facts are of little concern to Carter who sees Israel as “the tiny vortex around which swirl the winds of hatred, intolerance, and bloodshed.” It is certainly true that Israel is subject to these winds, the question is why he blames the victim. Why doesn’t he see the Islamist rejection of a Jewish presence in the region as the problem, or the unwillingness of the Palestinians to accept a two-state solution?

Carter wasn't up to the job of president then, and he is still proving it now.

Who are you loyal to? mecca perhaps. Why don't you keep out of our y-net and go back to reading "mein kampf"? carter was and is an idiot. He was a complete failure as president and history will remember him as that.