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Bishops equate Israel's actions to Holocaust
Eldad Beck
Published: 06.03.07, 10:24
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61. @49 And your comment is "good for the Jews"?
What?   (03.06.07)
Think twice
62. That must be joke we?Nazis?come on it's not even the same
Michal 16 years old ,   girl from Israel.   (03.06.07)
what that happened there is soooooo far away of what happened in the holocoust,ignore man that should be ashamed.
63.  RATLINE!
Logic ,   Israel   (03.06.07)
64. To # 12
Chana ,   USA   (03.06.07)
You I am sure have NEVER been to Israel or in a bomb on a bus or a cafe bombing. Israel protects it citizens. But what can I say to a British citizen who country has been taken over by the Muslims. YOU will find out soon what they are all about.. Also a German is a German and nothing will change in there hate for Jews.
65. DOES BISHOP WANTS SAME PAYOFF THAT HITLER GAVE POPE WW11
..............DACON9   (03.06.07)
66. Kate's anti-Semetic world
Jesse ,   Jerusalem   (03.06.07)
Maybe the world doesn't hate Jews. Mabye it's just tired of seeing Israel act the way it does. The only way to find out, of course, is if Israel were to end the Occupation. Terrorism is terrorism. Palestinians deserve as much blame as any group that uses such tactics. But until Israel ends the Occupation, Palestinian terror will always be seen by the world as a reaction to having to live your life under the boot of the Israeli army. It should worry people less if comparisons to Apartheid were being made by Syrians or Iranians. But when those comparisons are made by South Africans who expereinced the real deal, I worry. Do you really think that South Africans are anti-Semetic? Has anyone pointed out that this article's title " 'Israel Acting like Nazis' " is incredibly shoddy journalism. No one is quoted in the article saying these words. Not one German quoted suggested that Israelis wish to exterminate Palestinians. Instead, you have comparisons to the Berlin Wall (which if my memory serves me correct, was not a Nazi project). YNET should curb such hysterical headline writing.
67. DONT UNDERSTAND **YNETS CRITERIA..
YNET CONFUSES ME ,   ..............DACON9   (03.06.07)
WHEN I ANSWER THE XTIANS DISTORTIONS OF ISAIAH 53 AND OTHER LIES AND DECEPTIVE MISLEADING INTERPRETATIONS OF HEBREW SCRIPTURE..... YNET DOESNT POST ME . BUT WHEN I MAKE SARCASTIC LINES LIKE ABOVE...#56 & 57....... THE POST ME... I WISH YNET WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE SAME CENSOR EDITOR
68. #66, ISRAEL WANTS BACK JORDAN, THAT BRITS TOOK AWAY
RETURN JORDAN TO ,   ISRAEL........DACON9   (03.06.07)
69. just another example that times are changing
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (03.06.07)
I hope that all in Israel see the true extent of what is transpiring here and clearly appreciate the depth, progression and scope of Global sociological changes and what is at stake as conflict continues. Changes in the global economy coupled with the inevitable incorporation of academic progress to the traditional "have-nots" has led to an extremely perilous situation for Yisroel. The mute reception if James Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici's recent documentary is just a recent example in a long list of examples pointing to my conclusion. This whole issue is about power, pride, greed, prestige and the utter abhorrence of anything Semitic in origin. Due to the geographic proximity caused by the American Global War on Terror an unavoidable interaction between two vast and culturally opposing groups is taking place. Look at this way, one side for the last ten years has been coalescing unifying and normalizing relations while the other has been embroiled in complex regional struggle for dominance. One side maintains residence primarily in a vast swath of very traversable equatorial low lands while the other inhabits more complex mountainous, forested, industrial and urban areas. I dont mean to sound like a Shotei Hanevua but, there is cause for some alarm. Openly and without reservation (in America) very influential people discuss the need "get the 51st Sate (Israel) under control, many openly profess repugnant platitudes with regard to Judaisms myriad of difference particularly the Talmud. I don't think I need to even point out the ignorance and bigotry expressed in regard to the tenets of Islam by America in particular. In Europe antisemitism is clearly on the rise while the large population of the Muslim electorate there continues to wield greater political influence. Benjamin Disraeli PM GB said it best "900 years of Christian Love has made the Jewish people a bit nervous" Now I sense an overwhelming desire by numerous entities in "Western Civilization" to bring order to an area they view as generally uncivilized and a shift in those they find culpable for this perceived barbarity and "non-Christian" behavior. In short this whole thing is about preservation of culture and if prudent action isn't taken soon I am afraid autonomy and cultural identity is what might be lost for good. Truth, fairness and accuracy are the last things anyone is concerned about here and now. Soon hopefully, a cause will manifest serving to neutralize the more aggressive elements that currently hold the publics attention and serve in positions of authority. Basically I hope a catalyst will form to cause a general desire and interest in peace to prevail over cause and desire for conflict.
70. Arrogant&ignorant
Caroline ,   London   (03.06.07)
Overbloated, arrogant,corrup and sad is what these people are.I can say that as a former catholic.who takes these people serioously.Stay in Germany and sort out your own issues you time wasters.in the name of god-yeah right.
71. Not your life
Caroline ,   London   (03.06.07)
Don't be so bloomin arrogant. I live in London and I go to israel frequently and let me tell you, I am happy for the wall. I am happy that myself, my firends and my colleagues can sit in coffee shops and breath easier .I am glad that I can walk into Dizengoff and feel safer. You are so way out with your commments it's almost laughable.Perhaps read teh histroy of the last few years and the ability of the PA to stamp on any form of peace.read the books where they teach hate.Perhaps if teh tube blows up a few more times you will not be so stupid.
72. Bishops should stick to solving gay problems in their church
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (03.06.07)
73. Complicit in, or ignorant of, the Holocaust.
Doug ,   UK   (03.06.07)
There is either a disturbing ignorance on behalf of the Catholic Bishops in relation to the actions of the Nazis or either they are complicit with those who would destroy the Jews and their state - in other words the very people responsible for the condition in the Palestinian Authority who have sworn to eradicate the Jews from their Biblical homeland. These being the very Palestinian Arab leaders who have sworn to finish what the Nazis started and who are prepared to see their own people suffer in order to use them as political pawns and propaganda against the Jewish state. The Palestinian Arab leaders being only too aware that you can further your agenda far more successfully through the political goals of self-determination than with declarations of intended genocide. (Palestinian self-determination subsequently playing the same role for Arab aggression as Sudeten self-determination did for German aggression.) Clearly a ready audience has been found among these German Catholic Bishops, who as "professing Christians" are also strangely ignorant of the Biblical teachings about the land actually being promised to the Jews. Again any reference to the security barrier being unnecessary if Palestinian terrorists would cease trying to murder innocent Jews is conspicuous by it's absence in their comments. Those who have studied the Holocaust & the persecutions/pogroms of the Jews throughout history will not need to delve very deeply to discover that the seeds of the enmity being seen in such comments from these Bishops originate from the same foundation as that of the historic, malevolent & virulent loathing of yesteryear. Sadly this cloaked anti-Semitism is not isolated amongst the Germans. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/121758 PA Textbooks Incite Hatred ............ www.whosepromisedland.co.uk
74. Bastards!
TOMAS ,   TEL AVIV, ISRAEL   (03.06.07)
THERE IS NO RESEMBLENCE WITH ISRAEL TO NAZI GERMANY! NONE. PERIOD. IN FACT IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE YOU ANITSEMITIC BASTARDS. YOU WERE, THE VATICAN, WHO LET THE NAZIS ESCAPED EUROPE, WITH VATICAN PASSPORTS! DON´T GIVE THE THIS CRAP, YOU HIPOCRYTES. YOU HAVE LEARN NOTHING. PATHETIC. YOU CATHOLICS CAN´T STAND THE FACT THE JESUS WAS JEWISH, RIGHT?? AND ALL HIS GROUP WAS JEWISH, RIGHT? I BELIEVE THAT´S THE REASON FOR YOUR ANTISEMITIC VIEWS OF CENTURYS AND CENTURYS, AND NOW YOU DARE TO COMPARE THE SINGLE JEWISH STATE IN THE WORLD, WITH NAZI GERMANY,WHICH KILLED 6 MILLION JEWS, UNDER YOUR VERY EYES AND GREEN LIGHT!, BUT ALSO LED TO A WAR WHICH KILLED 50 MILLION PEOPLE! PATHETHIC LONG LIVE ISRAEL SO MUCH FOR buiilding bridges... you have learned nothing from John Paul II... Right.. Pio XII... and Benedict.. I see....
75. Bishops equate Israel's actions to Holocaust
Thomas Szyszkiewicz ,   Peterson, Minn, USA   (03.06.07)
The story by Eldad Beck deliberately distorted the truth in order to place anti-Semitic suspicion on Pope Benedict XVI. Clearly you are unhappy (to say the least) with the German Bishops' remarks. However, to somehow or other try to connect those remarks to the present Pope is a case of a deliberate smear. Mr. Beck seems to think the comments of Bishop Walter Mixa of Augsburg most offensive. It is these comments that he has tried to place on Pope Benedict in the hopes of smearing him -- and for some reason his brother, Msgr. Georg Ratzinger. However, it won't work. The Diocese of Augsburg was never under Cardinal Ratzinger's spiritual leadership. That leadership belongs solely to the Bishop of Augsburg, which Cardinal Ratzinger never was. It is true that the Diocese of Augsburg is a suffragan of the Archdiocese of Munich-Freising, of which Cardinal Ratzinger had been bishop. But that means very little in practical, day-to-day terms. The archbishop of any archdiocese does not interfere in the running of his suffragan dioceses unless it is absolutely necessary, and usually only at the order of the Pope. Besides, Cardinal Ratzinger left his post in Munich in 1981 -- 26 years ago -- to go to Rome. This very poor attempt to somehow or other raise questions about the Holy Father's respect for Jews is facile and asinine on its face. Surely most of your readers don't know these facts about the inner workings of the Church. However, you should know that there are going to be readers around the world who do and who are going to call you on any attempts to unjustly link Pope Benedict to what you perceive as anti-Semitism.
76. Germany is the worst country on earth
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77. WICKED GERMAN BISHOPS
Mitch ,   Boca Raton USA   (03.06.07)
These are the Bishops who descend from the same Bishops who did nothing while the Jews of Europe were massacred. These Bishops forget one thing- the Jews did not try to kill the Germans. The Palestinians try to kill the Jews and have deployed tactics that only Nazis would be proud of. How ironic!
78. Revisionists
Jayzee ,   World Citizen   (03.06.07)
We have heard this whine ad nauseum: "The only way to find out, if the world is anti semitic, would be for Israel to end the Occupation. The only way to see if the comparisons between appartheid SA and Israel are correct is for Israel to end the occupation. The world isn't anti semitic, just anti Israel (because of its policies)." What a neat little revisionist world these dolts live in. Remember, anti Israeli sentiment and anti semitism PRECEEDED "occupation" of the W Bank and Gaza and Golan-yet the same sentiments were expressed pre '67. Israeli's "problem" is that it exists and anything uniquely Jewish in an anti semitic world will be attacked.
79. The situation is exactly like the Holocaust
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (03.06.07)
During the European Holocaust, Hitler removed 10,000 Germans from their homes in the Rhineland, giving their orchards and greenhouses to the Jews, which were promptly destroyed. The Jews also attacked German kindergartens, beerhauser, restaurants, trains and streetcars, as the rabbis in synagogues throughout Europe relentlessly preached 72 Aryan virgins for each German killed. The Jews captured 3 Wehrmacht soldiers, holding them hostage for the release of 10,000 Jewish criminals in German jails. DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THIS "HISTORY"? NO, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT HISTORY, IT IS DELUSIONAL FANTASY!!!
80. WE ALL KNOW GERMANS ARE EXPERTS WHEN IT COMES TO HOLOCAUSTS
DAVID ,   USA   (03.06.07)
81. #12 - You are absolutely wrong on the facts
Peter ,   Toronto Canada   (03.06.07)
While I do not deny that there are silly comments here finding fault simply because they are German, I also think the Bishops are way off base, as are you. I will show you using two examples: The Bishops claim: 1. "Israel has, of course, the right to exist, but this right cannot be realized in such a brutal manner," said Bishop Hanke" So please Mr. Hanke, please tell us how you would "exist" in an atmosphere such as this. No country in the world has had to live with such an existential threat on its borders for so long. I will tell yo uhow Germany would have dealt with it, and would still today. They would slaughter the Palestinians wholesale and rid themselves of the problem. Israel pays a penalty for trying to coexist here. 2. You claim the checkpoint sto treat people like animals. I cannot dispute that. However, suicide bombing is more inhumane and even beneath "animals". So if Palestinians have to be treated like animals sometimes due entirely to their own actions, in order to prevent Israelis from feeling like dead animals in a bombed out Pizzeria, so be it. 3. You claim the wall to be redundant. Now you are British so I will assume fluent in English. redundant as you should know since you chose to use the word means that it is "more that is neccessary". However, the wall is anything but that. IN fact, no action of the Israeli government has been more effective in reducing the number of suicide bombers reaching Israel than the wall itself. The facts on this speak for themselves. Does the wall need to follow the exact route it does? Possibly debatable. But the wall IS NOT redundant in the least. Get your facts straight.
82. Bishops fail to see Palestinian areas are "Judenrein".
Jane ,   Gwent, UK   (03.06.07)
If they had eyes to see they would realise that Israel is isolated amongst a sea of 22 Arab nations which constitute 99.5% of the Middle East and also the largest land mass of any any ethnic group on the planet. Virtually all of these Arab nations are hostile to the very existence of the Jewish state and are technically still at war with Israel and sworn to destroy her. Israel covers only 0.5% of the Middle East and has had most of the Jewish population ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Arab world. Indeed, if they opened their eyes they would see that the areas under Palestinian autonomy are also "Judenrein". Being German they would know that these means "cleansed of Jews". The thunderous silence of the Bishops, and this publication, to these fundamental issues speaks volumes. It equates with the thunderous silence of the Catholic Church to the Jewish ghettoes in Europe when Jews were being transported to gas chambers from such locations.
83. Not Anti semetic
Peter ,   Toronto Canada   (03.06.07)
I actually believe the Bishops are not being anti semetic. However I do believe they are victims of their own guilt and the fact that Arabs have been trying to prey upon that guilt for some time. For the last 20 years Palestinians have been trying to use the language of the holocaust against the Jews. To claim that they were suffering a holocaust at the hands of Jews. That Zionism is equal to nazism. that the refugee camps are no different than the death camps. It is a tactic. It is intended to prey upon the guilt most Europeans feel about the Holocaust. If they are successful in portraying this imagery they are able to take the facts off the table. To refer only to emotionalism. Forget that instead of 6 million dead in 8 years, their population has a growth rate over 25% in the last 50 years. forget that not only is noone conducting medical experiments on them, many seek treatment for disease in Jewish hospitals in Israel. Forget that they have rejected offers of peace, where Jews were offered none. Forget that they have waged war against Israel no fewer that 3 times. the Facts could not be less analogous but if you can portray it as analaogous, the facts have a way of being irrelevant. It is no wonder that the Bishops leave Yad Vashem which must have left them riddled with shame and guild and a shaken faith, and then when they see suffering, they react emotionally. They would in my estimation be easy prey for the Palestinian image makers.
84. We in Israel need to look at ourselves in the mirror
Ariel ,   Tel aviv   (03.06.07)
Everyone is telling us we are like the Nazis, like the Apartheid but we keep on moving in building walls, confiscating lands, shooting and killing people, stealing water and creating one of the worse occupation. We need to wake up and start changing the way we do things so we can achieve in peace and finally be accepted in this region. Ariel
85. saintly bishops
noson tzvi ,   jerusalem   (03.06.07)
It is obvious that these saints don;t know the difference between cursed is Haman and blessed is Mordecai. Obviously they drink too much and think that every day is Purim.
86. german bishops
hans ,   stuttgart germany   (03.06.07)
after visiting yad wa shem they went generous to give the jewish state the right to exist ,but please not to much.showing ther true faces. shame on them
87. Fences save lives. Hamas wants to Kill Jews. REad Charter
David ,   Boston, USA   (03.06.07)
Who is it that is behaving like Nazis? Have any of you ever read the Hamas charter? It lies about history. It says to kill Jews. Personally, I think fences are the most humane thing possible to keep out suicide bombers who cause death and destruction for Jews and arabs alike. Only an animal or racist would prefer suicide bombers to fences. Remember, it is the Arab terrorists that created the fences. They havent ended their terror so why should the fences come down. They protect people on both sides. The only way to have peace is for the Arabs to stop struggling against it. Israel is eternal. Our enemies are not. It would be good for the Arabs to learn this. No enemy of Israel has EVER survived over the millenia.
88. simply outrageous, but not surprising
yonatan ,   tel aviv   (03.06.07)
the old germany is alive and well.
89. Holocaust
israeli ,   israel   (03.06.07)
I thought Holocaust was not about ghettos, but rather about exterminating (mass murder) several minorities, first and foremost Jews, Gypsies, then Slaves and probably others. The grievance was not the ghettos, but their purpose - rounding up Jews and sending them to EXTERMINATION camps, where they were gassed and burned. Let us not forget that the Nazis made felt boots out of our grandparents' hair, soap from their body fat and pulled out their gold teeth. When did the Jews locked up in ghettos receive zillions of dollars in aid? When did the Jews call for the annihilation of Germany, Poland, Italy, Greece, Holand, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, or any other of the countries where they had been living for centuries? Did they carry out suicide attacks against anyone? Were they shooting Qassam rockets at anybody? Were they threatening the world with jihad? Let me rephrase - were they terrorists? These bishops had too much wine at mass and are probably drunk. They should be called to order and made to retract their rantings and apologize. They should also be screened for possible cooperation with the Nazis, I am sure some of them are old enough to have been part of the Nazi murder machine. The State of Israel should lodge a formal complaint with the Vatican without delay and complain in the strongest possible manner. This is intolerable. After all the number of Palestinians is only on the increase. At the end of WWII, after 6 years, 6 million Jews had been murdered, and Europe was practically Judenrein. The purpose of the Berlin wall was to keep Eastern Europeans from escaping to the West. After WWII, tens of millions of Europeans (including Jews) were confined to a huge ghetto of Soviet dictatorship, poverty, travel restrictions, cultural isolation, etc. Where was the Catholic Church then? Did they complain about those conditions that were not even fit for animals? Did they ever walk into a Romanian orphanage or into a Russian psychiatric institution to see what was being done to "undesirables"? I call on the State of Israel and the Chief Rabbinate to speak out NOW!
90. german nazi bishops
chaim grosz ,   bergen belz survivor   (03.06.07)
In reading the bishops intent to include into heir easter sermon, their condemnation of the way the Islamic murderous chose to exist and blame the Jews for killers choice tells me 2 things, One I am extremely gratified that the Nazi induced hatred against is still fermenting in a most appropriate setting namely in the Catholic Churches, second for many centuries Jews in an effort of self protection were forbidden to study during the Christian holidays due to the viperous hate filled sermons spewed out by the clergy of the church and edging on their congregants to commit any atrocities against the Jewish people, it was known as a “Progrom” and sanctioned by the Christian governing leadership. This should hopefully wake up the deluded Israeli leadership not to extend any helpful assistance or even any encouragement for proven Jewish haters, if they wish to come and visit their so called “Holy Places” let them come but not at the invitation of any governmental official but as any private individual, they never were and never will be a true friend to any Jewish community
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