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Jesus is dead and buried in Jerusalem
Ariella Ringel-Hoffman
Published: 02.03.07, 08:29
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61. to #60
Arul ,   Malaysia   (03.03.07)
Dear Mr Tali, Baal did not fulfill the prophecies. Lord Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies to the letter. So read all the prophecies concerning Messiah
62. Reply to Michael - 48.
James ,   Glasgow, Scotland   (03.03.07)
Michael, The books of what we call the New Testament were written on the main by people who were his relatives, friends and followers. And, the Romanised Jewish historian Josephus recorded His death by crucifixion. Apart from all that many other writings not considered worthy of Scripture were affiliated to His life. Never in Hebrew history has so much been written about any other Jew even down to today.
63. Reply 2 to Michael - 48.
James ,   Glasgow   (03.03.07)
He is a Spirit upon whom no man may look and live. He is the “us” that created man and woman yet says of Himself, “ I am that I am.” He is the Lord that spoke to my lord according to King David and in whose very image we are made. So how does God in the singular become “us” in the plural? How does the Spirit who says “ I am that I am ” become something to be copied unless of course the thing copied already existed as part of the “us”? Indeed how did David know that one Lord spoke to his lord? Or, how did Moses see the back of God on the mount not as a Spirit but as a man? And how was it that Jacob could boast of having wrestled with God of whom no man may see and live unless it was the part that is “us”. The name “ I am that I am ” clearly indicates by the word “ that ” and not whom or who that there is more to this God than meets the eye and so there is. Truly one only has to believe. From your own Scriptures.
64. high fantasy
(03.03.07)
The guy has a very high standard of fantasy , he thought that in few days can change the history and what milliards of people believed , and even he creat a new stories like Jesus son Joseph , that Jesus had son from Maria Magdalena ... he wants to destroy the Christianity by some strange ideas , the question is ... is he Christian or Jew ?? if he is Jew so i can understand why he do this and if he is Christian so who leaded him to this place and gave him the idea and supported this film . he is a loser and has no chance and he will be punished by most of the world of course not in Israel , and his film will be forbiden and he will end in an old house till his day comes .
65. Let's read this
(03.03.07)
http://www.y-zine.com/yJesus.htm?gclid=CPaco_Cl2IoCFSLyXgodpScHyg
66. #65 GREAT STUFF!! GOOD READ!!
Rick ,   Open Range, USA   (03.03.07)
The best part of the article is "peer review". Why didn't they submit their findings to peer review? Thanks!
67. Reply to Tali - 60.
James ,   Glasgow, Scotland   (03.03.07)
Tali, The very first false religion was the Babylonian Mysteries of whom Ninus or Nimrod was the god. His story is based on the " seed " promised by God to Eve at the fall, this " seed " dying for His people. All other false religion stems from that albeit under different names around more exaggerated legends. The letter used for the word " seed " is zero or a perfect circle and can be seen for what it is and means in today's Roman Catholic Church. It is their wafer god just as it was Ninus's all those years ago and is found on many ancient carvings and statues. But the " seed " promised by God in Genesis is none other than the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ who by His coming to this planet fulfilled every prophecy ever made. He was not conceived rather took union with Mary's seed simply because He as God already existed. The reason He came was to be the sacrifice able to eraze sin from fallen man something that fallen man could never do and still can't. Salvation is the work of God alone completed at Calvary some two thousand years ago, never to be repeated. When Jesus asked the disciples who they thought he was, they replied, " You are the Christ, the Son of the living God," to which he said, " Man did not tell you this, but it came from God Himself." This is the key that others would take away from Him. The key to salvation that He is indeed as man the Son of God part of the " us " that created all things.
68. #54 Isaiah 53 is not Jesus
Josh   (03.03.07)
With all I stated you tell me to read something you have yet to read. Wish more people were respomsible for finding facts not excuses. I reccomend you read the whole book and stop taking things out of context to fit a religios claim that Jesus was the Messiah. He most certainly was not the subject of Isaiah 53! Isaiah 53:10 ...if his soul would acknoledge guit, he would see offspring and live long days and the desire of G-d (Hasem) would succeed in his hand.... So if Jesus was free from sin how could he acknowlege sin. If Jesus was sin free where was his offspring. If Jesus was free from sin why did he say "why have you forsaken me father" when he died at a age which would not be considered "long days". Clearly the prophecy of Moses from (Deut) Devareem is the precursor to what Issaih is speaking about which is the nation of Israel and the dispersion under the curses. Jesus is most likely Devarim 13 and the horse punisher and I would assume the great humilation that Moses prophecized is that people would worship their own beast and hold dear to their own punisher while they rebelled against G-d. The antichrist?
69. #61 - not one messiah prophecy
Josh   (03.03.07)
You claim is only true if you take the sentances out of context. I am sure if you honestly read the entiore passage and compare it to the idol you hold in you hand you will find a mismatch. You will also find that many of the proof prophecies werent even prophecies. Jesus gave test and to thiose who passed he sent them back to the law and to G-d. Those who failed he collected as a fisheran of men. Example of mismatch He shall be like Mosses...Jesus did miracles in sight of the spirit that was with himgiving him power. For Moses G-d was doing the miracles. Aaron touch the staff to the water. Moses delivered G-d's messages. Jesus was immaculately concieved. Moses died and stayed dead. Moses did not cast out demons or sit with publicans. Moses respected his family and even killed for the sake of protecting the Hebrews. Moses was not a G-d nor a sacrafice. Moses sinned Jesus was free from sin. He shall be among those returning from sin. Again Jesus was free from sin. He was from among Jews who went to temple. He shall unite Israel at a time when Israel is returning to the land. Jesus came at a time when people were being expelled. He came to burn up the chaff not collect to the land. He shall bring peace. Jesus said to the people he often refered to as fools, I have not come to bring peace. I don't need to remind anyone of the Garden od Eden story and the dangers of taking sentances apart and out of context of G-ds intended meaning. Oldest trick in the book. Try finding fullfillment of the curses and Devarim (Deut) 13. There is a match.
70. (53) My answer as a follower of Christ
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.03.07)
(Part one) Surprising, indeed your alleged monopoly on Jeshua and Hebrew ! We too have experts in Hebrew (A great number are Jewish). I'm sorry I personally cannot read Hebrew. I do not need any Hebrew (or Aramean) in my heart-to-heart with Jesus of Nazareth - not your "Greek man-god substitute" you created Jews inside the so-called "replacement" theology I reject. Jesus has come not to condemn the Law but to fulfill it. You have not yet comprehended the meaning of the word "Son". You are the son of your father, Jesus is that too and infinitely more. Paul (The Jewish convert Paul) said this : « But when the time had fully come, God sent his son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons (Galatians 4:5). » Even more surprising when you affirm that "it has been revealed to us, the rightful owners of Israel and Jehoshua." How many is "us" ? Do you know that about 95% of "rightful" Jews reject the NT and Jeshua (Jesus) ? "Is God the God of Jews only? Is HE not the God of gentiles too? Yes, of gentiles too. (Romans 3:29). I could cite Paul, a great, powerful, but humble follower of Jesus. Yave you studied the Jewish Paul ? and Aramean and Greek ? You seem to me as if you were a follower of Paqid 16. Read again Psalm 22 if you want to share the sufferings and the glory of the Saviour. May the Lord show us very soon who is His Jesus. Shalom Peace
71. TO #53-YOU ARE RUDE AND UGLY.
AVRAHAM ,   JERUSALEM   (03.03.07)
NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE THE SAME. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EU CHRISRIANS AND AMERICAN CHRISTIANS. AMERICANS CHRISTIANS BELIEVE AND LOVE THE GOD OF ISRAEL. THEY SUPPORT AND RISK THEIR LIVES FOR HIS NATION AND ACCORDING TO HALAHA IF A GENTILE DOES IT HE/SHE ARE ACCPTED TO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. JUST LIKE RUTH AND RAHAB. YOU CANT BRUSH ALL CHRISTIANS WITH THE SAME BRUSH. LET GOD BE THE JUDGE OF THE GENTILES.
72. (53)
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.03.07)
(Last) Read again Psalm 22 if you want to share the sufferings and the glory of the Saviour. I cite it here in extenso for those who have no Bible at close hand. « 1 For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? 2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. 3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. 4 In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. 5 They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. 7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 8 "He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him." 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. 10 From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God. 11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. 12 Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. 13 Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death. 16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. 18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing. 19 But you, O LORD, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me. 20 Deliver my life from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. 21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save me from the horns of the wild oxen. 22 I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! 24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. 25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows. 26 The poor will eat and be satisfied; they who seek the LORD will praise him--may your hearts live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, 28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations. 29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him--those who cannot keep themselves alive. 30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. 31 They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn--for he has done it. » Peace with you.
73. AVRAHAM, JERUSALEM
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.03.07)
Thank you in my name and in the name of all true Christians who love God and God's blessed people. God bless you !
74. #53
teen4yeshua   (03.03.07)
I have so much to say to you that I don't know were to begin. Let me start with these questions. Why would "goyim" want to follow a god who according to you only loves the Jewish people? Don't you know that we are all descended from Noah and that G-d promised a Messiah to ALL of Adam and Eve's offspring? Second I can read, write, and speak Hebrew. In fact I know Hebrew better than all of the other people who took a Hebrew class with me at my local JCC. These are just some ideas that you can think about. I wish you well and Chag Purim sameach!
75. Reply to 52.
James ,   Glasgow, Scotland   (03.03.07)
I am sorry I cannot name you as I don't understand your writing but I can say the Scriptures you follow are exactly the same as the Scriptures we call the Old Testament and that confirmed to me by a Rabbi. However the writings in our New Testament which open out or bring to light much shrouded by darkness in the Old Testament are not our words but words affiliated to Jews by Jews. So when you insult us you also insult your own people. But then that is no surprise since your forefathers did to the prophets what you are doing to those who started the Christian Church. Have you never wondered why only a remnant among you is ever saved?
76. Reply to Avraham - 71.
James ,   Glasgow, Scotland   (03.03.07)
Thank you for your kind words. May I say that Paul or Saul of Tarsus, probably the greatest expositor of Scripture, himself taught by the most learned Jewish teacher and God Himself, makes plain that not all called Jews are Jews. By that he meant that only the children of the promise are the real Israel of God. Further he says that those circumcised in the heart rather than the flesh, meaning Spirit as against religious tradition, are the children of God.
77. Jesus vs. Holocaust
Borat ,   USofA   (03.03.07)
Yet Fred Leuchter is smeared for taking a couple samples of brick from the holy site Auschwitz. He comes to the conclusion that the Holocaust probably didn't happen. Likewise, this archaeologist comes to the same conclusion that Christ probably didn't resurrect. What else does "these are bones of Christ" mean? Resurrection denial/Holocaust denial all in contrast to the many eye witnesses of both events.
78. YESHUA of Nazareth
J.SCHUMANN ,   VANC. CANADA   (03.03.07)
SHALOM; YESHUA is a stone of stumbling[ Isaiah 8.14, Romans 9.33, 1 Peter 2.8] and rock of offence to Israel.He warned Israel at his first visitation [Luke 19-24,],What would be the result of their rejection of the SON of DAVID and SON of GOD be. forshadowed in[Isaiah 11 ].Saul was chosen by YESHUA to be a witness to Israel and the gentiles [Acts 7-9,17] to show again mercy as they would be again go into in captivity,having chosen Ceasar to be their King .Jerusalem be destroyed with its temple layed to the ground Now again you have a final warning that will see this city again surrounded by all nations and 2/3 of its people will not escape the slaughter before their will humble themselves before the LORD ,the GOOD SHEPHARD of Israel YESHUA .[Psalm 22-24]comes again in power[ Psalm 2,Jer.30.7, Zec. 12-13,Matthew 24.22,Luke 19-24,Acts Rev. 11-19] to rule over the house of Israel ,from Jerusalem. He 's waiting for the cry from his people Israel ;come YESHUA , SON of David ;BLESSED SON of GOD YESHUA of Nazareth [Psalms 2,,118.26,Proverbs.30.1-6,Zechariah 12-14,Matthew 23.38-39,24-28] who died on the tree GOLGATHA ,also called on the mountains of Moriah [Gen.22.2,John 19-21]was buried and rose from the death [ Isaiah 52-53] on the third day [[Acts 1-9,according to SCRIPTURE[ Romans 1-11 ]bringing salvation promised to Abraham [Gen.12-17] and the KINGDOM to David and the lost sheep of the house of Israel who turn to YESHUA ,the LORD of GLORY[Acts .4.12 ] ,as it is written in WORD of GOD ,BIBLL ,from Genesis to Revelation < .BIBLEGATEWAY.COM >.I use the K.J.V.
79. Why should he be buried several km away from the city? (end)
Tobias   (03.03.07)
80. No. 61
Tali ,   London   (03.03.07)
Like No. 69 I agree that he did not fulfill any of the messianic prophesies which is why the early Christian fathers decided that they would have him return a second time. Having said that, I believe all Christians will finally realise the truth before the end of days and I don't mean that to be disrespectful.
81. #53 Marc it is in your face
Josh   (03.03.07)
Proverbs is not a prophecy and LORD is not a substitution for Jesus but rather for G-d's (the Father's)name. It is right in the first line which you bible thumping Jesus/self-serving mind won't acknowledge. You wote it; where is your reading comprehension ? "A psalm of DAVID. My G-d, my G-d, why have you forsaken ME? (sound familiar) Why are you so far from saving ME, so far from the words of MY groaning?" Thus if you want to understand the text you need to understand who David is speaking about. Here is a hint ***HIMSELF****. Glad I could help you clear this up. Psalms is NOT, I repeat to all, NOT a prophecy. Thus you should not include it in your delusion excuses for breaking the first commandment-One G-d. There is not a single messiah prophecy that matches Jesus. Not one. Stop ignoring things that are so blatantly clear. If Bill Clinton writes a diary with prayers to G-d and my life has some similarities to his (shared complaints), does that mean that Bill Clinton is a prophet and I can claim he was writing about me? Re-read this: "A psalm of DAVID. My G-d, my G-d, why have you forsaken ME? Why are you so far from saving ME, so far from the words of MY groaning?"
82. Josh (+81)
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.04.07)
Why do YOU not respect Shabbat ? Is it because you are an Apostate (Ex-Christian converted to Judaism) according to my faith. Sunday is my day of rest and religious worship as a Christian. Why are you violating this commandment of God ? It should be a divine rule in your eyes. Make Shabbat or be prepared to make it instead of writing messages full of mistakes and hate.
83. the god of sunworship
שילוה ,   ירושלים, ישראל   (03.04.07)
Shabbat, in the Torah that the historical Jew, Yehoshua used, has been and alway's will be Saturday. It's part of the 10 Commandments. Not sunday used by the pagans in the cult of mithra. The vatican has a sun-dial as the centerpiece (look at an ariel photo). They, along with the majority of xtians worship the sungod mithra celebrating sunday as the day of rest. The G-d of Israel gave Saturday rest. In the end, not matter how much xtians cry and whine, their house is built on sand and has been judged. It is being unraveled right before our eyes. Finally after 2000 years Esav has been knocked of the Jacob's ladder. For those xtians that don't know the story, when all the angels where ascending and descending Jacobs ladder, only Esav did not descend. Finally as of Feb 5 2002, Esav was judged and knocked off the ladder. Again, since xtians know nothing of our teachings, they will not understand why it happened and by who was involved. Your time has run out.
84. Josh
Marilyn ,   USA   (03.04.07)
Jesus is identifying with the collective suffering of mankind.
85.  JESUS IS DEAD !
RCA ,   USA   (03.04.07)
Dead a long long time too . Though he was quite a Jew !
86. # Marc and Marilyn
Josh   (03.04.07)
Marc - are you mad because I pointed out your foolish misquote? It stinks to be proven wrong on something so obvious - so you change the subject to Shabbat to avoid dealing with your error. You should post an apology for such an error. What does the Torah say about Shabbat: Six days you shall work and on the seventh you shall rest. So what is the seventh day? Is it the first day of the week Sunday? No it is not. Secondly where is talking about Torah forbidden on Shabbat? Saving the souls from misguided attempts to give them a new man-god despite the fact that you know the first commandment. The Rabbis may say using electricity is fire. Is it? And does the Torah not say "alien fire"? What is alien? Electricity? Where is the wisdom? Next the Rabbis say that writing is forbidden as it is work? If you think it is work to communicate in a different manner than speaking - then why is speaking not also forbidden. The Torah does not mention Rabbis and they are not Prophets and they are as I see it, not teaching Torah to their students but Mishana and other added books that take Torah out of context, so why should I fear them (as the saying goes). Marylyn - you cannot dodge the obvious misquote with general sweeping statements. If you were buying a car would you allow the salesman to making a sweeping statement that counterdicts the contract and charges you more? You cannot risk the souls to a lesser degree than you pocketbook. The snake in the garden wasn't all that tricky. Just took things out of context. David is speaking about himself, Jesus wasn't born. Israel was the first to pay with their blood for their sins-that is what the curses are about. Blood is life (so the Torah states) - choose life or choose death.
87. Josh, the incarnate love.
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.04.07)
Who is Marc ? I am Marcel Abel, you like or not ! In past months I pointed to your errors. I will not start again. My messages have been registered, yours too. You have first to make apologies to Jesus for apostasy and repent. I was baptized in water and in spirit, you only in water I guess ? You think you can break what has been tied ? Not only 10 commandments, but over 600 x (I have not the Jewish word for them). "I am the way, the truth and the life". My choice has been made over 50 years. Your output is bad job in matters of doctrine and values. You need Rabbis (I fully respect them), I need Jesus you blasphemously speak of all the time, Jesus our Jewish "Rabbi", our Saviour, you keep crying out He be an idol. (sic) I do not side with Satan who is roaring like a lion around us and pushing some of us to be more godless than ever. Sometimes I prefer dealing with secular people or even atheists than with your like who research the Living among bones. Christians follow the living God revealed to us once and ever. Amen.
88. AVRAHAM OF JERSALEM!
Rick ,   Open Range, USA   (03.04.07)
Thank you for all your kind words. If G-d ever grants me the resources, and time, to learn the Torah in Hebrew, I want it to be from a man like you!
89. Witnessed by JEWS, never goyim
שילוה ,   ירושלים ,ישראל   (03.04.07)
If the historical Jew walked out of the grave, as many people did not die on the cross as documented by historians, and died a natural death as result from his injuries and then was buried in a natural way as did happen, as witnessed by ONLY Jews, since when did the goyim take him, change him into a man-god, kill many Jews for not accepting the lie, and then criticise anyone who uncovers the great deception. Again you follow mithraism, thus support the anti-christ. Give it up Esav, it's over. What's funny, you cannot even read my name but are experts of our guy. Maybe you are experts of the roman counterfeit. That is logical now.
90. (83) a genuine pagan myth
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.04.07)
Justin Martyr, in a discussion with the Jewish apologist Trypho, wrote: "'And when those who record the mysteries of Mithras say that he was begotten of a rock, and call the place where those who believe in him are initiated a cave, do I not perceive here that the utterance of Daniel, that a stone without hands was cut out of a great mountain, has been imitated by them, and that they have attempted likewise to imitate the whole of Isaiah's words? For they contrived that the words of righteousness be quoted also by them. . . And when I hear, Trypho,' said I, 'that Perseus was begotten of a virgin, I understand that the deceiving serpent counterfeited also this.'" (Dialogue with Trypho, LXXVIII). Tertullian gives a similar account. (83) Your idol assimilated to Helios has no possible connection with I AM WHO I AM sent I AM. We know your teachings, don't be so arrogant. For Christians (please not xtians, don't be so rude) Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. The phrase, "Lamb of God," appears only twice in the New Testament, each time as a title bestowed upon Jesus by John the Baptist. In John 1:29; "The next day he (John the Baptist) saw Jesus coming toward him and said, 'Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.'" A lamb in the Old Testament was used as a sin or peace offering. In the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, lambs are used as sacrifices to cleanse the people of sin and to keep peace in the land. There were two lambs sacrificed every day by the priests, one in the morning, and one in the evening, as an oblation to the Lord. A lamb was used in each Jewish household in Egypt during the tenth plague, and its blood was smeared on the doorposts, so the Lord would "Passover" that house during the plague. When John the Baptist saw Jesus, he knew Jesus was the new sacrificial Lamb. Jesus would offer Himself as a sacrifice to end all sacrifices. Jesus would take on all our sins once and for all and allow Himself to be crucified. There is no more need for animal sacrifices, it is done, we are hereby forgiven of sin by the one final sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus was God's Lamb. Amen
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